Again I see the haterfic that Naruto without Kurama would be fodder, although everybody perfectly know that Naruto without Kurama in his body from his birth would be stronger than what he his.
Naruto would have a better chakra control from his birth.
Naruto mastered rasengan in days, Tsunade and Jiraiya said that was prodigious, and he did that with Kurama as a handicap.Without Kurama altering his chakra control he would be a prodigious prodigy.And the same reasonning can be made with sage mode, he was better than Jiraiya in less time of training with Kurama altering...
So nothing but fanfic you restrict something to a clan when kishi doesn't. Hidden jutsu are hidden for a reason to try and keep them secret and they're not kekkei Genkai but you fail. The only time something becomes a exclusive to a clan or a group is when kishi turns it into a kekkei Genkai.
Kishi's databook pawns your fapfic and he doesn't say they're awakened by the Uzumaki stay mad he doesn't even list them as kekkei Genkai but Hiden(secret) jutsu. Even karins chains are classed as a hidden(secret) jutsu and theyre just manifested chains. I'm still waiting for the scans like I said not your fap fic.
You keep posting a snippet of somebody's opinion(not from the manga or the databook) to try and say they're exclusive to the Uzumaki clan because of special chakra but Kishi doesn't say that and instead lists them as hidden jutsu.
The special chakra is yin release (give form from nothing) when an Uzumaki has yin release they're taught the chains jutsu which is a hidden(secret) technique that is all. Granted this is how I view it because kushina doesn't have yang release but both users of the chain have yin release.
I want official Kishi's statement restricting their exclusivevity to the Uzumaki kishi doesnt do this. It's like saying nobody but Nara clan can use shadow bind therefore it's a kekkei Genkai when we know that's not the case it's a hidden jutsu so they don't teach it to others to keep it secret.
You don't need to keep kekkei Genkai related jutsu a secret or exclusive(because of blood body or chakra) jutsu a secret since they can't be replicated
I look forward to you bringing proof they're kekkei Genkai since kishi disagrees with you. And their isn't any but you keep fapping.
I'm still waiting for the scans where the 4th confirmed Naruto can take the 9 tails because of his own strong body and that the Uzumaki have strong bodies. I don't want your fap I want the scans. I have read your precious post and its pure fap I'm waiting for the scans or a databook entry.
It's as clear as day if something is responsible for the great Stamina and its no longer there the stamina is no longer great. Above average is pure fapfic on your part and theirs nothing to substantiate it. Only you believe it would still be above average.
Oh by the way the scan snippet you posted of Ashura in the whole page it confirms he didn't awaken the power on his own :salt:y fapper.
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He never awoke the power on his own he needed help something you conveniently omitted.
Sir fapalot claims kishi's databook < manga because it destroys his fanfic interpetation. When kishi wrote it to explain the details of characters, jutsu stats and affinities as he(kishi) views them
Flying thunder god required 4 jonin just to use. Minato was able to supress Kurama via seal while Kushina was in labor for hours upon hours. Despite that he was still able to teleport a bijuu bomb, summon gamabunta, FTG multiple times and then teleport an entire bijuu by himself.
I think Naruto's reserves would have been fine as he matured making Toad Sage Mode very much possible.
If he were to be properly taught by Minato, Jiraiya, Kushina, and Fukasaku. He'd be comfortably higher than iruka. But then again, if he didn't have Kurama, the plotline would be completely different making your claim conjecture and speculation. As with mine.
Due to the fact that:
He wouldn't have been chosen to be Ashua due to having his parents, Kushina still being a jinchuriki, and the village treating him with respect and him not being alone.
The Uchiha situation would be different due to Minato still being the Hokage. Possibly meaning Sasuke wouldn't have been chosen to be Indra.
Flying thunder god required 4 jonin just to use. Minato was able to supress Kurama via seal while Kushina was in labor for hours upon hours. Despite that he was still able to teleport a bijuu bomb, summon gamabunta, FTG multiple times and then teleport an entire bijuu by himself.
