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Even the Uzumaki aren't compatible Kushina was selected because of her chakra chains ability. Do you have a mangascan confirming that the Uzumaki are compatible? Ill wait for it or even a datavook entry confirming the uzumaki were selected because theyre compatible.
It was their special chakra. That special chakra even granted few the ability to form chakra chains. I say a few because only Kushina and Karin have shown to do so, while Mito hasn't.
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Provide the scan confirming because of kushina Naruto is able to do what he does. Because Kurama mentions something else alongside that which is nothing to do with him being a mutt.
Kurama clearly states it's because of Kushina's blood and the fact that Naruto has been a Jin for many years.
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As for Naruto being overpowered that's pure fanfic his reserves and stamina stem from the 9 tails.
No, what's pure fanfic is Naruto being fodder without Kurama. A part of his reserves and stamina stem from the 9 tails, but not all of it in it's entirety.

Kakashi confirms the 9 tails is behind Naruto s massive stamina (when he asks Ebisu to train him), the 9 tails is also behind his endurance and recovery speed (being it's host).
The 9 tails is responsible for Naruto's extremely poor Chakra control in part 1, which shows how much of a nuisance being Kurama's jin is, until Naruto finally befriended him and earned his power.
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Also it's never said that without Kurama his stats would be poor, as you keep persistently claiming. It's nothing but fanfic coming from you.
It heals him whenever has hurt(Jiraiya explaining how it's power works to Yamato and the others). Naruto's natural reserves aren't much.
His reserves are higher than average without Kurama, just not nearly as much with it. Get it right.

Everyone they've had a bump is after has drawn on the 9 tails chakra. An example couldn't summon bunta after using 9 tails to summon junta he could do it a few chapters later without using the 9 tails chakra(it's obvious the 9 tails increased his chakra capacity fuether). The 4th also designed the seal to leak chakra into Naruto s mixing with his over time raising his reserves.
In case you've forgotten, I already debunked this statement of yours a while back. The amount of chakra leaking out is a little bit. Minuscule. The point of Minato sealing the 9 tails in Naruto was so he could master it's power, which he did.

Don't let the fap blind you.
:lol That's what you should be telling yourself.

As for the Boruto thing it's from his(Boruto's) databook entry and it clearly states he inherited Naruto's reserves which is a 4 clones limit.
Provide a scan or image stating that Boruto's reserves stem directly from Naruto's reserves.
 
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Nice logic though,so They couldn't use anyone from their village and had to wait for kushina to come from Uzushiogakure,right?

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i like how Kushina and zetsu put it above...



[qoute]As for Yamato's claim, your comprehension skills are pathetic because Jiraiya confirms that it's the 9 tails that hurts him and heals him. Apart from the fact that he's trying to convince Naruto not to use the kyubi chakra cloak but I guess that's lost on you.
I like how easy it was for you to avoid everything Yamato said.Him saying he could withstand Kurama's chakra because of his own
strong chakra....who's got the poor comprehension skills now fap?



Oh scan please,when did he recieve power from Hagoromo? Damn,you are more pathetic than i thought.



None of the above mentioned ever used Chakra at an amount BASE Naruto could,please get you facts right.



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proof? and no shoddy Databook....

Boruto has used more chakra in the series than Sarada...Fact![/QUOTE]

Not really a valid point since the senju are pretty much exticnt at that point I'm still waiting for the scan confirming you need the 9 tails body. By the way the scans didnt load link the pages.



Here's 1 confirming her chakra could suppress the 9 tails. You know those chakra chains that's the reason she was chosen. By the way Naruto didnt inherit them either since it's not a kekkei Genkai. Anyway still waiting for the scan that confirms the Uzumaki were the only ones that could house the 9 tails. Since the Uchiha have housed the Jyubi but that's another story altogether.

Where exactly is Naruto withstanding kurama's chakra because of his own strong chakra(I haven't seen that once)? do you have scan link the pages because the last ones didn't load?


This is the only 1 I could find it's clear Kurama's internal chakra's the one healing so that explains any withstanding the damage etc.

Ps. Ignores the fact that Yamato is trying to convince Naruto not to use the kyubi chakra. Naruto himself doubts he has the power to bring Sasuke back. It that's not Yamato motivating him I don't know what is added to that he tells him he injured Sakura in that form as well



Hogaromo confirming he gave power to one (Ashura) last time. This time he gave both of the power and the result was still the same. I wonder what power he have them 6psm and rinnegan by any chance.

As for Sarada's databook(cannon databook by the way) entry it pawns your fanfic since its the author who wants us to know these things the fact is Sarada has more chakra. Don't let the :salt: burn too much calling a canon databook shoddy :lmao:

Me preferring Sasuke to Naruto even though I'm not his fan =fanfic :lmao:

It was their special chakra. That special chakra even granted few the ability to form chakra chains. I say a few because only Kushina and Karin have shown to do so, while Mito hasn't.
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Kurama clearly states it's because of Kushina's blood and the fact that Naruto has been a Jin for many years.
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No, what's pure fanfic is Naruto being fodder without Kurama. A part of his reserves and stamina stem from the 9 tails, but not all of it in it's entirety.


The 9 tails is responsible for Naruto's extremely poor Chakra control in part 1, which shows how much of a nuisance being Kurama's jin is, until Naruto finally befriended him and earned his power.
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Also it's never said that without Kurama his stats would be poor, as you keep persistently claiming. It's nothing but fanfic coming from you.


His reserves are higher than average without Kurama, just not nearly as much with it. Get it right.



In case you've forgotten, I already debunked this statement of yours a while back. The amount of chakra leaking out is a little bit. Minuscule. The point of Minato sealing the 9 tails in Naruto was so he could master it's power, which he did.



:lol That's what you should be telling yourself.



Provide a scan or image stating that Boruto's reserves stem directly from Naruto's reserves.
Their special chakra referring to kushina's which allowed her to form the chains by the way which is actually a Hiden a rank fuinn barrier jutsu and not a bloodline ability. I suggest you read the databook. She had already learnt it and was chosen to be the host because of it nothing more. Neither the databook or manga state you need special chakra to learn the chains but learning them makes you special. Understand it properly and you'll be okay.

Naruto who didn't have this ability or chains was chosen because the 4th trusted his own son. Kushina' s blood statement is vague and Naruto being the Jin is definite since kushina hasnt demonstrated any bloodline abilites. So it's not to be taken in any such context. She also doesn't have yang release so she doesn't have the strong body gene potential either.

