Blind Itachi vs No Arm Minato vs Legless Gai

[NarutoIndra]

Unless its edo bm minato, Itachi takes this rather easily.

To state the obvious first.
Minato cannot use no ninjutsu without his arms, including hiraishin.
Apart from not being able to throw his kunai's, hiraishin requires so much concentration that numerous times we have seen minato forming the seal of confrontation.

I keep hearing gai would go 7 gate and blitz. What is he blitzing with no legs, his upper body?. Unless gai can fly, blitzing with his lower body will cause him more harm than good.

Itachi wins simple because firstly, itachi has for a number of years been partially blind therefore blindness is no issue to him, though in this case its total blindness.

Secondly he has his 4 other senses most importantly, most importantly hearing and smell.
He was the captain of the assassination squad, so while not saying he rivals zabuza at silent killing without any form of vision, he should be skilled at the very least to have heightened senses, excluding his vision. You cannot be an assassin which by definition should be somebody who is a master of stealth and tracking let alone the captain of the whole squad if all you depend on is your eyesight

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He has shown us this on numerous occasions. Examples are his shuriken feats

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Or some form of awareness of his surroundings:

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OP you said itachi doesn't have his sight. However you never said his crow summons are also affect by this. SO itachi using his summonings can further guide him as his crows will have vision and will communicate/notify him. His crows will basically act like his eyes. So apart from his other heightened sense which comes with being an assassin, he also gains some form of vision.

He can use genjutsu without his eyes.
He has katon variations and suiton, along with either kage bunshin or karasu bunshins.

Itachi stomps!!!

What a fail post. Partially blind=you can see a bit, meaning he still has sight. Blind=No sight at all.

He has no feats of being a sensor, so saying he can spot someone who is unexperienced in the art of stealth isn't a feat. Him being an assassin does no mean he can sense as well as you are making him sense (to fight with no sight). Again unless you show me a scan of all assassins in Naruto being sensors, than your point is invalid. Moreover, his crows have never communicated with him, unless you can show me scans of clear communication with the two. 'His crows are his eyes' lmao, sure.. when he can't even communicate with them. His finger genjutsu still requires knowing where his opponent is.. so your point of them being caught in it is a 1/100 chance. As to who I think would win, I say Minto easily. He can still use shunshin since he has his feat. None of them will react, to this speed blind sighted or legless. Minato can also drop hirashin Kunai's on the floor without using his hands, incase he feels the need for it. I am also assuming this is excluding BM Minato, or atleast hoping.

 

[Blaze Release]

What a fail post. Partially blind=you can see a bit, meaning he still has sight. Blind=No sight at all.

He has no feats of being a sensor, so saying he can spot someone who is unexperienced in the art of stealth isn't a feat. Him being an assassin does no mean he can sense as well as you are making him sense (to fight with no sight). Again unless you show me a scan of all assassins in Naruto being sensors, than your point is invalid. Moreover, his crows have never communicated with him, unless you can show me scans of clear communication with the two. 'His crows are his eyes' lmao, sure.. when he can't even communicate with them. His finger genjutsu still requires knowing where his opponent is.. so your point of them being caught in it is a 1/100 chance. As to who I think would win, I say Minto easily. He can still use shunshin since he has his feat. None of them will react, to this speed blind sighted or legless. Minato can also drop hirashin Kunai's on the floor without using his hands, incase he feels the need for it. I am also assuming this is excluding BM Minato, or atleast hoping.

Calm down dear i am new here. Firstly while i said he has experience being blind in this case he is totally blind.

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Itachi wins simple because firstly, itachi has for a number of years been partially blind therefore blindness is no issue to him, though in this case its total blindness."

Secondly nobody said he was a sensor. Just showing you that being a master assassin he has hype and feats more to cope without his eyes, like heightened senses.

As for saying his crows has never communicated with im. Firstly his crows can chirp to notify him of anything incoming. His crows can fly around, obvious to fly is to flap your wings which again makes sound.

The application of a karasu bunshin [

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] where the user uses crows as a meduim, when the chakra is cut off, the crows scatter. All of these are forms of communication. Btw the karasu bunshins can also talk even though they use crows as medium

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Like I said, Hirudora GG. Without his arms Minato won't be able to spread his kunai efficiently (how does he even take his Kunai out of his sack?) and Itachi just won't see it coming. Not only this, but Hirudora's AoE is immense [

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]. Itachi, as well as Minato, won't know that though.

