Boruto never stood a chance against Shikadai without cheating.
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The Demon Hawk
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What makes you think Momoshiki "couldn't" sense the Rasengan? Of course he could, he just probably wasn't in sensing mode then.
Yeah Shikadai would have won. In the novel Shikadai had enough energy to control Boruto's clones, the 4 clones that Boruto was capable of. Boruto at that moment was caught with Shikadai's shadows so he would have lost. Cheating was the only way he could win that fight. It would have been cool to see the countermeasures Shikadai had thought of for the rasengan.
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In the novel versions sure if you were going on the scenario that Boruto only uses the shadow clone jutsu.
But the Boruto now? Hell, even the Boruto in the Chunin Exams with no intel on Shikidai's expanded would of ended in at least a stalemate or Boruto destroying, I'll have to talk with Kid who seemed to agree that Boruto would wreck afterwards but anyway...
In the fight itself, Boruto only used the shadow clone jutsu. That's all. Now I'll wait for your response, but please tell me how Boruto loses to Shikidai when:
> He has a full version Rasengan
> Elemental Rasengan that vanishes, which Shikidai has no intel on (which couldn't be sensed)
> Advanced Shuriken Jutsu taught by Sasuke which curves for accuracy and he knows how to ricochet them off of each other to hit blindspots
> Three elemental natures; Fuuton, Raiton and Suiton
> Boruto was capable of replicating the feat Naruto and Sasuke used to bring down Zabuza for a moment to save Kakashi, with the transformation jutsu.
So many possibilities does this boy have fight against Shikidai .... yet the only thing Kishimoto wrote on the board was him using the shadow clone jutsu. How much of a joke is that :lol
Well if you consider the novel versions, that may be true.
Boruto definitely would lose to Shikidai again if all he uses is the shadow clone jutsu, but restrictions are restrictions. I think outside of Boruto, no one really has a chance against Shikidai. Especially since everyone else fights at close range.
Honestly don't know what this kid has to do to be seen as a legitimate threat when:
>He has three chakra natures already, at freaking 13. Who does that? Most Jonin Rank shinobi have two chakra natures at best, with the bar being Hokage's. Boruto was capable of using these elemental natures and the Kage Bunshin without being taught.
>He is capable of applying an elemental nature to his Rasengan without shadow clones which was stated to be impossible to do, the only reason why Naruto bypassed that was because he was given RIkudou chakra. Boruto on the other hand is just doing this impossible feature.
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I'm confused on what he lacks compared to the other prodigies?
> He cheated? Okay? After watching the movie you'll see how ridiculous it is story wise because it adds layers onto his character. Without going into it, every fight bar Shikidai he could of done what he did without the device. The little shit even cheated with his shuriken despite Sasuke teaching him how to do it and him showcasing that he knew how to do it like a pro.
>He's doing things without being taught, and he created his own jutsu WITHOUT BEING TAUGHT. He literally made an S Rank technique without help or guidance, according to Kakashi via Rasen-shuriken training.
And yet he still isn't a Prodigy, or he isn't one after the movie spoilers :lol
Well screw that man. I don't see what he lost except that lightning technique. Considering that it was stated an elemental nature Rasengan was more difficult than Chidori which is why Kakashi created it, Boruto can easily pull it off. Especially so since he has the chakra nature for it.
Tell me who showed this level of potential thus far at his age?
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-Never said he wasn't a threat
-Never said he didn't have talent
I said he didn't live up to the over-wanking his bandwagon engaged in prior to the movie's release, and that's a fact. His bandwagon overwanked the shit out of him whilst downplaying everyone else when the truth is Sarada and Shikidai give him a run for his money.
Honestly, overwank of any character doesn't sit too well with me, and Boruto had a three month long wank fest before the movie was released and his bandwagon disperesed.
I don't really know what the bandwagon said, I don't care for it either.
I agree totally, over-wanking and hype is not a good mixture because you can be tricked on the get-go real quick. I think honestly the only character that gives him a run for his money is Shikidai.