Kakashi statement confirms that the kyubi is at the root of the stamina or the origin in plain English and because it's too much it's difficult to control. Hardly a feat of Naruto's own chakra.

Minato's seal also confirms that the chakra leaks onto and mixes with Naruto's these are facts. 1/100 of the 9 tails yang chakra equal Naruto's current reserves. Those are facts coupled with Kakashi confirming the 9 tails is at the root of Naruto's massive stamina (that which is covered to chakra). It's pretty evident that it's not Naruto's natural chakra and he'd have average stamina/chakra at best.

You've debunked nothing bit yourself. You take 1 thing in isolation we take everything into consideration.

Boruto's databook entry(cant remember which 1) you look for it. Anyway I've been nice to Naruto I personally think his would be even lower taking all things into consideration.
 
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Their special chakra referring to kushina's which allowed her to form the chains by the way which is actually a Hiden a rank fuinn barrier jutsu and not a bloodline ability. I suggest you read the databook. She had already learnt it and was chosen to be the host because of it nothing more. Neither the databook or manga state you need special chakra to learn the chains but learning them makes you special. Understand it properly and you'll be okay.
You don't "learn", you awaken them, judging by what Oro said. Get it right and read the manga so you understand.
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Naruto who didn't have this ability or chains was chosen because the 4th trusted his own son. Kushina' s blood statement is vague and Naruto being the Jin is definite since kushina hasnt demonstrated any bloodline abilites. So it's not to be taken in any such context. She also doesn't have yang release so she doesn't have the strong body gene potential either.
:lmao: What?
Yes the 4th trusted his son, but also guessed that his body was suitable to house the 9 tails. He guessed right when he put half inside himself and half inside his son, and noted how his body became numb and heavy, while Naruto didn't have the same effect. Kushina may not have Yang release, but it's a fact that she possesses a strong body.

Kakashi statement confirms that the kyubi is at the root of the stamina or the origin in plain English and because it's too much it's difficult to control. Hardly a feat of Naruto's own chakra.
Naruto's chakra control was terrible thanks to being Kurama's jin. Also the fact that Naruto later controlled such large amounts of chakra with ease, is an incredible feat of Naruto. Even Sasuke was amazed by it.

Minato's seal also confirms that the chakra leaks onto and mixes with Naruto's these are facts. 1/100 of the 9 tails yang chakra equal Naruto's current reserves.
Scan stating that "1/100 of the 9 tails yang chakra equal Naruto's current reserves."? Otherwise you just keep making stuff up.
Those are facts coupled with Kakashi confirming the 9 tails is at the root of Naruto's massive stamina (that which is covered to chakra). It's pretty evident that it's not Naruto's natural chakra and he'd have average stamina/chakra at best.
His reserves would be at/or higher than that of kakashi's and I'm being extremely generous in that regard.

You've debunked nothing bit yourself. You take 1 thing in isolation we take everything into consideration.
I have actually. You take everything and twist things to your narrative and try passing them off as facts.
Boruto's databook entry(cant remember which 1) you look for it. Anyway I've been nice to Naruto I personally think his would be even lower taking all things into consideration.
Nope, you brought it up, you look for it, otherwise it doesn't exist and can't be used to back up what you've said.
Taking all things into consideration, his would definitely be much lower, but higher than average.
 

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You don't "learn", you awaken them, judging by what Oro said. Get it right and read the manga so you understand.
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:lmao: What?
Yes the 4th trusted his son, but also guessed that his body was suitable to house the 9 tails. He guessed right when he put half inside himself and half inside his son, and noted how his body became numb and heavy, while Naruto didn't have the same effect. Kushina may not have Yang release, but it's a fact that she possesses a strong body.



Naruto's chakra control was terrible thanks to being Kurama's jin. Also the fact that Naruto later controlled such large amounts of chakra with ease, is an incredible feat of Naruto. Even Sasuke was amazed by it.


Scan stating that "1/100 of the 9 tails yang chakra equal Naruto's current reserves."? Otherwise you just keep making stuff up.


His reserves would be at/or higher than that of kakashi's and I'm being extremely generous in that regard.


I have actually. You take everything and twist things to your narrative and try passing them off as facts.


Nope, you brought it up, you look for it, otherwise it doesn't exist and can't be used to back up what you've said.
Taking all things into consideration, his would definitely be much lower, but higher than average.
Again with the fanfic hidden barrier jutsu that have a rank are learnt jutsu. Orochimaru's statement is nothing more than confirmation of this and must be taken in light of it. They've finally come out is very vague statement. jutsu that are learnt have ranks not jutsu that are inherited they're called keekei genkai but keep fapping. They've finally come out is as it is they've finally been demonstrated.

Typical fapper denying databook when it suits him. In case your wondering the chains are listed as Hide, A rank,fuinn, barrier jutsu and have 0 special requirements. Both users however have yin affinity and only 1 has yang affinity making them possibly a yin technique.

Secondly I'm still waiting for the scan that confirms the Uzumaki have strong bodies I haven't seen it yet. I know they have longevity.

The 4th guessed nothing right about Naruto's body since the 4th was dying anyway and pretty much gave up his own soul. He trusted Naruto nowhere in the manga has it been confirmed the Uzumaki have a strong body I look forward to that scan.


Naruto has 4 times the reserves of kakashi(of those great reserves the root is the 9 tails) and not 2 times. Yang kurama has 100 times that therefore 1%.

The only 1 who's being generous and neutral is me my giving him kakashi level reserves which would be the reserves of an average shinobi and not great reserves for which the root is the 9 tails. Coupled with the facts that the 9 tails seal had been weakening and Naruto had been drawing more and more.

Naruto's current reserves are unquantifiable since him and 9 tails have become 1. If we assume that yang was 400 times Kakashi's and yin has the same amount Naruto's reserves could be up to 800 times Kakashi's. That's why the new databook leaves a question mark on his reserves.

Stamina can also be increased rapidly because of the 9 tails recovery speed. Naruto's shown recovery feats that surpass any normal person that too needs to be factored in and removed.

Taking everything into consideration at best Naruto would have kakashi level reserves and they'd definitely be lower than what he had/has.
 

