BM Minato vs SM Hashirama

[Conspirator.]

Restrictions-none
Intel-manga
Location-Madara vs kages
Distance: 40m

Who wins?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ill say pre tag location favors Minato while non pre tag location favors Hashirama.

What I want to know how people got the conclusion that a TBB can be teleported mid way. One argument stated that since the TBB is touching Minato's chakra, he can teleport it.

But it seems the TBB looks more of a external energy separated from the Jinkiruki's chakra. The reason I say this is why does Naruto need to add natural energy to a TBB against Juubito, when it should of been naturally fused together.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hashirama low difficulty. Tbb's are caught and flicked right back at Minato.

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama wins mid/high diff

-FTG gives Minato a clear mobility advantage over Hashirama, but Sage Mode gives Hashi distinctly superior sensing and reaction - Hashirama will be able to track Minato and react to him as Madara was easily able to counter and dominate an FTG user, Tobirama, who teleported behind him.

-To counter Minato's offensive powers, Hashirama has shown the mobility to run from a TBB on foot, change its trajectory, or easily catch it with Mokuton, so it is unlikely that Minato can rely on his TBB or Rasengan to take out Hashirama. Not to mention he has better healing than Tsunade, by her own admission.

--If it comes down to stamina, Hashirama again wins. Minato has half the Kyubi chakra, the same as Naruto, and we know based on Naruto that after spamming high level techniques, Kurama must recharge before distributing more chakra, whereas Hashirama can fight for 24 hours, so Minato gets raped

 

[Ababeel]

Minato speedblitzes him.

He was able to throw his Kunai right in front of madara, and before Kakashi can even use Kamui. Unlike JJ SM Madara though, Hashirama's speed and reflexes is far inferior to even base Minato, let alone BM Minato, so he wouldn't be able to counter attack him.

Not to mention, Hashirama will need to be faster than Gai or on par with the Juubi's Jinchuurikis to be able to land a hit on Minato, which he is not.

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I know people get salty about his feat in that scan, but a feat is a feat, whether you like it or not.
Not to mention Minato portrayed and performance in the War outclassed Hashirama in so many levels.

 

[Demonic.]

Minato speedblitzes him.

He was able to throw his Kunai right in front of madara, and before Kakashi can even use Kamui. Unlike JJ SM Madara though, Hashirama's speed and reflexes is far inferior to even base Minato, let alone BM Minato, so he wouldn't be able to counter attack him.

Not to mention, Hashirama will need to be faster than Gai or on par with the Juubi's Jinchuurikis to be able to land a hit on Minato, which he is not.

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I know people get salty about his feat in that scan, but a feat is a feat, whether you like it or not.
Not to mention Minato portrayed and performance in the War outclassed Hashirama in so many levels.

Sage Mode > FTG. Blitz is not happening. Madara already reacted to FTG with sage mode, twice.

 

[Ababeel]

Sage Mode > FTG. Blitz is not happening. Madara already reacted to FTG with sage mode, twice.

- Lol, prove that. XD
- Madara > Hashirama, pretty sure he destroyed him without his eyes. lol

In addition, Madara reacted to Tobirama, who's inferior to BASE Minato as he admitted, how does that in any way, shape or form means that Hashirama (who's inferior to that madara to begin with) would react to BM Minato who's way out of Tobirama's level? Lol

you saw when they arrived to the battlefield, right?
Hashiram's speed and reflexes are no where near base Minato's, get over it.

unless you can show us Hashirama's feats, then there is nothing to debate.
Or are you implying that Hashirama has speed and reflexes superior to 8th Gate Gai, and the Juubi's hosts? XD

 

[Demonic.]

- Lol, prove that. XD

- Madara > Hashirama, pretty sure he destroyed him without his eyes. lol

Um, reread the manga. Hashirama was already immobilized from black rods before Madara was revived.

In addition, Madara reacted to Tobirama, who's inferior to BASE Minato as he admitted,

Madara reacted to FTG. How can Minato's FTG be faster than Tobirama's, if FTG is instant?

how does that in any way, shape or form means that Hashirama (who's inferior to that madara to begin with) would react to BM Minato who's way out of Tobirama's level? Lol

Sage Mode increases reaction time. You bringing Madara taking down an immobilized Hashirama is irrelevant

you saw when they arrived to the battlefield, right?
Hashiram's speed and reflexes are no where near base Minato's, get over it.

Sage Mode increases reflexes. Minato isn't blitzing a Sage Mode user

 

[Conspirator.]

Actually, mathematically it's possible for Minato's FTG to be "more instant" than Tobirama's, since the FTG is infinte speed, but some infinities are greater than other infinities! Lol. Anyways, once the buddha comes out, I don't see how Minato wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Actually, mathematically it's possible for Minato's FTG to be "more instant" than Tobirama's, since the FTG is infinte speed, but some infinities are greater than other infinities!.

Lol no it isn't mathematically possible. And there no such thing as greater infinity otherwise it was never infinite to begin with.

 

[Ababeel]

=An Awesome Senju;17557620]
Madara reacted to FTG. How can Minato's FTG be faster than Tobirama's, if FTG is instant?

He actually reacted to Tobirama's shunshin, as for FTG, is just as possible as when Tobirama stated that when the clones
for example use it, it's way slower.

Sage Mode increases reaction time. You bringing Madara taking down an immobilized Hashirama is irrelevant

So?
prove that this increase will be enough for Hashirama.