Gai stomps.

 

[Minator93]

Minato can still use Shinshin and Hiraishin U_U He can throw his FTG Kunai via one hand and mouth as well. He takes this Low Diff U_U

 

[Blaze Release]

Like I said, Hirudora GG. Without his arms Minato won't be able to spread his kunai efficiently (how does he even take his Kunai out of his sack?) and Itachi just won't see it coming. Not only this, but Hirudora's AoE is immense [

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]. Itachi, as well as Minato, won't know that though.

Gai stomps.

Not sure if Hirudora would be GG as people say.
The op Gave no distance, therefore we do not know how close the 3 are. It might even be that, the gap between the 3 is so huge that, one might evade it, while for the other, they would be out of range.

Also how can gai use the gates or hirudora effectively when his waist upwards is on the floor. Gai would need his legs no doubt as that handles the pressure. Without his legs, it is possible that the power he releases and the gap between that power and his body is in direct contact it may cause it to backfire. Basically everytime gai/lee uses the gates it takes a huge toll from the start, with their legs. No legs means he has to charge up on the floor lol.



If i remember correctly this is how each section of the gates are located in the body

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We do not know where exactly gai has lost his legs. It could mean he has lost his legs up to his waist as that is what i usually see therefore i assume when the OP states legless. In that case the location of the 7th gate might not be accessible for gai as that part of his body is nonexistent

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Not sure if Hirudora would be GG as people say.
The op Gave no distance, therefore we do not know how close the 3 are. It might even be that, the gap between the 3 is so huge that, one might evade it, while for the other, they would be out of range.

Also how can gai use the gates or hirudora effectively when his waist upwards is on the floor. Gai would need his legs no doubt as that handles the pressure. Without his legs, it is possible that the power he releases and the gap between that power and his body is in direct contact it may cause it to backfire. Basically everytime gai/lee uses the gates it takes a huge toll from the start, with their legs. No legs means he has to charge up on the floor lol.



If i remember correctly this is how each section of the gates are located in the body

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We do not know where exactly gai has lost his legs. It could mean he has lost his legs up to his waist as that is what i usually see therefore i assume when the OP states legless. In that case the location of the 7th gate might not be accessible for gai as that part of his body is nonexistent

I don't think the distance matters, nor will they escape Hirudora's range. Come on man, one's blind and the other has no legs, I don't think the OP would put them miles away xD

Eh, not quite sure what you're talking about here. Gai, looking this this [

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] was able to fire off a substantially large Hirudora at Madara, while he was at his limit. Pressure isn't an issue. It's the air pressure from the punch which causes the jutsu to proceed [

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], his legs aren't involved as the jutsu is directly released from the air pressure from his fist. This is also cemented by the fact that each time Gai has used Hirudora, no pressure was noticeable around his leg area. In fact, he performs the jutsu while standing still [

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], and no recoil or any form of pressure is present. Gai can easily fire off the jutsu and it doesn't even have to touch them directly, the AoE will do the job.

Um, the 7th gate is located around the bladder area. It doesn't matter if his legs are cut off. As long as chakra flow can access that part of the body (he lost his legs, not part of his torso as well), which is can as he still has his torso, then the 7th gate can be accessed. Even if it can't be accessed, Asakujau turns both Minato and Itachi to roast beef.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Calm down dear i am new here. Firstly while i said he has experience being blind in this case he is totally blind.

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Itachi wins simple because firstly, itachi has for a number of years been partially blind therefore blindness is no issue to him, though in this case its total blindness."

Secondly nobody said he was a sensor. Just showing you that being a master assassin he has hype and feats more to cope without his eyes, like heightened senses.

As for saying his crows has never communicated with im. Firstly his crows can chirp to notify him of anything incoming. His crows can fly around, obvious to fly is to flap your wings which again makes sound.

The application of a karasu bunshin [

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] where the user uses crows as a meduim, when the chakra is cut off, the crows scatter. All of these are forms of communication. Btw the karasu bunshins can also talk even though they use crows as medium

Ok, you didn't really disprove anything I claimed. I don't understand what you are inferring to when saying you are new here, although you've been here since 2011 but never mind that.