Shikidai and Boruto seem to take care of Sarada in my opinion. In Shikidai's case he was capable of holding at least five clones including Boruto (or Four clones including Boruto), I don't really see how anyone else can break out of that. He would be capable of trapping her and ending the match, but I'm only talking about theoretical in the Chunin Exams. I'm not sure what Shikidai's moveset entitles when he has his opponent trapped, they will have to end it sometime but in a real fight ... what would happen?
In Boruto's case, he has a wide variety. Neither Bolt, Shikidai or Sarada have speed feats that are enough for the other to blitz. In fact I would say they are all average at best, the only one with legit reaction feats is Sarada with her Sharingan. Shikidai and Boruto had enough feats with their moving around back and forth to easily put them on the same scale as average.
Since neither Shikidai or Sarada have intel on Boruto's Rasengan, the match would go in his favor but we talked about this match up with intel as it would be pretty good. In Sarada's case she has to hit the opponent to win, and Boruto has too much firepower.
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I think you're underestimating Shikadai a bit. Boruto has a lot of strong techniques but Shikadai is a genius. I'll use the example of Shikamaru and Hidan here. Hidan had some of the most badass techniques in Naruto but Shikamaru was able to outsmart him and win. I'm not saying Boruto is dumb but I don't think having more techniques instantly means defeat for Shikadai. It's not always about who has the strongest techniques. It's about who is able to use their techniques the most effectively.
In the Chuunin Exams I say Boruto would have lost because he didn't have the foresight to use his techniques wisely. Yeah we can blame it on Kishi for not letting Boruto use his other skills (although I wonder how much of the fight was shown? Did the movie show the whole fight from the start or just part of it) but Boruto cheated because he had no other choice. In the novel it makes that clear that Boruto saw no other option of winning. He was caught and could only move enough to activate his cheating device but I guess we'll never know for sure in the movie. Of course afterwards he realizes how important it is to work hard/believe in himself etc. But he had not reached that point in the Exams so yeah he would have lost.
And as for after the Chuunin Exams? Boruto will definitely use his rasengan but again Shikadai is impressive. Using the Hidan vs Shikamaru example again. Shikamaru lost to Hidan in their first fight but in their second he learned enough about Hidan to plan a victory. Couldn't we assume Shikadai would do the same? Surely at some point Shikadai would have learned of the invisible rasengan that had defeated momoshik and kinshiki and would use that knowledge to form a defense against it. I'd say a stalemate might have occurred and then later on after Boruto gets more chakra and training he'd win.
Here's the thing. The new generation as a whole is much stronger than the previous. I think it's fair to say that Boruto would have gotten some competition from his friends. He would most likely be the main character after all if Kishi continued the series. What fun is there in seeing a main character win effortlessly? Especially since Boruto has now overcome his major flaws.
Well I'm not sure if you are talking about intelligence or skill right now. At best, I would definitely say Shikidai is smarter than Boruto, having inheriting his father's keen intellect. Though it wasn't specific whether Shikidai inherited his Genius IQ, I would definitely estimate he is somewhere around there, if not extremely above average. Boruto's Zai No Sho Page listed him as "smart"
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So yeah, he definitely isn't his father in that area. Of course not, but the large part of Shikidai's victory was having a technique that Boruto didn't have intel on. That's the real question here, since Boruto is now the one with the upper-hand with his Rasengan, Vanishing Rasengan, and Shuriken Jutsu. Boruto and Shikidai are quite good friends, and I wouldn't be surprised if Shikidai knew and had counters for Boruto's elemental natures, and his shadow clone jutsu. But as far as the novel goes there is no insight of Shikidai having planned for Boruto's Rasengan, and definitely not his elemental nature version since it was only used once prior to the Dimensional Battle.