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Again with the fanfic hidden barrier jutsu that have a rank are learnt jutsu. Orochimaru's statement is nothing more than confirmation of this and must be taken in light of it. They've finally come out is very vague statement. jutsu that are learnt have ranks not jutsu that are inherited they're called keekei genkai but keep fapping. They've finally come out is as it is they've finally been demonstrated.
Again the "very vague statement". Stop with the fanfic.
You just love twisting what the story shows/states and attempt to make it seem in line with what you are saying. You are truly delusional and in denial. What Orochimaru mean't, is that they've finally came out, meaning it's the first time she has ever used them. It's not something you learn to do, it's something you awaken, and then and only then do you learn to do with them as you wish via techs. Get it right.

Typical fapper denying databook when it suits him. In case your wondering the chains are listed as Hide, A rank,fuinn, barrier jutsu and have 0 special requirements. Both users however have yin affinity and only 1 has yang affinity making them possibly a yin technique.
Typical tard twisting things to his narrative again, resulting in fanfic. The chains are something that awaken and only then can you develop them, finally that's when it's considered/listed as Hidden A rank, fuinn, barrier jutsu.

Secondly I'm still waiting for the scan that confirms the Uzumaki have strong bodies I haven't seen it yet. I know they have longevity.
There are feats that confirm that they have strong bodies. The fact that you are actually asking must mean you have yet to fully read the manga. Give it a read and inform yourself. As for the scan, I've brought scans concerning other things we've discussed, yet when I ask for you to present scans, you don't deliver. So instead of me posting a scan, 'you' read the manga and see it for yourself.

The 4th guessed nothing right about Naruto's body since the 4th was dying anyway and pretty much gave up his own soul. He trusted Naruto nowhere in the manga has it been confirmed the Uzumaki have a strong body I look forward to that scan.
Maybe he didn't guess, rather he knew. He is married to Kushina and knows of Mito, so he knew that his son has a capable body as well, which proves to be true once he gives half to his son and half to himself. He stated how heavy and numb his body has become, yet newborn Naruto is just fine. There's plenty of feats in the manga that support that Uzumaki's have strong bodies. Read the manga and you'll know, unless you decide to ignore such an obvious and well known fact. I mean you've been doing that a lot already, so I won't be surprised.

The only 1 who's being generous and neutral is me my giving him kakashi level reserves which would be the reserves of an average shinobi and not great reserves for which the root is the 9 tails. Coupled with the facts that the 9 tails seal had been weakening and Naruto had been drawing more and more.
Without Kurama, his reserves are still higher than Kakashi's even with the minuscule chakra merging with Naruto due to the seal. You say you're being generous, when in fact you are nitpicking to suit how you want things to be. Sorry, but that's now how things work.


Taking everything into consideration at best Naruto would have kakashi level reserves and they'd definitely be lower than what he had/has.
Taking everything into consideration, his reserves would still be higher than Kakashi's. Yes his would be much lower than what he has w/ Kurama, but still higher than the average shinobi. That's for sure.
 

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I like how easy it was for you to avoid everything Yamato said.Him saying he could withstand Kurama's chakra because of his own
strong chakra....who's got the poor comprehension skills now fap?



Oh scan please,when did he recieve power from Hagoromo? Damn,you are more pathetic than i thought.



None of the above mentioned ever used Chakra at an amount BASE Naruto could,please get you facts right.



fanfic


proof? and no shoddy Databook....

Boruto has used more chakra in the series than Sarada...Fact!
Not really a valid point since the senju are pretty much exticnt at that point I'm still waiting for the scan confirming you need the 9 tails body. By the way the scans didnt load link the pages.



Here's 1 confirming her chakra could suppress the 9 tails. You know those chakra chains that's the reason she was chosen. By the way Naruto didnt inherit them either since it's not a kekkei Genkai. Anyway still waiting for the scan that confirms the Uzumaki were the only ones that could house the 9 tails. Since the Uchiha have housed the Jyubi but that's another story altogether.

Where exactly is Naruto withstanding kurama's chakra because of his own strong chakra(I haven't seen that once)? do you have scan link the pages because the last ones didn't load?


This is the only 1 I could find it's clear Kurama's internal chakra's the one healing so that explains any withstanding the damage etc.

Ps. Ignores the fact that Yamato is trying to convince Naruto not to use the kyubi chakra. Naruto himself doubts he has the power to bring Sasuke back. It that's not Yamato motivating him I don't know what is added to that he tells him he injured Sakura in that form as well



Hogaromo confirming he gave power to one (Ashura) last time. This time he gave both of the power and the result was still the same. I wonder what power he have them 6psm and rinnegan by any chance.

As for Sarada's databook(cannon databook by the way) entry it pawns your fanfic since its the author who wants us to know these things the fact is Sarada has more chakra. Don't let the :salt: burn too much calling a canon databook shoddy :lmao:

Me preferring Sasuke to Naruto even though I'm not his fan =fanfic :lmao:
You are a fool.i will waste my time replying to all this jargon.you are just a waste of space on this earth...its a pity your parent never took the initiative of flushing you out.And am done ever replying to any sordid post of yours. Naruto base should learn to assess their members psychic before allowing to join.
 
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Bee being compatible with 8 tails yet bloodline isn't isn't. The reason kurama made that statement is because his chakra was part of the nurturing Naruto (explains wiskers and 10 month pregnancy). And with him being host was natural and easier because of it.

Him being an incarnate is irrelevant has actually fodder without kurama. He was only able to I can't the jutsu because kurama's chakra raising his reserves and I chasing him in all other aspects etc.

Boruto inherited Naruto's chakra reserves according to his entry + Hyuga prodigious talent(not Hinatao's) and can only make 4 clones.
B was one out of many failed jinchuuriki, they only found him after trial and error, now compare that to Uzumaki who didn't have to sacrifice many lives to find the right jinchuuriki, their bloodline gave them the chakra to host the strongest bijuu with 0 side effects.


Him being an incarnate is the reason he had Hagoromo's potential in the first place lmao, just accept Oro isn't the prodigy you thought he was

I like how easy it was for you to avoid everything Yamato said.Him saying he could withstand Kurama's chakra because of his own
strong chakra....who's got the poor comprehension skills now fap?



Oh scan please,when did he recieve power from Hagoromo? Damn,you are more pathetic than i thought.



None of the above mentioned ever used Chakra at an amount BASE Naruto could,please get you facts right.



fanfic


proof? and no shoddy Databook....

Boruto has used more chakra in the series than Sarada...Fact!

Not really a valid point since the senju are pretty much exticnt at that point I'm still waiting for the scan confirming you need the 9 tails body. By the way the scans didnt load link the pages.



