Howling Fox
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LEL butthurt to strong
Pls tell us how somebody without strong body would hold kyuubi mr genius XD
OR how crying over Itachi = auto power up XD
U = joke. OP = correct
Borrowed eyes are a much worse offender than a Bijuu (Nagato/Kakashi excluded)
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Pls tell us how somebody without strong body would hold kyuubi mr genius XD
OR how crying over Itachi = auto power up XD
U = joke. OP = correct
Sharingan King
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He's not comparing eyes to people, smart one. Bijuu aren't even people, for one. Secondly, he's comparing the respective work ethic, what's on the line, and how power ups are garnered through each manner.
LOL!
5 star thread. I agree 152000%
You're a fool for believing the MS and EMS don't take work. Uchiha are just natural learners. Switch roles and Sasuke would master Sage Mode or KCM far far faster than Naruto would master MS or EMS.[/QUOTE]
No, at the end of the day you're arguing over eye power vs body power that both comes from the 10 tails. The eyes gives you jutsu, ability, information, and insight from the second gain the eyes. You don't have to worry about the eyes control or killing you. The tail beast will given if information and power if you are ever able to control their power and cooperate with them. I think the eyes are better upfront, but the tail beast are better in the long run if you are able to control and cooperate with them.
Sasuke couldn 't master the Sage Mode or KCM faster. Sasuke has been using sage chakra (natural energy) since part 1 (CM) and he still can't control natural energy or use sage mode. When a ninja gains CM they are controlling the CM not natural energy. The CM does all of that for the user.
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Stormblast
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I wholeheartedly concur with you. Sasuke pops in Itachi's eyes and what do you know, free new Susanoo pump up like a pair of Air Force 180's while the jinchuriki are fighting for dear life just to survive. Not debatable.
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Ultimateone
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i agree
i would go even further as to say that dojutsu are like a cheat code. besides say, byakugan, the other dojutsu actually requie very little training. sure it may take about a day for that power to mature, but for the most part no training is needed. when sasuke got MS, he just straight up started using MS techs. it's not like one day he stopped in the woods to see what he could do. in the middle of battle he just started doing $hit.
compared to bijuu, sure you can get angry and the bijuu take over, but that's a rare occasion. most of the time they have to rely on their own power. in naruto's ase, as the OP mentions, his abilities where actually hindered because of his tailed beast. it is not until they actual subdue and tame said beast do they get a power-up. by then they have actually earned that power. even then they have to train to use the power.
i would go even further as to say that dojutsu are like a cheat code. besides say, byakugan, the other dojutsu actually requie very little training. sure it may take about a day for that power to mature, but for the most part no training is needed. when sasuke got MS, he just straight up started using MS techs. it's not like one day he stopped in the woods to see what he could do. in the middle of battle he just started doing $hit.
compared to bijuu, sure you can get angry and the bijuu take over, but that's a rare occasion. most of the time they have to rely on their own power. in naruto's ase, as the OP mentions, his abilities where actually hindered because of his tailed beast. it is not until they actual subdue and tame said beast do they get a power-up. by then they have actually earned that power. even then they have to train to use the power.
TrollingSage
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LEL. No. You don't have to train to learn MS or EMS. You simply have to practice a bit to get used to the powers.
Nah you make it too easy. Sasuke had to spent years of endless training to kill Itachi. This alobne negates everything he has said about Sasuke "free power up" Moreover I doubt that most people (does not matter if it is in the NV or real life) are able to kill the person closest to hin or her and endure that loss. In many cases such ascenario can drive people crazy beyond insanity.
Hiraishin Stage 3
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The Life of a Jinchuriki and it's detriments
Madara,obito disagree.
Both of them became juubi jinchuriki and were able to use its power effortlessly.No need to spend 16+ years in training or befriending the juubi.
Bijju is a free power up only if you are skilled enough to use it.
The village itself has to be blamed for mistreatment of jinchuriki.
Yagura, a 7 year old kid could also become a perfect jinchuriki without going to waterfalls.
A mizukage is definitely not hated in his own country.
He was even made the mizukage of his country solely for being a pure badass.
Only those who are not good enough to fight their circumstances and deal with situations, get in such a mess.