I agree though - But I'm not pointing out the flaws of Chunin Exam Boruto, but I'm merely expressing the distaste of him loosing but not using what he can. The movie showed the whole fight, it was around ... maybe fifty seconds at best. It largely involved Taijutsu, shadow clones, and the Shadow Possesion jutsu. It consisted of intelligence feats on both sides, and strategy. Personally the fight was pretty bland due to the fact that it seemed as if Shikidai was the only one with an ace-in-the-hole here. But if we look back, Boruto never realized that his Rasengan was special because he ran off when Sasuke made a comment about the size of his Rasengan (he thought he was mocking him so he decided that hard-work really didn't pay off, and which is why Katasuke used this and his situation with Naruto to pull him towards the device). It's not just the Vanishing Rasengan though, outside of the elemental natures, I feel like he had more to offer to challenge Shikidai. In every match Boruto fought he used one ability that was stated he had:
I. First match he used the clones, when they created x2 the amount he could make (3 brothers against 1 Boruto) he relied on the device to use the techniques sealed in the scroll; Suiton and Raiton.
II. He used the device to curve his Shuriken normally, despite being capable of doing this and even more (After learning how to do that Sasuke taught him more advanced weapon control)
The only fight where he was clearly outclassed was Shikidai's because he definitely couldn't create that number of Shadow Clones with his pool alone. But you see what I mean? It's not a true representation of his skill if you only use a technique that doesn't offer anything strategic wise. Naruto would be the only capable of winning here so he would outnumber Shikidai causing him to lose, but Boruto's shadow clone limit is ... limited. When the opponent can restrict your movements by coming in close, and Boruto wasn't even allowed to use anything but the clones, it just seems unruly.
Thing is, the Shikamaru and Hidan example only goes so far here because Shikamaru actually had intel on Hidan and constructed a plan to defeat him beforehand. In this case, Boruto didn't really use anything that Shikidai wasn't aware of until he cheated. Though looking back at it since Shikidai won by using something Boruto didn't know he had, how do you think the fight would of happened with Boruto vs Shikidai with shadow clones and normal shadow possession jutsu?
I disagree, I think Sarada would make for a better Main Character than Boruto. Here's the thing, Boruto is Naruto' son, he definitely isn't Naruto when you view his entire character. I think his goal and dream lies somewhere on the outside of characterization, because with him being talented and all you don't draw greatness from that, when greatness is already there. Which is why I think Sarada is more fit for the role of MC because; She's a great character number one, she's a strong female character (which is something we haven't seen in a while), and she trains hard and has that understanding (if you put in hard work you can become strong, which is something she implies greatly in the movie. Wanting to show her amazing aspects to Naruto).
I feel like he would benefit more as a side character, or something like Sasuke where he isn't shown because what's the point of seeing an already talented boy become even more talented?
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Sarada has a lack of feats, so it's no surprise Boruto is seemingly ahead. I'd argue Sarada would be his equal with an arsenal she should logically acquire but did not showcase in the movie (3T Sharingan, Katon, Possibly chidori from her father, etc).
I think it's logical to say their potential is the same when we look at the big picture.
Just a quick summary
CES, Yin Seal, Byakugou, Katon (Not going to list other elements cause I'm not sure what she inherited but Fire Style is granted because all Uchiha have the affinity), Slug summons (since Mitsuki is getting snakes and Boruto is getting frogs), etc.,
Shadow clones, Rasengan, Elemental nature Versions of Rasengan, 3 affinities, and Sage Mode.
I would say they would go pretty far. Depending whether or not Sasuke and Boruto continuing training together, since it wasn't implied it ended and the movie continued on with Boruto wanting to follow in his footsteps.
No clue, honestly it's a waste introducing these really cool characters with potential but I know if the series continued it would be wasted. Honestly I would like it better if Sarada, Boruto, and Mitsuki mixed things up.
Like (just going random here with no actual reason). Sarada inheriting Sage Mode, Mitsuki inheriting Byakugou, and Boruto inheriting Snake Stuff.