Here's 1 confirming her chakra could suppress the 9 tails. You know those chakra chains that's the reason she was chosen. By the way Naruto didnt inherit them either since it's not a kekkei Genkai. Anyway still waiting for the scan that confirms the Uzumaki were the only ones that could house the 9 tails. Since the Uchiha have housed the Jyubi but that's another story altogether.

Where exactly is Naruto withstanding kurama's chakra because of his own strong chakra(I haven't seen that once)? do you have scan link the pages because the last ones didn't load?


This is the only 1 I could find it's clear Kurama's internal chakra's the one healing so that explains any withstanding the damage etc.

Ps. Ignores the fact that Yamato is trying to convince Naruto not to use the kyubi chakra. Naruto himself doubts he has the power to bring Sasuke back. It that's not Yamato motivating him I don't know what is added to that he tells him he injured Sakura in that form as well



Hogaromo confirming he gave power to one (Ashura) last time. This time he gave both of the power and the result was still the same. I wonder what power he have them 6psm and rinnegan by any chance.

As for Sarada's databook(cannon databook by the way) entry it pawns your fanfic since its the author who wants us to know these things the fact is Sarada has more chakra. Don't let the :salt: burn too much calling a canon databook shoddy :lmao:

Me preferring Sasuke to Naruto even though I'm not his fan =fanfic :lmao:
Wait what are y'all arguing about ? Sure some Uchiha have more potent chakra than Kurama but no one aside from Ashura incarnates can have larger chakra pools than bijuu
 
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So you have nothing then just fap fic.

Hidden techniques are learnt son and especially if they're ranked the databook which explains the techniques doesn't confirm they're exclusive or special techniques. Other hidden techniques exist and ever they're unranked although techniques are learnt off of them. So you making stuff up. The databook claim they're exclusive to the uzumaki so keep fapping. Neither does say the chains are a bodily quality, a chakra quality or a life force quality of the uzumaki(making them a kekkei genkai). Now if your saying it your way that would make them a kekkei genkai.

I'm still waiting fot the databook entry that confirms they're a kekkei genkai and not a hidden fuinn barrier jutsu of A rank that is learnt. Or the entry that confirms the chains are a kekkei genkai you won't find it because they're not.

I repeat again if they awaken then why aren't they listed as a kekkei genkai since they're exclusive ro a clan as you claim? Are you telling kishi what they are instead of kishi telling you.

Like I said Orochimaru's stare mentioned must be looked at in light of this and therefore means first display otherwise they'd be kekkei genkai and listed as such which they're not.


The scan that confirms the Uzumaki have a strong body doesn't exist. I've read the manga many times, there are scans confirming their strong lifeforce nothing to do with strong bodies.

The 4th knew nothing I repeat it did he say Naruto is just fine with this strong chakra. While your ignoring the fact the 4th was nearly out of chakra, had given up his soul. I'll wait for the scan confirming him say Naruto is just fine.

You keep ignoring Mangafacts and I'll repeat this miniscule chakra(as you put it) is the root/origin of Naruto's great chakra reserves. Kakashi confirms this and like I've repeated many times but you keep ignoring facts.

A tree can't exist withour it's root. Naruto's great stamina can't exist without the 9 tails. These are mangafacts they may make you :salt:y but they're facts. If Naruto's stamina is not great without it then it's average, Kakashi is average. In case you forgot 9 tails yang chakra is 100 times Naruto's and 400 times Kakashi's. So even a little amount like 1% would put Naruto at r times Kakashi's reserves. I thought I'd remind you since you keep forgetting.

Anyway I'll wait for the scans confirming the uzumaki have strong bodies. Strong lifeforce is a given and confirmed by mangafacts.

I'll also wait for the databook entry confirming the chains are a kekkei genkai and not just a hidden jutsu.

Wait what are y'all arguing about ? Sure some Uchiha have more potent chakra than Kurama but no one aside from Ashura incarnates can have larger chakra pools than bijuu
This is simply not true the chakra needed to fight a says battle with Hashirama is huge. And aside from Hashirama and Madara demonstrating huge chakra reserves neither Sasuke or Naruto have.
 
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This is simply not true the chakra needed to fight a says battle with Hashirama is huge. And aside from Hashirama and Madara demonstrating huge chakra reserves neither Sasuke or Naruto have.
That's some prime wanking you're giving, Madara's power comes from his chakra potency not his reserves


And Naruto has the largest reserves after Hashirama

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But unlike Hashi his talent is with the amount of chakra he control, only Naruto has the ability to use SM and full powered Kurama reserves, not even Hashi is capable of that.


And btw Madara blew up from having too much chakra, so your argument goes in the trash
 

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That's some prime wanking you're giving, Madara's power comes from his chakra potency not his reserves, more potency = less chakra required to spend



And Naruto has the largest reserves after Hashirama

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But unlike Hashi his talent is with the amount of chakra he control, only Naruto has the ability to use SM and full powered Kurama reserves with 0 fatigue.



Madara blew up from having too much chakra, Naruto used comparable amounts of energy like it was nothing in VoTE 2.
This is pure fap as usual Madara has chakra reserves to fight a 24 hour battle mate. A stronger chakra doesn't mean you use less of it for your techniques unless you have a scan for this or a databook entry.

Naruto's reserves aren't his own they stem from the kyubi it's the root of Naruto's great stamina. The chakra also heals Naruto increases his recovery speed and endurance allowing him to further build his stamina reserves. They're not his own abilities. Also added to that his reserves were only 4 times Kakashi's and that was with Kurama's stamina mixing with his hardly makes his reserves naturally the second greatest after Hashirama not even close.

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As for Naruto being the only 1 able to use 9 tails and sage mode that's pure fapfic since nobody else has tried doesn't negate it's possibility.

Madara didn't blow up from having to much chakra Black zetsu was disturbing him and forcing Kaguya out. Madara was fine with it. Even the jyubi's 8 tails + 1/2 the 9 tails chakra was nothing to him. Naruto used a fraction of that in vote 2.

Ps. Once the mezo was extracted Madara's body was fully intact.
 
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B was one out of many failed jinchuuriki, they only found him after trial and error, now compare that to Uzumaki who didn't have to sacrifice many lives to find the right jinchuuriki, their bloodline gave them the chakra to host the strongest bijuu with 0 side effects.