I think Naruto's reserves would have been fine as he matured making Toad Sage Mode very much possible.
If he were to be properly taught by Minato, Jiraiya, Kushina, and Fukasaku. He'd be comfortably higher than iruka. But then again, if he didn't have Kurama, the plotline would be completely different making your claim conjecture and speculation. As with mine.
Due to the fact that:
He wouldn't have been chosen to be Ashua due to having his parents, Kushina still being a jinchuriki, and the village treating him with respect and him not being alone.
The Uchiha situation would be different due to Minato still being the Hokage. Possibly meaning Sasuke wouldn't have been chosen to be Indra.
Ftg was because of complexity not because of reserves. I agree Minato was above average nobody is debating Minato or his reserves.
Naruto not so much since talent isn't inherited for Ashura's side. The the sage made that clear when he pretty much said to Naruto you didn't inherit anything from your parents (I'm para phrasing). Hed definitely be a different type of ninja without kurama that's for sure.
Being Ashura incarnate or Indra incarnate is nothing to do with the situation your in. So that would've still happened whether it would be the same situation I doubt it. Thats to do with death and birth cycle.
Ftg was because of complexity not because of reserves. I agree Minato was above average nobody is debating Minato or his reserves.
Naruto not so much since talent isn't inherited for Ashura's side. The the sage made that clear when he pretty much said to Naruto you didn't inherit anything from your parents (I'm para phrasing).
Being Ashura incarnate or Indra incarnate is nothing to do with the situation your in. So that would've still happened whether it would be the same situation I doubt it. Thats to do with death and birth cycle.
It actually wouldn't have happened the same way. You're speculating. Indra and Ashura wouldn't have chosen Naruto & Sasuke. The prophecy wouldn't have been about him at all.
The sage said, not always. His reserves wouldn't be close to how it is when he was a jin but given his parents and teachers, to say he'd be iruka status is ignorance.
Especially given his work ethic being on the same level as Sasuke.
It actually wouldn't have happened the same way. You're speculating. Indra and Ashura wouldn't have chosen Naruto & Sasuke. The prophecy wouldn't have been about him at all.
The sage said, not always. His reserves wouldn't be close to how it is when he was a jin but given his parents and teachers, to say he'd be iruka status is ignorance.
Nope unless you have a scan where the sage says you were chosen by Ashura or Indra because of your situation which Indra and Ashura wouldn't be privy to beforehand. Your making that part up.
The sage says not always and then referenced Naruto saying youd know about that. His teachers and parents don't equal his reserves even among the incarnates their are severe discrepancies in reserves. Iruka has average chakra reserves as does Kakashi. When I say Iruka instead of Kakashi it's so people don't confuse his skill level for kakashi's. And being an Ashura incarnate and lacking the skills just like Ashura he'd need a lot of teaching and help. Without the great stamina, recovery speed and enedurance afforded to Naruto so he can binshin spam to increase his training speed he'd be average.
I accept hed likely be a different type of ninja that's for sure what type nobody really knows(except kishi).
Nope unless you have a scan where the sage says you were chosen by Ashura or Indra because of your situation which Indra and Ashura wouldn't be privy to beforehand. Your making that part up.
The sage says not always and then referenced Naruto saying youd know about that. His teachers and parents don't equal his reserves even among the incarnates their are severe discrepancies in reserves. Iruka has average chakra reserves as does Kakashi. When I say Iruka instead of Kakashi it's so people don't confuse his skill level for kakashi's. And being an Ashura incarnate and lacking the skills just like Ashura he'd need a lot of teaching and help. Without the great stamina, recovery speed and enedurance afforded to Naruto so he can binshin spam to increase his training speed he'd be average.
I accept hed likely be a different type of ninja that's for sure what type nobody really knows(except kishi).
They were chosen due to plot. Indra and Ashura chose those two for a reason.
Your, "what-if" story is outside of the plot kishimoto made making everything you're saying conjecture and speculation as with mine.