Then what was the point of having said anything about partial blindness to begin with? Your point is contradicting. "therefore blindness is no issue to him, though in this case its total blindness" Blindness no issue to him but int his case he is blind.. makes sense right?

Master assassins have no feats saying they are better at sensing than others. Hype doesn't account when discussing an actual fight on who would win. Heightened sense won't allow him to react to a Minato with shunshin, hell a decent sensor wouldn't react to it, unless he has SM or extreme sensor capabilities. Since when can Itachi understand chirps? Show me a scan.

These aren't forms of communication, they are forms of utilisation. Communication- The imparting or exchanging of information by speaking, writing, or using some other medium. Please tell me how Itachi is doing any of these with actual proof, not your thoughts. Him giving them chakra does not mean he is communicating since he isn't conveying any information. It is Itachi's chakra, it is like a clone, they can perceive and speak like a human with the bilities Itachi has, they do not gain new abilities. Thus, if Itachi doesn't see, they will not see, or Sasuke would have been MS while all his clones were EMS.

 

[Blaze Release]

I don't think the distance matters, nor will they escape Hirudora's range. Come on man, one's blind and the other has no legs, I don't think the OP would put them miles away xD

Eh, not quite sure what you're talking about here. Gai, looking this this [

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] was able to fire off a substantially large Hirudora at Madara, while he was at his limit. Pressure isn't an issue. It's the air pressure from the punch which causes the jutsu to proceed [

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], his legs aren't involved as the jutsu is directly released from the air pressure from his fist. This is also cemented by the fact that each time Gai has used Hirudora, no pressure was noticeable around his leg area. In fact, he performs the jutsu while standing still [

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], and no recoil or any form of pressure is present. Gai can easily fire off the jutsu and it doesn't even have to touch them directly, the AoE will do the job.

Um, the 7th gate is located around the bladder area. It doesn't matter if his legs are cut off. As long as chakra flow can access that part of the body (he lost his legs, not part of his torso as well), which is can as he still has his torso, then the 7th gate can be accessed. Even if it can't be accessed, Asakujau turns both Minato and Itachi to roast beef.

Actually one is blind and the other has no arms. Op said legless, it could mean those who have basically half their body in that case the 7th gate is impossible, no?. lol i be playing now i neglected that gai could potential due to do damage. As for Asakujau again we do knot have any info on distance, gai would have to close the gap to use Asakujau unlike Hirudora lol. :yeah:

Ok, you didn't really disprove anything I claimed. I don't understand what you are inferring to when saying you are new here, although you've been here since 2011 but never mind that.

NVM

Then what was the point of having said anything about partial blindness to begin with? Your point is contradicting. "therefore blindness is no issue to him, though in this case its total blindness" Blindness no issue to him but int his case he is blind.. makes sense right?

Perhaps i needed to be more sharp with my point. What i am saying is that while i acknowledge in this scenario that he is total blind, being partially blind (which yes is different from total blindness), regardless has shown itachi to cope with some form of vision impairment.

Master assassins have no feats saying they are better at sensing than others. Hype doesn't account when discussing an actual fight on who would win. Heightened sense won't allow him to react to a Minato with shunshin, hell a decent sensor wouldn't react to it, unless he has SM or extreme sensor capabilities. Since when can Itachi understand chirps? Show me a scan.


These aren't forms of communication, they are forms of utilisation. Communication- The imparting or exchanging of information by speaking, writing, or using some other medium. Please tell me how Itachi is doing any of these with actual proof, not your thoughts. Him giving them chakra does not mean he is communicating since he isn't conveying any information. It is Itachi's chakra, it is like a clone, they can perceive and speak like a human with the bilities Itachi has, they do not gain new abilities. Thus, if Itachi doesn't see, they will not see, or Sasuke would have been MS while all his clones were EMS.

I have shown enough feats where itachi has shown to hit targets without looking at them with kunai's at the same time has shown numerous times not just the two scans i have provided where, while not a sensor he knows his environment fairly well. Another example, he was the only shinobi who noted obito's existence, however it didn't end there, he managed to keep track of obito and monitor him while obito had no clue. These are the sorts of training that an anbu captain who is an assassin would be good at. Tracking and heightened sense, not just vision.