Him being an incarnate is the reason he had Hagoromo's potential in the first place lmao, just accept Oro isn't the prodigy you thought he was
That's really not true Konoha used the Uzumaki clan because of their fuinn jutsu nothing more that special chakra kushina had was the ability to make the chakra chains which would be used in the binding seal. They by the way aren't a kekkei genkai and are a hidden A rank fuinn jutsu.

By the way what your missing is housing a tailed beast is easy that was never the problem, mito,kushina had housed it and cut it off.

The cloud didn't fail because they're jinchuriki housed the beast they failed when they tried to harness it's power and the jins became overwhelmed by its hate except Bee. Who had a reason to survivefor Ay. The same with Naruto once he tried to harness the 9 tails power he too was overcome until kushina interfered. The condition was to separate the 9 tails will from its chakra after wards the 9 tails became his friend(arsepull 2.0). Being Hogaromo's descendant was irrelevant to this fact and neither did it help him in that respect.

I think people get confused when they forget this that was the major difference between the what the cloud and leaf were doing.

What's with the Oro thing and him being a prodigy got anything to do with it. Frankly I don't care about Oro's prodigious talent.
 
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So you have nothing then just fap fic.
Rofl. That's what most if not all of your arguments are comprised of.

Hidden techniques are learnt son and especially if they're ranked the databook which explains the techniques doesn't confirm they're exclusive or special techniques. Other hidden techniques exist and ever they're unranked although techniques are learnt off of them. So you making stuff up. The databook claim they're exclusive to the uzumaki so keep fapping. Neither does say the chains are a bodily quality, a chakra quality or a life force quality of the uzumaki(making them a kekkei genkai). Now if your saying it your way that would make them a kekkei genkai.
Nope, you're the one making stuff up as always. You clearly don't understand what I'm getting at.
Both Kushina and Karin awakened the chains. Kushina at some point and Karin when facing Spiral Zetsu. This is further supported by what Orochimaru said about. After they come out, that's when you can develop them, turning them into techs, whether it's to restrain/attack/defend against opponents. That's when it's given a ranked and considered techs.
Never said they weren't exclusive to the Uzumaki, so go ahead and continue your pathetic attempts in trolling.

I'm still waiting fot the databook entry that confirms they're a kekkei genkai and not a hidden fuinn barrier jutsu of A rank that is learnt. Or the entry that confirms the chains are a kekkei genkai you won't find it because they're not.
Never said they were KKG. Find me the quote of me saying that, otherwise stop trying to put words in my mouth to justify the trash you keep spouting. Also I have no reason to provide anything to you, considering the other day I asked for scans myself and you failed to deliver. It's funny how you conveniently ignore when you're cornered.

I repeat again if they awaken then why aren't they listed as a kekkei genkai since they're exclusive ro a clan as you claim? Are you telling kishi what they are instead of kishi telling you.
Just because you awaken something doesn't mean they're KKG. The chains are made from their special chakra.
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Keep on trolling.

Like I said Orochimaru's stare mentioned must be looked at in light of this and therefore means first display otherwise they'd be kekkei genkai and listed as such which they're not.
Twisting things to your narrative again, eh?
What Orochimaru said is a clear indicator that it's the first time ever that Karin has used the chains.
Stop denying what's in the manga.

The scan that confirms the Uzumaki have a strong body doesn't exist. I've read the manga many times, there are scans confirming their strong lifeforce nothing to do with strong bodies.
Clearly you're BS'ing. Judging by what you've been spouting the past few days/weeks/months, it's obvious that you have yet to fully read and understand the manga. There are tons of feats proving they have strong bodies.

The 4th knew nothing I repeat it did he say Naruto is just fine with this strong chakra. While your ignoring the fact the 4th was nearly out of chakra, had given up his soul. I'll wait for the scan confirming him say Naruto is just fine.
Bruh...
Go and read the manga and you'll know what I state is true.
I'm done providing scans, especially when they fall on deaf ears. Then there's the fact that you didn't deliver when 'I' asked for scans.

You keep ignoring Mangafacts and I'll repeat this miniscule chakra(as you put it) is the root/origin of Naruto's great chakra reserves. Kakashi confirms this and like I've repeated many times but you keep ignoring facts.
Nope. It's you who keeps ignoring Mangafacts.
As I already said, when you look at Naruto and Kurama as a whole, it's clear that the majority of the chakra reserves come from Kurama, but to say that Naruto's own would be non existent is foolish and outright dumb.
Keep ignoring the facts, but it still won't change a thing regarding Naruto still possessing greater than average reserves.

A tree can't exist withour it's root.
Drill this into your head, fap.
Naruto isn't a tree. Naruto possessed chakra before he was a jin. Maybe you'd have a point if Naruto was born w/ Kurama.

Naruto's great stamina can't exist without the 9 tails. These are mangafacts they may make you :salt:y but they're facts. If Naruto's stamina is not great without it then it's average, Kakashi is average. In case you forgot 9 tails yang chakra is 100 times Naruto's and 400 times Kakashi's. So even a little amount like 1% would put Naruto at r times Kakashi's reserves. I thought I'd remind you since you keep forgetting.
Not quite. Naruto w/ the 9 tails possesses remarkably high stamina, but without the 9 tails, it goes down considerably. However he'd still have great stamina himself. These are facts that your salty ass can ignore all you want, but it won't change a thing. Naruto's reserves would be higher than that of Kakashi. Facts are facts, despite you conveniently forgetting them.

Anyway I'll wait for the scans confirming the uzumaki have strong bodies. Strong lifeforce is a given and confirmed by mangafacts.
I asked for scans myself, yet you chose not to deliver, so why should I? There are plenty of feats in the manga. Give it a read and you'll realize it yourself, unless you keep staying in denial.

I'll also wait for the databook entry confirming the chains are a kekkei genkai and not just a hidden jutsu.
I asked for scans myself, yet you chose not to deliver, so why should I? Also I never claimed they were KKG. Quote me on when I said that otherwise stop spouting nonsense.(Though knowing you, that's impossible)
 

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Rofl. That's what most if not all of your arguments are comprised of.



Nope, you're the one making stuff up as always. You clearly don't understand what I'm getting at.
Both Kushina and Karin awakened the chains. Kushina at some point and Karin when facing Spiral Zetsu. This is further supported by what Orochimaru said about. After they come out, that's when you can develop them, turning them into techs, whether it's to restrain/attack/defend against opponents. That's when it's given a ranked and considered techs.
Never said they weren't exclusive to the Uzumaki, so go ahead and continue your pathetic attempts in trolling.