For all we know, the exact situation and timing of everything had a direct correlation with the prophecy, Indra, Ashura and their bonds. You're essentially painting a whole new plot.
Hell, the one with blue eyes to reunite the bijuu could have turned out to be Minato in this new plotline.
They were chosen due to plot. Indra and Ashura chose those two for a reason.
Your, "what-if" story is outside of the plot kishimoto made making everything you're saying conjecture and speculation as with mine.
For all we know, the exact situation and timing of everything had a direct correlation with the prophecy, Indra, Ashura and their bonds. You're essentially painting a whole new plot.
Hell, the one with blue eyes to reunite the bijuu could have turned out to be Minato in this new plotline.
Not at all we were discussing Naruto's power level and you change it to transmigration. They were chosen because they were next in the line after the precious cycle ended nothing more and nothing less. Madara delayed the cycle by staying alive that is all.
They weren't chosen to fullfill a prophecy that just happened because of the other circumstances.
If you have a scan or databook entry confirming the reasons for transmigration to those two other than Madara's death. The timing of which coincides with the birth of Sasuke and shortly after of Naruto as Indra and Ashura descendants I'll accept your version.
Ps. I don't give a toss about the prophecy since it's not relevant to the chakra discussion and its off topic.
And your right it could be any boy with blue eyes.
Not at all we were discussing Naruto's power level and you change it to transmigration. They were chosen because they were next in the line after the precious cycle ended nothing more and nothing less. Madara delayed the cycle by staying alive that is all.
They weren't chosen to fullfill a prophecy that just happened because of the situation that is all.
If you have the sage scan confirming the reasons for transmigration to those two other than Madara's death and the timing coinciding with the birth of Sasuke and shortly after of Naruto as an Indra and Ashura descendant I'll accept your version.
Ps. I don't give a toss about the prophecy since it's not relevant to the chakra discussion and its off topic.
And your right it could be any boy with blue eyes.
Look at how they lived their lives. Thats exactly why they were next in line. It was a pre-determined decision based on the events occured in their life.
If those events never occurred there would be no point of them being transmigrants. Sasuke wouldnt be a loner, Naruto would have people's respect etc.
The discussion of Naruto's chakra without kurama is speculation as his genetic code is from Kushina, minato and kushina. jin or not he had traits of a bijuu. It's all opinion at the end of the day on that matter.
Look at how they lived their lives. Thats exactly why they were next in line. It was a pre-determined decision based on the events occured in their life.
If those events never occurred there would be no point of them being transmigrants. Sasuke wouldnt be a loner, Naruto would have people's respect etc.
The discussion of Naruto's chakra without kurama is speculation as his genetic code is from Kushina, minato and kushina. jin or not he had traits of a bijuu. It's all opinion at the end of the day on that matter.
The reason for transmigration is nothing to do with circumstances but one cycle of birth/death ending and another beginning. Those are the facts of the manga.
Sasuke being a loner or not would have no bearing on him being an Indra incarnate. That's largely to do with personality types.
The same for Naruto having everybody's respect has no bearing on him being an Ashura incarnate since Ashura believed in cooperation. Anyway that's a personality trait.
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Black zetsu confirms it's uncommon but incarnates do work together etc. Meaning they're all different they don't take on the total of their predecessor.
Like I said the incarnate cycle is nothing to with circumstances or situations but 1 birth/death cycle ending and another beginning provided there are those present for them to be born. As an example if Sasuke died in the final fight there were no more Uchiha the cycle of Indra would come to an end.
The discussion on Naruto's chakra is speculative but relevant because kishi made a point of mentioning it and emphasised the reason for it via kakashi. Then again via the sage about not inheriting from parents when explaining to Naruto about Ashura.
Not fanfic. I'm not restricting anything. You're the one with the claim of saying that anybody can learn to use those chains, when the manga(kishi) says otherwise. Stop reaching.
Hidden jutsu are hidden for a reason to try and keep them secret and they're not kekkei Genkai but you fail.
Show me a scan of a Non-Uzumaki displaying similar chains or having the special chakra to do so.