Taking the Power Within
Minato was able to use KM mode without going to the waterfall. An exceptionally strong and intelligent ninja does need to fight his hatred or anything along those lines. With his skill, he can do it without that.
Yagura, a 7 year old kid could also become a perfect jinchuriki without going to waterfalls.
He was even made the mizukage of his country solely for being a pure badass.
A mizukage is definitely not hated in his own country.
The Mangekyo Sharingan
You have to see the one you loved the most to DIE to achieve this power.
Unlike a jinchuriki, one has to actually go through pain of losing someone, to get this power up.
Not to mention, after gaining the power up , certain chakra sprouts up in the brain and it makes you evil.
He have to go through the same thing a jinchuriki does but it does not end here!
Even after obtaining MS, it is still not guaranteed that you will unlock a power up.
There were many MS users in the history of NV but only few were able to gain those powers.
It is extremely very rare to get susano even among the uchiha, this is what obito said.
Itachi was surprised that sasuke could awaken the susano.
So even after going through all the pain, it still does not confirm the power up, unlike the bijju whose power can be used according to user's will.
In fact , it is not even necessary to go through all that pain.
(madara,obito says hi)
EVEN After gaining the MS and miraculously awakening its power, its usage is EXTREMELY limited and once it is overused, you lose the power you worked so hard to gain and you end up weaker than what you were initially (u become blind and lose 3t sharingan u had)
Also, the user awakens this ALL ON HIS OWN, everything he achieves is on his own at this point and NO BORROWED POWER is involved.
EMS
It is extremely rare for someone to have a brother who had to go through the same pain as you and have him awaken a MS.
Moreover, you have to take away your beloved brother's MS to gain more power which again makes you go through immense pain.
Conclusion:
It cannot be compared to the free powers which are given to a jinchuriki.
All you need to do is find a bijju and put it into yourself and BAM, you are in top 5 list.
(obito and madara literally did this)
Madara,obito disagree.
Both of them became juubi jinchuriki and were able to use its power effortlessly.No need to spend 16+ years in training or befriending the juubi.
Bijju is a free power up only if you are skilled enough to use it.
The village itself has to be blamed for mistreatment of jinchuriki.
Yagura, a 7 year old kid could also become a perfect jinchuriki without going to waterfalls.
A mizukage is definitely not hated in his own country.
He was even made the mizukage of his country solely for being a pure badass.
Only those who are not good enough to fight their circumstances and deal with situations, get in such a mess.
Taking the Power Within
Minato was able to use KM mode without going to the waterfall. An exceptionally strong and intelligent ninja does need to fight his hatred or anything along those lines. With his skill, he can do it without that.
Yagura, a 7 year old kid could also become a perfect jinchuriki without going to waterfalls.
He was even made the mizukage of his country solely for being a pure badass.
A mizukage is definitely not hated in his own country.
The Mangekyo Sharingan
You have to see the one you loved the most to DIE to achieve this power.
Unlike a jinchuriki, one has to actually go through pain of losing someone, to get this power up.
Not to mention, after gaining the power up , certain chakra sprouts up in the brain and it makes you evil.
He have to go through the same thing a jinchuriki does but it does not end here!
Even after obtaining MS, it is still not guaranteed that you will unlock a power up.
There were many MS users in the history of NV but only few were able to gain those powers.
It is extremely very rare to get susano even among the uchiha, this is what obito said.
Itachi was surprised that sasuke could awaken the susano.
So even after going through all the pain, it still does not confirm the power up, unlike the bijju whose power can be used according to user's will.
In fact , it is not even necessary to go through all that pain.
(madara,obito says hi)
EVEN After gaining the MS and miraculously awakening its power, its usage is EXTREMELY limited and once it is overused, you lose the power you worked so hard to gain and you end up weaker than what you were initially (u become blind and lose 3t sharingan u had)
Also, the user awakens this ALL ON HIS OWN, everything he achieves is on his own at this point and NO BORROWED POWER is involved.
EMS
It is extremely rare for someone to have a brother who had to go through the same pain as you and have him awaken a MS.