Never said they were KKG. Find me the quote of me saying that, otherwise stop trying to put words in my mouth to justify the trash you keep spouting. Also I have no reason to provide anything to you, considering the other day I asked for scans myself and you failed to deliver. It's funny how you conveniently ignore when you're cornered.



Just because you awaken something doesn't mean they're KKG. The chains are made from their special chakra.
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Keep on trolling.



Twisting things to your narrative again, eh?
What Orochimaru said is a clear indicator that it's the first time ever that Karin has used the chains.
Stop denying what's in the manga.



Clearly you're BS'ing. Judging by what you've been spouting the past few days/weeks/months, it's obvious that you have yet to fully read and understand the manga. There are tons of feats proving they have strong bodies.



Bruh...
Go and read the manga and you'll know what I state is true.
I'm done providing scans, especially when they fall on deaf ears. Then there's the fact that you didn't deliver when 'I' asked for scans.



Nope. It's you who keeps ignoring Mangafacts.
As I already said, when you look at Naruto and Kurama as a whole, it's clear that the majority of the chakra reserves come from Kurama, but to say that Naruto's own would be non existent is foolish and outright dumb.
Keep ignoring the facts, but it still won't change a thing regarding Naruto still possessing greater than average reserves.



Drill this into your head, fap.
Naruto isn't a tree. Naruto possessed chakra before he was a jin. Maybe you'd have a point if Naruto was born w/ Kurama.



Not quite. Naruto w/ the 9 tails possesses remarkably high stamina, but without the 9 tails, it goes down considerably. However he'd still have great stamina himself. These are facts that your salty ass can ignore all you want, but it won't change a thing. Naruto's reserves would be higher than that of Kakashi. Facts are facts, despite you conveniently forgetting them.



I asked for scans myself, yet you chose not to deliver, so why should I? There are plenty of feats in the manga. Give it a read and you'll realize it yourself, unless you keep staying in denial.



I asked for scans myself, yet you chose not to deliver, so why should I? Also I never claimed they were KKG. Quote me on when I said that otherwise stop spouting nonsense.(Though knowing you, that's impossible)
Are the chains an exclusive quality of the Uzumaki?
If they're exclusive and requires their chakra they fall into kkg if they're not exclusive and don't require their chakra they're just a jutsu. Which they're listed as in the databook.

If something is woken it's a kekkei Genkai or it's unique to a clan because of their quality it's a kekkei genkai. The databook doesn't use any such claims. Or support that fanfic your fapping too.

Your a pure fapper you claim if you awaken something it doesn't make it a kekkei Genkai:lmao: got any examples. Kekkei Genkai are exclusive jutsu that belong to a clan or members of it and can't be learnt or taught outside. That son is a kekkei Genkai.

Neither the databook or the manga claims these chains are exclusive to the Uzumaki or made from their special chakra. in fact the databook doesn't even say you need special chakra to learn them neither does the manga say you need their special chakra to learn them. The databook is clear the chain are a hidden,fuinn,barrier jutsu and it lists Karin chain as a hidden jutsu not as a kekkei Genkai. Hidden jutsu are learnt unless you have any proof that somebody acquired hidden jutsu that aren't kekkei Genkai without learning them.

I require scans not a snippet quote sir fapalot of somebody's interpretation.

I'm not going to argue I want scans confirming that the Uzumaki have great bodies and the 4th said Naruto can bare Kurama's chakra because of his great body.

I want proof for all the above claims.

I repeat Naruto's great Stamina comes from kurama who is at the root of it. Without kurama the great Stamina becomes non existent it falls into the average or below average camp. I say average because that's normal.
You still claim Naruto Naruto would have great Stamina even though the root of his great Stamina is kurama. :lmao: facts are facts the root of great Stamina is kurama therefore no kurama equals no great Stamina.

Anyway scans and examples as I requested please and not your fap. Thanks.
 

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Rofl. That's what most if not all of your arguments are comprised of.



Nope, you're the one making stuff up as always. You clearly don't understand what I'm getting at.
Both Kushina and Karin awakened the chains. Kushina at some point and Karin when facing Spiral Zetsu. This is further supported by what Orochimaru said about. After they come out, that's when you can develop them, turning them into techs, whether it's to restrain/attack/defend against opponents. That's when it's given a ranked and considered techs.
Never said they weren't exclusive to the Uzumaki, so go ahead and continue your pathetic attempts in trolling.



Never said they were KKG. Find me the quote of me saying that, otherwise stop trying to put words in my mouth to justify the trash you keep spouting. Also I have no reason to provide anything to you, considering the other day I asked for scans myself and you failed to deliver. It's funny how you conveniently ignore when you're cornered.



Just because you awaken something doesn't mean they're KKG. The chains are made from their special chakra.
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Keep on trolling.



Twisting things to your narrative again, eh?
What Orochimaru said is a clear indicator that it's the first time ever that Karin has used the chains.
Stop denying what's in the manga.



Clearly you're BS'ing. Judging by what you've been spouting the past few days/weeks/months, it's obvious that you have yet to fully read and understand the manga. There are tons of feats proving they have strong bodies.



Bruh...
Go and read the manga and you'll know what I state is true.
I'm done providing scans, especially when they fall on deaf ears. Then there's the fact that you didn't deliver when 'I' asked for scans.



Nope. It's you who keeps ignoring Mangafacts.
As I already said, when you look at Naruto and Kurama as a whole, it's clear that the majority of the chakra reserves come from Kurama, but to say that Naruto's own would be non existent is foolish and outright dumb.
Keep ignoring the facts, but it still won't change a thing regarding Naruto still possessing greater than average reserves.



Drill this into your head, fap.
Naruto isn't a tree. Naruto possessed chakra before he was a jin. Maybe you'd have a point if Naruto was born w/ Kurama.



Not quite. Naruto w/ the 9 tails possesses remarkably high stamina, but without the 9 tails, it goes down considerably. However he'd still have great stamina himself. These are facts that your salty ass can ignore all you want, but it won't change a thing. Naruto's reserves would be higher than that of Kakashi. Facts are facts, despite you conveniently forgetting them.



I asked for scans myself, yet you chose not to deliver, so why should I? There are plenty of feats in the manga. Give it a read and you'll realize it yourself, unless you keep staying in denial.