Can't?
Yeah that's what I thought.
Kishi's databook pawns your fapfic and he doesn't say they're awakened by the Uzumaki stay mad he doesn't even list them as kekkei Genkai but Hiden(secret) jutsu.
Nope. Your fapfics don't do crap. Orochimaru's statement that is in the damn manga(which you should thoroughly read, so you don't keep looking like such a fool), implies Karin at that moment awakened the chains, which he said was similar to that of Kushina's. Stay mad and in delusion.
Even karins chains are classed as a hidden(secret) jutsu and theyre just manifested chains. I'm still waiting for the scans like I said not your fap fic.
The chains themselves are classified as hidden(secret) jutsu, however judging by what Oro said, she had never used them before, meaning at that moment she awoken them through her special chakra. She never learned beforehand to use them. I've already proved this and destroyed your pathetic fapfics.
You keep posting a snippet of somebody's opinion(not from the manga or the databook) to try and say they're exclusive to the Uzumaki clan because of special chakra but Kishi doesn't say that and instead lists them as hidden jutsu.
Yet you can't disprove what I've been saying.
Also not opinion, but fact backed by the manga in regards to what Oro said. Kushina also notes that she was born with special chakra. The chains manifested from that special chakra. Only the Uzumaki's have shown to possess it.
Deal with it.
The special chakra is yin release (give form from nothing) when an Uzumaki has yin release they're taught the chains jutsu which is a hidden(secret) technique that is all. Granted this is how I view it because kushina doesn't have yang release but both users of the chain have yin release.
Yet, Karin awakened the chains with no prior teachings. So no, it's not something you simply learn. Even then, if you were right, who taught Karin? It was never noted that there were attempts in producing those chains.
I want official Kishi's statement restricting their exclusivevity to the Uzumaki kishi doesnt do this. It's like saying nobody but Nara clan can use shadow bind therefore it's a kekkei Genkai when we know that's not the case it's a hidden jutsu so they don't teach it to others to keep it secret.
I want official Kishi's statement unrestricting their exclusivity to the Uzumaki kishi doesn't do this.
Face it bruh, there isn't a shred of evidence that the chains are outright taught. They are awakened and then developed, either to use it as offense or defense.
You don't need to keep kekkei Genkai related jutsu a secret or exclusive(because of blood body or chakra) jutsu a secret since they can't be replicated
I look forward to you bringing actual proof that they're taught since Kishi disagrees with you. And there clearly isn't any, but you keep fapping and denying the truth.
I'm still waiting for the scans where the 4th confirmed Naruto can take the 9 tails because of his own strong body and that the Uzumaki have strong bodies. I don't want your fap I want the scans.
Proof is in the manga, obviously. There are also tons of feats to back it up.
In regards to scans, I have no obligation to present them. Since beforehand I asked for scans myself and you basically conveniently ignored it. Then there's the fact, that anything/anyone that disagrees with you is considered pure fanfic, even when in reality it's stone cold facts. This is a daily thing with you. You are literally fapfic incarnate.
I have read your precious post and its pure fap I'm waiting for the scans or a databook entry.
Didn't conveniently omit anything. That's just you on damage control. XD
Also the scan above I provided clearly says the chakra within his body bloomed and gained the same power as his brother.
What Hago mean't in your scan, is that Ashura found strength in others. The people that stood behind Ashura gave him strength. Meaning, not in terms of physical strength/power. Then by suffering and training hard he himself attained that power.
Sir fapalot claims kishi's databook < manga because it destroys his fanfic interpetation.
Mind posting the bit of him saying that the chains are learned and not awoken? That anyone could learn it.
If not, then stay in denial and in your little fapfic world.
Not fanfic. I'm not restricting anything. You're the one with the claim of saying that anybody can learn to use those chains, when the manga(kishi) says otherwise. Stop reaching.
No, you fail as always idiot.
They are awakened, then once awoken developed. The scan of Orochimaru supports my argument and debunks yours.