Sage Mode increases reflexes. Minato isn't blitzing a Sage Mode user

lol, and so does KCM/BM, and since Minato is already superior in base, the increase in his speed & reflexes will still be superior. Also, you haven't proven anything by the way, prove that Hashirama can do that, and show some feats for him
doing so. Lol

Actually, mathematically it's possible for Minato's FTG to be "more instant" than Tobirama's, since the FTG is infinte speed, but some infinities are greater than other infinities! Lol. Anyways, once the buddha comes out, I don't see how Minato wins.

Pretty sure Hashirama's Buddha is a childish play compare to the Juubi's TBB which base Minato dealt with like nothing.

 

[Ababeel]

Lol no it isn't mathematically possible. And there no such thing as greater infinity otherwise it was never infinite to begin with.

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Pretty sure Tobirama's words are more credible. Zzz
If they all are the same, he wouldn't have said that it could be "Too Slow"

 

[Rιver]

Actually, mathematically it's possible for Minato's FTG to be "more instant" than Tobirama's, since the FTG is infinte speed, but some infinities are greater than other infinities! Lol. Anyways, once the buddha comes out, I don't see how Minato wins.

Sorry, but mathematically instant is the fastest possible time record. Unless you are going back in time, instant is always instant, nothing more nor less.

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Pretty sure Tobirama's words are more credible. Zzz

He was referring to reflexes and such because doppelgangers weaken original body's overall physical stats. Hiraishin is always instant.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Pretty sure Tobirama's words are more credible. Zzz
If they all are the same, he wouldn't have said that it could be "Too Slow"

That has nothing to do with the teleport itself. A shadow would have less focus then the original. So the context is clearly talking about reaction timing of clones. Otherwise Tobirama's clone should have never succeed at teleporting V2 Juubito

 

[Minator93]

Minato wins this U_U

The only ones that are above Full powered BM Minato are perfect Juubi Jins. Shinsusenjuu means nothing in front of Hiraishin heck all of Hashirama's Mokuton arsenal is nothing in front of Hiraishin.

SM Minato and SM Hashirama are debatable, BM Minato is just too much U_U

 

[Demonic.]

He actually reacted to Tobirama's shunshin, as for FTG, is just as possible as when Tobirama stated that when the clones
for example use it, it's way slower.

Pretty sure the scan clearly says FTG slash, and since FTG is instant, Minato's FTG is also getting countered- not debatable unless you provide facts

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lol, and so does KCM/BM, and since Minato is already superior in base, the increase in his speed & reflexes will still be superior. Also, you haven't proven anything by the way, prove that Hashirama can do that, and show some feats for him
doing so. Lol

Sage Mode is already said to increase reaction. Madara showed this by reacting to FTG with Sage Mode. Nothing is faster than instant, so a blitz isn't happening.

Pretty sure Hashirama's Buddha is a childish play compare to the Juubi's TBB which base Minato dealt with like nothing.

Pretty sure Base Hashirama dealt with 2 TBB'S like nothing. SS dealt with more.

SS sclears the field . Minato has no counter

SM Minato and SM Hashirama are debatable, BM Minato is just too much U_U

Thank you for showing everyone you shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[Bogard]

Minato wins

- If Hashirama uses long range mokuton techniques, it gets destroyed by continuous Bijudamas or Kurama's chakra force
- Clones will be useless due to fire power(they will be destroyed)
- His torii gates either gets destroyed by Minato's chakra arms or avoided with shunshin/hiraishin
- Wood dragon will be dodged with hiraishin, destroyed with Bijudama(well we've seen its head getting destroyed by Kurama's bijudama), or overpowered with Kyubi's chakra force(like Naruto did)
- Against the Budha, Minato only needs to fire bijudamas from a long range distance considering it lacks range attacks. If Hashirama ever tried to close the range, with teleportation, Minato can easily stay out of range
- If the fight comes to close range, shunshin blitz(puting a marking on Hashi) [

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] ending the fight with Odama rasengan

 

[Rιver]

@An Awesome Senju:

You can't use Madara as an example, because he's faster than Hashirama, had his own sensing and HM combined and also has Dojutsu. HM Madara > HM Hashirama in overall CQC.

 

[Demonic.]

@An Awesome Senju:

You can't use Madara as an example, because he's faster than Hashirama, had his own sensing and HM combined and also has Dojutsu. HM Madara > HM Hashirama in overall CQC.

-Madara wasn't even looking, his back was turned to Tobirama, why bring Dojutsu into it?

-Hashirama is a sensor himself

-Hashirama kept up with Madara in CQC

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama wins this

--Minato still gets overwhelmed by SS, especially when his TBB can get thrown right back at him through the big hands of SS, and along with Chojo Kobetsu, his avatar gets breached

--Mokuton is still a nightmare for Minato when his bijuu chakra just gets restrained,, and the fact that his mokutons can also be used to redirect/catch/deflect his TBB means that minato is not winning this

--Hashirama can also put minatos kyuubi to sleep through kakuan nittei sanshu (KNS)

--Minato blitzing hashirama is a joke, especially when the starting distance is 40m, and the fact that hashirama in SM is easily reacting to minatos shunshin, and his mokutons prevent minato from marking him as well,

--Minatos time limit on his BM just makes this worse for him, as once he loses his kurama avatar, he dies,