I asked for scans myself, yet you chose not to deliver, so why should I? Also I never claimed they were KKG. Quote me on when I said that otherwise stop spouting nonsense.(Though knowing you, that's impossible)
Actually chakra chains ARE kekkei genkai, they're made of special chakra that Kushina made clear only her clan possesses. Uzumaki were the ones to inherit Gedo traits whereas Senju inherited the Juubi's mokuton. All in all Ashura's bloodline is what grants Kushina and Karin their ability.
 

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Actually chakra chains ARE kekkei genkai, they're made of special chakra that Kushina made clear only her clan possesses. Uzumaki were the ones to inherit Gedo traits whereas Senju inherited the Juubi's mokuton. All in all Ashura's bloodline is what grants Kushina and Karin their ability.
Thats the point I'm making if something originates from a chakra quality, Or a specific clan trait that is inherited they'd be a kekkei Genkai.

However they're not a kekkei Genkai and are a secret hidden barrier sealing jutsu as classified in the databook. They make the chakra special being suited for purpose(restraining) not like what people think. And there have never been listed any special requirements for gaining the chains. The databook is clear on this.

My belief is they're related to yin release and that's the special requirement since both users possess yin but both don't possess yang. Essentially they are producing form from nothing but require chakra.
 
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Thats the point I'm making if something originates from a chakra quality, Or a specific clan trait that is inherited they'd be a kekkei Genkai.

However they're not a kekkei Genkai and are a secret hidden barrier sealing jutsu as classified in the databook. They make the chakra special being suited for purpose(restraining) not like what people think. And there have never been listed any special requirements for gaining the chains. The databook is clear on this.

My belief is they're related to yin release and that's the special requirement since both users possess yin but both don't possess yang. Essentially they are producing form from nothing but require chakra.
Hiden jutsu can still be Kekkei genkai ,Uzumaki DNA is what grants them the special chakra to use the Gedo's feats.


Think of it this way, the Gedo's life force was passed down to Naruto's clan and even though life energy isn't a KKG by definition it's still determined by their special bloodline. The same applies with chakra chains and bijuu/Senjutsu compatibility.
 

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Hiden jutsu can still be Kekkei genkai ,Uzumaki DNA is what grants them the special chakra to use the Gedo's feats.


Think of it this way, the Gedo's life force was passed down to Naruto's clan and even though life energy isn't a KKG by definition it's still determined by their special bloodline. The same applies with chakra chains and bijuu/Senjutsu compatibility.
Absolute nonsense a hidden jutsu can't be a kekkei Genkai in and off of itself. Your speculating heavily now to justify this belief. It's neither listed as unique to them or as a kekkei Genkai I'll make it clear neither does it say in the databook they can do it because of their special chakra.

If a hidden jutsu is dependent on a kekkei Genkai it's listed as kekkei Genkai, hidden(64 palms because its kekkei genkai dependant) and its also unranked.the uzumaki chains fit into that either. The databook purpose is to expand and explain the jutsu and abilities.

Like I've said i beleive the apecial chakra is yin release so they can form the chains from chakra then use the jutsu. Nothing to so with lifeforce and neither does kushina possess yang release so nothing to do with that either.

As for the claim about lifeforce, strong bodies, yang energy they're not listed as kekkei Genkai since non senju can possess them as well. It's not a prerequisite to be a senju or uzumaki a trait can be more prevalent. Now until Kishi's lists them as kekkei Genkai they're not kekkei Genkai you'll just have to accept that.
 
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Are the chains an exclusive quality of the Uzumaki?
If they're exclusive and requires their chakra they fall into kkg if they're not exclusive and don't require their chakra they're just a jutsu. Which they're listed as in the databook.
Do you have a scan of Non-Uzumaki's using those same type of chains? If not, then they are indeed exclusive to the Uzumaki. It's something they awaken and once awoken can be developed turning them into techs. Whether for defense or offense.

If something is woken it's a kekkei Genkai or it's unique to a clan because of their quality it's a kekkei genkai. The databook doesn't use any such claims. Or support that fanfic your fapping too.
Yet what Orochimaru said heavily implies that it's something you awaken. Never has it been said that it's something you learn.
Manga>Your fapfic databook.
Stay in denial.

Your a pure fapper you claim if you awaken something it doesn't make it a kekkei Genkai:lmao: got any examples.
And you're a pure troll that can't accept things for what they are. :lmao:
It's something you awaken and you don't have any examples, I repeat, any examples stating that the chakra chains themselves is something you learn. But go on, stick to your sad fanfics.

Kekkei Genkai are exclusive jutsu that belong to a clan or members of it and can't be learnt or taught outside. That son is a kekkei Genkai.
By what you are saying, then I suppose it would be KKG then. Since no one else other than Uzumaki's are able to produce those chains. If they're merely techs, then others could utilize them. But that isn't the case now is it? :win:

Neither the databook or the manga claims these chains are exclusive to the Uzumaki or made from their special chakra. in fact the databook doesn't even say you need special chakra to learn them neither does the manga say you need their special chakra to learn them. The databook is clear the chain are a hidden,fuinn,barrier jutsu and it lists Karin chain as a hidden jutsu not as a kekkei Genkai. Hidden jutsu are learnt unless you have any proof that somebody acquired hidden jutsu that aren't kekkei Genkai without learning them.
You really are a next level type of retard huh?
If they are not exclusive to the Uzumaki, then show me anyone else that isn't Uzumaki utilizing those same type of chains.
This alone completely and utterly destroys your illogical fanfic made paragraph neg diff. :
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Get yourself informed kid. It will do you a whole lot of good, and hopefully prevent you from spewing such nonsense.

I require scans not a snippet quote sir fapalot of somebody's interpretation.
Search for them yourself fap. Refer to my previous post regarding this matter. Otherwise stop whining like a little baby.

I'm not going to argue I want scans confirming that the Uzumaki have great bodies and the 4th said Naruto can bare Kurama's chakra because of his great body. I want proof for all the above claims.
Refer to my previous post regarding this matter. Also as I have repeatedly told you, there are plenty of feats showcasing that they have great bodies. Though knowing you, you'll just conveniently ignore this.


I repeat Naruto's great Stamina comes from kurama who is at the root of it.
When looking at Naruto and Kurama as a whole, it's clear that Kurama possesses the majority of the stamina. Taking Kurama out of the equation, Naruto is left with above average reserves.

