[Discussion] Bleach Chapter 658 Review! Hitsugaya vs Miracle=WTF Kubo!

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Why in the world would he have Toshiro fight Miracle? The only redeeming factor is it looks like Shinji might be stepping into the battle.
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I can give legit reasons why he's a bad character. Why do you think he's worthy of being in this fight?
hes a captain class shinigami with the strongest ice type zanpaktou and a genius who in shunsui admitted would probably surpass him in 100 years.

toshiros power is also ideal for fighting a giant sense he can hinder gerards movements and create openings for people to attack or freeze him completely and then shatter him.

gerard also is to big to dodge that one attack toshiro used against harribel where anything that touches his snow freezes
 

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hes a captain class shinigami with the strongest ice type zanpaktou and a genius who in shunsui admitted would probably surpass him in 100 years.

toshiros power is also ideal for fighting a giant sense he can hinder gerards movements and create openings for people to attack or freeze him completely and then shatter him.

gerard also is to big to dodge that one attack toshiro used against harribel where anything that touches his snow freezes
Anyone can surpass anyone in 100 years
 

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Anyone can surpass anyone in 100 years
momo is not surpassing any captain in 100 years so no i guess anyone cant surpass anyone in 100 years. nobody surpassed yamamoto in 1000.

remember 100 years for shinigami isn't that much time.

remember toshiro is very young by shinigami standards while shunsui is old as sh*t he was one of the first 2 students yamammoto had
 

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Toshiro hasn't actually been as weak as normal in this arc. Yes, he got owned by Bazz B (The guy who can control FIRE that is stronger than Yamamoto) While weakened and without a Bankai. So, in his other fights, how did he go:
Oh yes, Instant win on Cang Du. Instant win on Ikakku/Yumichika/Charlotte (Who were beating up Bambietta like she was nothing), Multiple Instant kills on Mayuri (Except Mayuri was Mayuri so it didn't work). So yea, he could have gotten a bit stronger over the time skip.


finally, would it truly be worse than NANAO suddenly having the only weapon capable of killing lille?
 
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momo is not surpassing any captain in 100 years so no i guess anyone cant surpass anyone in 100 years. nobody surpassed yamamoto in 1000.

remember 100 years for shinigami isn't that much time.

remember toshiro is very young by shinigami standards while shunsui is old as sh*t he was one of the first 2 students yamammoto had
100 years aren't much because shinigami has life span of more than 1000 years, otherwise time is same for everyone it doesn't matter whether a person is human,hollow, or soul reaper. In this anime you can surpass ywach in 1 year if you want to, remember how ichigo mastered his shikai in 10 days only and bankai in 3hours where other soul reapers who has their age more than 100 years aren't even able to do it.
 

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Toshiro hasn't actually been as weak as normal in this arc. Yes, he got owned by Bazz B (The guy who can control FIRE that is stronger than Yamamoto) While weakened and without a Bankai. So, in his other fights, how did he go:
Oh yes, Instant win on Cang Du. Instant win on Ikakku/Yumichika/Charlotte (Who were beating up Bambietta like she was nothing), Multiple Instant kills on Mayuri (Except Mayuri was Mayuri so it didn't work). So yea, he could have gotten a bit stronger over the time skip.


finally, would it truly be worse than NANAO suddenly having the only weapon capable of killing lille?
Hitsugaya is there because Momo will one shot Miracle dude with her BANKAI :)
 

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Well if Gerard's strength is taking damage, then his weakness will be attacks that don't inflict direct damage.

Or rather, inhibit him.

This is actually a really good point and makes a lot of sense.

Someone mentioned that he might have a zombie upgrade now, but wasn't he cured by Mayuri? I think it would be really weird if he could activate that 'mode' at will.

Everyone has their preferences and Hitsugaya is actually my favorite character. I really like his personality.
 

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This is actually a really good point and makes a lot of sense.

Someone mentioned that he might have a zombie upgrade now, but wasn't he cured by Mayuri? I think it would be really weird if he could activate that 'mode' at will.

Everyone has their preferences and Hitsugaya is actually my favorite character. I really like his personality.
According to all the people he killed, he was exactly the same as a Zombie. It shouldn't be a powerup. Hell, it only made him stronger because he arrived after a long absence with a new costume in a shounen manga, which as we all know makes one invincible.
 

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Toshiro hasn't actually been as weak as normal in this arc. Yes, he got owned by Bazz B (The guy who can control FIRE that is stronger than Yamamoto) While weakened and without a Bankai. So, in his other fights, how did he go:
Oh yes, Instant win on Cang Du. Instant win on Ikakku/Yumichika/Charlotte (Who were beating up Bambietta like she was nothing), Multiple Instant kills on Mayuri (Except Mayuri was Mayuri so it didn't work). So yea, he could have gotten a bit stronger over the time skip.


finally, would it truly be worse than NANAO suddenly having the only weapon capable of killing lille?
An how is bazz b stronger than yamamoto when yamamoto took him down effortlessly?....Anyway he will need lots of help with miracle sense he stood no chance against a not serious bazz b.
 
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