Moreover, you have to take away your beloved brother's MS to gain more power which again makes you go through immense pain.
Conclusion:
It cannot be compared to the free powers which are given to a jinchuriki.
All you need to do is find a bijju and put it into yourself and BAM, you are in top 5 list.
(obito and madara literally did this)
WalksInShadows
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on some real talk, i want to make a few of my immediate thoughts clear:
1. You can't make a legit argument about the and then exclude Nagato and Kakashi. Because when it's all said and done and the emotional stuff is taken out of the equation, 1 or both of their eyes came from someone else even if they trained or whatnot with those eyes to be better. And by extension, much of their hype came about as a result of that. In a number of ways, it's the same exact thing: Nagato and Kakashi's dojutsu powerup were freebies regardless of how much those eyes were trained up. They weren't born with them, those eyes were handed to them, and in the end, they became much better ninja then they would've been w/o them.
2. Your argument is a illegitimate one simply based on the amounts of info that is false. You say obtaining the MS takes no real work when in reality, it is the 2nd hardest Sharingan form to obtain. It's a known fact that there were only a few in the clan's entire history that were good enough to awaken an MS, as was made evident by the vast amount of Uchiha that tried and failed.
3. As far as the part in the EMS section goes, it was apparent that Madara had managed to unlock certain Rinnegan powers before he gave them to Nagato, as evidenced by his use of the Preta and Outer Paths, as well as the Limbo tech. Madara didn't just learn everything by popping an eye in the way you claim.
1. You can't make a legit argument about the and then exclude Nagato and Kakashi. Because when it's all said and done and the emotional stuff is taken out of the equation, 1 or both of their eyes came from someone else even if they trained or whatnot with those eyes to be better. And by extension, much of their hype came about as a result of that. In a number of ways, it's the same exact thing: Nagato and Kakashi's dojutsu powerup were freebies regardless of how much those eyes were trained up. They weren't born with them, those eyes were handed to them, and in the end, they became much better ninja then they would've been w/o them.
2. Your argument is a illegitimate one simply based on the amounts of info that is false. You say obtaining the MS takes no real work when in reality, it is the 2nd hardest Sharingan form to obtain. It's a known fact that there were only a few in the clan's entire history that were good enough to awaken an MS, as was made evident by the vast amount of Uchiha that tried and failed.
3. As far as the part in the EMS section goes, it was apparent that Madara had managed to unlock certain Rinnegan powers before he gave them to Nagato, as evidenced by his use of the Preta and Outer Paths, as well as the Limbo tech. Madara didn't just learn everything by popping an eye in the way you claim.
if that's the case, then literally every Uchiha would be known Sharingan users.
just because it took that long for Naruto to do it doesn't mean he's a barometer for how long it takes for a jin to master the bijuu's powers. And furthermore, it takes a hell of a lot longer than an hr or a day to master Sharingan.
if being a perfect jin requires the cooperation between both parties, then this argument is contradictory. Because if the bijuu refuses to share its power with the host, the host can train as hard as they want for a million yrs and still not be a perfect jin.
boo hoo. Some ppl in the world had to work for their wealth while others were born into it. If someone isn't born with advantages, it's not the fault of someone who is. It's like Jiraiya said on Broken Bonds:"fair or unfair, that's just how it is." The Saiyans and Skywalker descendants held similar advantages over others in their respective universes but the bottom line is that no biological advantage can make up for not having to learn how to be a talented/competent enough fighter to survive. Gripers won't acknowledge that though because it would mean having to challenge their own preconceived notions that had little to no legitimacy in the first place about how someone could just coast through their existence on w/e biological advantage w/o ever training or learning anything.
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No no no. It takes a real fodder to learn techs with a biju's assistance and actually think they're the sh!t (*cough* Naruto *cough*). If Naruto never had Kurama given to him, he would be more fodder than Sakura. At least Sasuke without his Sharingan could still be a ninja (albeit a very garbage fodder ninja).
Both Naruto and Sasuke are fodders without their unearned power ups and abilities; Naruto would be a much more pathetic fodder, though.
Both Naruto and Sasuke are fodders without their unearned power ups and abilities; Naruto would be a much more pathetic fodder, though.