Show me a scan of a Non-Uzumaki displaying similar chains or having the special chakra to do so.
Can't?
Yeah that's what I thought.
Nope. Your fapfics don't do crap. Orochimaru's statement that is in the damn manga(which you should thoroughly read, so you don't keep looking like such a fool), implies Karin at that moment awakened the chains, which he said was similar to that of Kushina's. Stay mad and in delusion.
The chains themselves are classified as hidden(secret) jutsu, however judging by what Oro said, she had never used them before, meaning at that moment she awoken them through her special chakra. She never learned beforehand to use them. I've already proved this and destroyed your pathetic fapfics.
Yet you can't disprove what I've been saying.
Also not opinion, but fact backed by the manga in regards to what Oro said. Kushina also notes that she was born with special chakra. The chains manifested from that special chakra. Only the Uzumaki's have shown to possess it.
Deal with it.
Yet, Karin awakened the chains with no prior teachings. So no, it's not something you simply learn. Even then, if you were right, who taught Karin? It was never noted that there were attempts in producing those chains.
Except you don't awaken the use of "Shadow bind".
I want official Kishi's statement unrestricting their exclusivity to the Uzumaki kishi doesn't do this.
Face it bruh, there isn't a shred of evidence that the chains are outright taught. They are awakened and then developed, either to use it as offense or defense.
Again, you're basically saying that anyone could produce those chains if taught, even non Uzumaki's, which when all things considered, isn't the case.
I look forward to you bringing actual proof that they're taught since Kishi disagrees with you. And there clearly isn't any, but you keep fapping and denying the truth.
Proof is in the manga, obviously. There are also tons of feats to back it up.
In regards to scans, I have no obligation to present them. Since beforehand I asked for scans myself and you basically conveniently ignored it. Then there's the fact, that anything/anyone that disagrees with you is considered pure fanfic, even when in reality it's stone cold facts. This is a daily thing with you. You are literally fapfic incarnate.
Clearly you didn't. Otherwise you wouldn't post such nonsense.
Or maybe you did, but your bias and delusion keeps you from accepting the truth.
Allow me to correct you :
"It's clear as day if something is responsible for the great Stamina and it's no longer there, the stamina is no longer 'as' great."
Much better.
Just in case you don't understand, I'll put it into simpler terms :
. When looking at Naruto and Kurama as a whole, his reserves are great.
When looking at Naruto without Kurama, his reserves are not 'as' great as they would be with Kurama.
His reserves would still be great in comparison to others.
There is actuality and it's not pure fapfic on my part, it's just you in plain denial.
Wrong again my boy.
The majority believe it would still be above average, you're in the minority.
Wrong again :salt:y fapper.
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"By suffering and training hard the chakra within his body bloomed, and he gained the same power as his brother."
Didn't conveniently omit anything. That's just you on damage control. XD
Also the scan above I provided clearly says the chakra within his body bloomed and gained the same power as his brother.
What Hago mean't in your scan, is that Ashura found strength in others. The people that stood behind Ashura gave him strength. Meaning, not in terms of physical strength/power. Then by suffering and training hard he himself attained that power.
Salacancer claims Manga(Kishi's work/creation) < misinterpreted databook because it destroys his silly delusional fanfic statements.
Mind posting the bit of him saying that the chains are learned and not awoken? That anyone could learn it.
If not, then stay in denial and in your little fapfic world.
I've brought plenty, apparently more than you could handle. You on the other hand haven't.
No need for you to admit that you're a fapper. It's well known.
Since your denying kishis own databook which has the sole purpose of explaining jutsu and in which if the chakra itself was a kekkei genkai or exclusive and just a hidden jutsu he wouldve listed it as such which he didnt. The purpose of making the chains a hidden jutsu is because they can be learnt just as all hidden jutsu can be learnt. That is kishi removing their exclusivity but retards can't comprehend facts.
Your scan follows my scan and they confirm he needed help to match Indra through training with those whose cooperation he was receiving both pages go together. :salt:y
And since your bringing nothing but pure fap concession accepted.