As for you saying can itachi understand chirp. Firstly that is like saying can naruto/jiraiya/minato understand croak, yet they can speak to frogs. You seem interesting so i thought i would put in chirp to see if you would catch me out, crows croak aswell not chirp lol. Or perhaps orochimaru communicating with manda or sasuke communication with aoda therefore they can hiss? or perhaps kakashi can bark. But anyway the chirping point was to notify itachi, though animals being able to communicate with those around them especially those who summoned them is nothing new in naruto. How is a shinobi who holds a contract with an animal supposed to tell that animal to do something or behave in a desired way. All summons will have some form of communication between them.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Actually one is blind and the other has no arms. Op said legless, it could mean those who have basically half their body in that case the 7th gate is impossible, no?. lol i be playing now i neglected that gai could potential due to do damage. As for Asakujau again we do knot have any info on distance, gai would have to close the gap to use Asakujau unlike Hirudora lol. :yeah:

I was talking about Gai and Itachi in particular, not Minato since he has his legs and so is mobile. Gai has his waist upwards. The 7th gate is still apart of his body. Range isn't an issue. Minato's jutsu rely on CQC. Gai can wait until he comes into range and then he gets KO'd, lol, Hiraishin is lacking in this match. Poor Itachi is just blind, it doesn't matter.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Perhaps i needed to be more sharp with my point. What i am saying is that while i acknowledge in this scenario that he is total blind, being partially blind (which yes is different from total blindness), regardless has shown itachi to cope with some form of vision impairment.

Fair enough. Doesn't refute anything.

I have shown enough feats where itachi has shown to hit targets without looking at them with kunai's at the same time has shown numerous times not just the two scans i have provided where, while not a sensor he knows his environment fairly well. Another example, he was the only shinobi who noted obito's existence, however it didn't end there, he managed to keep track of obito and monitor him while obito had no clue. These are the sorts of training that an anbu captain who is an assassin would be good at. Tracking and heightened sense, not just vision.

His kunai's won't perfectly hit a moving target, let alone someone as fast as Minato while using shunshin. Heightened sense again, will not allow you to pinpoint where a person is, just notice their presence and basic movements. Shunshin movements would unconditionally remain undetected/non reactable by such low tier sensing skills.

As for you saying can itachi understand chirp. Firstly that is like saying can naruto/jiraiya/minato understand croak, yet they can speak to frogs. You seem interesting so i thought i would put in chirp to see if you would catch me out, crows croak aswell not chirp lol. Or perhaps orochimaru communicating with manda or sasuke communication with aoda therefore they can hiss? or perhaps kakashi can bark. But anyway the chirping point was to notify itachi, though animals being able to communicate with those around them especially those who summoned them is nothing new in naruto. How is a shinobi who holds a contract with an animal supposed to tell that animal to do something or behave in a desired way. All summons will have some form of communication between them.

Until you show me a scan of Itachi communicating with a bird, it is hype. You are using baseless logic, that is like saying since Itachi can use crows to create clones, Naruto should be able to pile toads to create clones. It doesn't work like that. Crows have not been given any personalities or forms of communicating with Itachi. Until you show me scans or DB facts that they can communicate, than this topic isn't up for debate. You are giving him feats he hasn't shown/doesn't have. On the other hand, I admit you are sneaky when it comes to using words such as chirp to make me use it. Too bad you ended up not being n animal expert since they caw and not croak. Gamabunta is also a toad, not a frog.

 

[VangBro95]

Itachi's blind, that doesn't mean his jutsu's still don't work. His MS will still be there but he just won't be able to see. Minato will still be fast on his base speed still but I don't think Gai will last in this battle.

 

[shelke]

This is obviously Itachi. Remember those Naruto bushins and Shuriken-Jutsu feat? Itachi can react to sound and attack with precision. Gai can go gates but what is he doing anyway? For all we know, he uses Hirodura into the ground and it blows up in his face, killing Minato, at least. But Minato can handily escape to his mother's basement. He always keeps a Kunai there.

 

[Blaze Release]

I was talking about Gai and Itachi in particular, not Minato since he has his legs and so is mobile. Gai has his waist upwards. The 7th gate is still apart of his body. Range isn't an issue. Minato's jutsu rely on CQC. Gai can wait until he comes into range and then he gets KO'd, lol, Hiraishin is lacking in this match. Poor Itachi is just blind, it doesn't matter.