Without kurama the great Stamina becomes non existent it falls into the average or below average camp. I say average because that's normal.
Non-Existent = not existing, or not real or present.
^Clearly that won't be the case for Naruto.
His reserves would be above average.

You still claim Naruto Naruto would have great Stamina even though the root of his great Stamina is kurama. :lmao: facts are facts the root of great Stamina is kurama therefore no kurama equals no great Stamina.
No, I claim that his reserves will no longer be extraordinary. He'd be left with above average reserves, not average or below average as you persistently claim. :lmao:
^^^ These are facts, whether your fap mind wants to accept it or not.

Anyway scans and examples as I requested please and not your fap. Thanks.
Search for them yourself fap. Refer to my previous post regarding this matter. Otherwise stop whining like a little baby.




Every thread you and nick are circle jerking each other.

Just go PM him.
lol. I agree. Every argument that he engages with me, ends with him circle jerking.

I'm merely having fun rustling the hell out of the kid.

That was a response to Senseisama, anyway Nick likes to fapalot so I've knighted him as sir fapalot.
Ehh, this holds no weight, considering the BS you spew on a daily basis.
Which is why I dubbed you Salacancer, since you are nothing but cancer to NB.

The problem with Nick is he quotes people and then starts fapping so I'll stop resonating if he stops quoting or provides the evidence(which he won't be able to) I've asked for.
Completely untrue and deep down you know it. You keep bashing/degrading/insulting/belittling characters you don't like, even when it's uncalled for. On top of that, most of your arguments are filled with fanfic. Basically you twist the story to fit your narrative. Just so you know, I don't intend on stopping from replying to your quotes, even if I've already debunked/disproved/destroyed the garbage you've been spouting. It takes no time doing so. :sigar:

You say that and then you do the opposite.

I legit don't see the difference between you two other than both of your bias towards Hinata/Hanabi/Sasuke/Sakura
He's a confirmed basher of characters he doesn't like. I only do so, when it calls for it. I never start the train.
When you call him out on it, the dude throws a temper tantrum and brings all kinds of things not relating to the topic at hand. It's hilarious tbh. :lol
 

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Do you have a scan of Non-Uzumaki's using those same type of chains? If not, then they are indeed exclusive to the Uzumaki. It's something they awaken and once awoken can be developed turning them into techs. Whether for defense or offense.



Yet what Orochimaru said heavily implies that it's something you awaken. Never has it been said that it's something you learn.
Manga>Your fapfic databook.
Stay in denial.



And you're a pure troll that can't accept things for what they are. :lmao:
It's something you awaken and you don't have any examples, I repeat, any examples stating that the chakra chains themselves is something you learn. But go on, stick to your sad fanfics.



By what you are saying, then I suppose it would be KKG then. Since no one else other than Uzumaki's are able to produce those chains. If they're merely techs, then others could utilize them. But that isn't the case now is it? :win:



You really are a next level type of retard huh?
If they are not exclusive to the Uzumaki, then show me anyone else that isn't Uzumaki utilizing those same type of chains.
This alone completely and utterly destroys your illogical fanfic made paragraph neg diff. :
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Get yourself informed kid. It will do you a whole lot of good, and hopefully prevent you from spewing such nonsense.



Search for them yourself fap. Refer to my previous post regarding this matter. Otherwise stop whining like a little baby.



Refer to my previous post regarding this matter. Also as I have repeatedly told you, there are plenty of feats showcasing that they have great bodies. Though knowing you, you'll just conveniently ignore this.




When looking at Naruto and Kurama as a whole, it's clear that Kurama possesses the majority of the stamina. Taking Kurama out of the equation, Naruto is left with above average reserves.



Non-Existent = not existing, or not real or present.
^Clearly that won't be the case for Naruto.
His reserves would be above average.



No, I claim that his reserves will no longer be extraordinary. He'd be left with above average reserves, not average or below average as you persistently claim. :lmao:
^^^ These are facts, whether your fap mind wants to accept it or not.



Search for them yourself fap. Refer to my previous post regarding this matter. Otherwise stop whining like a little baby
So nothing but fanfic you restrict something to a clan when kishi doesn't. Hidden jutsu are hidden for a reason to try and keep them secret and they're not kekkei Genkai but you fail. The only time something becomes a exclusive to a clan or a group is when kishi turns it into a kekkei Genkai.

Kishi's databook pawns your fapfic and he doesn't say they're awakened by the Uzumaki stay mad he doesn't even list them as kekkei Genkai but Hiden(secret) jutsu. Even karins chains are classed as a hidden(secret) jutsu and theyre just manifested chains. I'm still waiting for the scans like I said not your fap fic.

You keep posting a snippet of somebody's opinion(not from the manga or the databook) to try and say they're exclusive to the Uzumaki clan because of special chakra but Kishi doesn't say that and instead lists them as hidden jutsu.

The special chakra is yin release (give form from nothing) when an Uzumaki has yin release they're taught the chains jutsu which is a hidden(secret) technique that is all. Granted this is how I view it because kushina doesn't have yang release but both users of the chain have yin release.

I want official Kishi's statement restricting their exclusivevity to the Uzumaki kishi doesnt do this. It's like saying nobody but Nara clan can use shadow bind therefore it's a kekkei Genkai when we know that's not the case it's a hidden jutsu so they don't teach it to others to keep it secret.

You don't need to keep kekkei Genkai related jutsu a secret or exclusive(because of blood body or chakra) jutsu a secret since they can't be replicated:lmao:

I look forward to you bringing proof they're kekkei Genkai since kishi disagrees with you. And their isn't any but you keep fapping.

I'm still waiting for the scans where the 4th confirmed Naruto can take the 9 tails because of his own strong body and that the Uzumaki have strong bodies. I don't want your fap I want the scans. I have read your precious post and its pure fap I'm waiting for the scans or a databook entry.

It's as clear as day if something is responsible for the great Stamina and its no longer there the stamina is no longer great. Above average is pure fapfic on your part and theirs nothing to substantiate it. Only you believe it would still be above average.

Oh by the way the scan snippet you posted of Ashura in the whole page it confirms he didn't awaken the power on his own :salt:y fapper.



He never awoke the power on his own he needed help something you conveniently omitted.

Sir fapalot claims kishi's databook < manga because it destroys his fanfic interpetation. When kishi wrote it to explain the details of characters, jutsu stats and affinities as he(kishi) views them :lmao:

Bring the proof or admit your a fapper.
 
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