But the characterizations are there sadly.... it doesn't seem likely that they will be any different from their parents in the long run :/
I was talking about intelligence.
Well the thing about Boruto's elemental natures...I still have doubts about how powerful they really are. He might just have a very basic level of those elemental natures. The reason being is because it doesn't make sense to me why he wouldn't use those techniques in battle. Besides the elemental natures, whenever he used the cheating device he used a technique he didn't have enough chakra/skill to use effectively.
Ex 1: Boruto using a normal sized rasengan with Konohamaru's power (in this case he wasn't able to create a rasengan of this size on his own).
Ex 2: Boruto using multiple clones in the fight with Shikadai (in this case he did not have enough chakra to create that many clones on his own). If Boruto could use Suiton and Raiton to that magnitude then he should have done so. He had no faith in his invisible rasegan so that's a logical reason for why he didn't use that. But not using Suiton and Raiton even when he had bragged about them to Naruto? It doesn't make sense to me.
Hmm what do you mean? Do you mean what would have happened if Boruto only used shadow clones and none of his other techniques? Then I'd say we'd see the same thing as the movie/novel showed: Shikadai winning. Shikadai had countermeasures for a rasengan (although admittedly we don't know if he knew about the invisible rasegan) but I don't know if Boruto would have been able to escape Shikadai's new technique. At least not on the spot. That would have taken some creative thinking and I don't think Boruto had enough practice doing that yet.
Edit: reread it. So you mean if both Boruto/Shikadai had normal techniques instead of the surprise techniques? That's kind of hard to say because that would be making an out of character guess. I mean story wise Shikadai had his parents to help him with that technique and all those experiences make Shikadai the ninja he is. and same with Boruto. I think it'd be a closer match but I still think Shikadai because he had thought of multiple countermeasures. He was prepared.
Oh I agree Sarada would make a great main character but I don't know if Kishi would be open to that. I mean he did let Sarada be the main character in the gaiden but Boruto is Naruto's son...it's like letting Trunks be the main character instead of Gohan or Goten. Also Kishi is a bit sexist so :/ Although if Sarada is the main character then Kishi would have permission to write about the Uchihas to his heart's content so who knows lol if Boruto was a side character he could continue as a prodigy without getting nerfed and could go do stuff in the shadows as Sasuke is. A main character needs to struggle and I can see Sarada facing a lot of challenges being the first Uchiha who wants to be Hokage and her struggle to bring glory back to the Uchiha clan. Also Boruto could ultimately be a rival for her and influence her to get stronger.
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Shikadai is strong. But as soon as anyone hits KCM Naruto realm, or has high enough will power, his Shadows are useless. They aren't very trainable. Had he inherited Temari's wind or his grandfather's gold dust, he would be extremely powerful. Shame Gaara never settled down, Samui would've been a reasonable pairing. And TentenxOmoi would've been fodder but you can't have it all.
IMO, Sarada has the most potential if you consider the novels. Decidedly less so if you don't,but still a close third to Boruto and Bee's protege.
IMO, Sarada has the most potential if you consider the novels. Decidedly less so if you don't,but still a close third to Boruto and Bee's protege.
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Honestly, yeah. I've been reading the Boruto novel and there's a bunch of lessons about hard work that Boruto doesn't get. Sasuke picked up on it from the start when he was training him.
The team would have lost in the 2nd round if it wasn't for the cheating device.
And I cant beleive it, that Boruto couldn't beat the 3 bothers ninja w/o the device
He couldn't even beat 1 clone of theirs. Maybe these brothers aren't that weak as we thought
And I cant beleive it, that Boruto couldn't beat the 3 bothers ninja w/o the device
He couldn't even beat 1 clone of theirs. Maybe these brothers aren't that weak as we thought
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Considering that Bee trains him though. Not really sure
It was three clones vs one Boruto, even with shadow clones that outnumbered him
What do you see in Bee's protege?
Considering that Bee trains him though. Not really sure