Damn i love this guy no homo. Hey, hey gai targets minato first, allow the blind guy man.
Anyway we don't know how effective hirudora will be when gai has no legs, but also no distance is stated in the OP. Seriously though you are right, gai most likely has the most bite in this case.

OT. nobody has stated, i don't think, that Gai can summon. He can hop on his summon (and has done) which then spins and tosses him to the location. Guess with that strategy he can not only close the gap, he can open the gates while in the air lol

His kunai's won't perfectly hit a moving target, let alone someone as fast as Minato while using shunshin. Heightened sense again, will not allow you to pinpoint where a person is, just notice their presence and basic movements. Shunshin movements would unconditionally remain undetected/non reactable by such low tier sensing skills.

Er his kunai's has canonically hit moving targets. Naruto's two clones and shurikens. People keep mentioning shunshin for minato as though shunshin will make him win this fight. That is all he was as even kunai's are located in his pouch so he has to somehow get them out and put them in his mouth. Even then, with his lack of arms we do not know just how effective his shunshin will be, perhaps might cause unbalance.

Anyway you do not seem to know what i mean by heightened senses. Im not talking about being a sensor, but rather having sharpened your other senses. Example kakashi, smell

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Sound and feel

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Hiruzen smell

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I know you will say Itachi hasn't the feats, however he has shown the feats and the hype.
Again you cannot be a seasoned assassin without having these abilities

Until you show me a scan of Itachi communicating with a bird, it is hype. You are using baseless logic, that is like saying since Itachi can use crows to create clones, Naruto should be able to pile toads to create clones. It doesn't work like that. Crows have not been given any personalities or forms of communicating with Itachi. Until you show me scans or DB facts that they can communicate, than this topic isn't up for debate. You are giving him feats he hasn't shown/doesn't have. On the other hand, I admit you are sneaky when it comes to using words such as chirp to make me use it. Too bad you ended up not being n animal expert since they caw and not croak. Gamabunta is also a toad, not a frog.

Not really, a person who holds a contract which allows them to summon an animal will have some form of communication otherwise its kinda pointless to have a summon when if you cannot work together by means of some form of communication. Crows caw or croak. Nicely done with the toads though

 

[Optimistic]

Gai with no legs isn't a problem.

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And Minato can shunshin blitz and knee Itachi in the face.

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[Bogard]

Minato wins. Right at the start of the battle, he kicks his pocket in order for it to fall on the ground. With more than 50 marked kunais inside said pocket, he continue in kicking them further around the battlefield in order to dispatch them over the battlefield. Use Hiraishin on one of the kunais to hold them in his mouth and proceeds to rape the opposition, especially since Shunshin isn't restricted. Itachi is blind so he won't know the position of said markings when Gai is legless so he would have difficulties to move with his hands alone.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Minato wins. Right at the start of the battle, he kicks his pocket in order for it to fall on the ground. With more than 50 marked kunais inside said pocket, he continue in kicking them further around the battlefield in order to dispatch them over the battlefield. Use Hiraishin on one of the kunais to hold them in his mouth and proceeds to rape the opposition, especially since Shunshin isn't restricted. Itachi is blind so he won't know the position of said markings when Gai is legless so he would have difficulties to move with his hands alone.

Nicely done, superb tactic. May I recall some flexibility feats with manga scans? lol

 

[Draphsin]

Gai rapes, he can still walk with his hands, Itachi is useless & minato can't throw his kunai far enough in order to evade gai's hirudora.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato has lost an arm, not both his arms as the title says "No Arm Minato" probably playing a pun on Edo Minato who lost his arm to Obito.

 

[Draphsin]

Pretty sure people aren't reading the title correctly. Minato has lost an arm, not both his arms. So actually, I give this to him.

Well if that's the case then this is a one sided matchup in his favor, he's not even handicapped in all honestly.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Pretty sure people aren't reading the title correctly. Minato has lost an arm, not both his arms. So actually, I give this to him.

I'm confident it was improper grammar on OP's side, otherwise it wouldn't be remotely fair. Never the less, Minato still wins 6/10 times.