Black Zetsu: Is anyone else confused?

[002]

Firstly: I, in no way, am attempting to bash or insult anyone or any character. I am unbiased with all the naruto-verse characters and abilities/jutsus.

It is my understanding that Black Zetsu was created by Madara when he was still on life support from the Gedo-Statue so I do not quite understand how Black Zetsu is Kaguya's will when, to me, clearly Madara had said that the Black Zetsu was his own will on numerous occasions. Although I do acknowledge that it is possible, through the Gedo, Kaguya may have influenced Black Zetsu's creation but it just seems far fetched. She wasn't mentioned, or even acknowledged, at the time. Of course this could be that Kishimoto didn't want this to be acknowledged yet but I'd like to see what others might think on this subject and Black Zetsu's "betrayal."

My second mis-understanding: Black Zetsu was held at bay by Obito's withering will power just a few chapters ago. How would it be that he manages to seemingly destroy Madara (a much stronger character) simply by piercing him and 'infecting' Madara's body with 'Black Zetsu-ness'?

This is open to anyone for answer or debate. Again, I am just curious. I do not care for trolls or the typical 'you're stupid kid' responses. I am literally just confused at these two major points. Thank you, have a nice day.

 

[Kyuurama]

I was wondering this too. It was almost completely out of character.

 

[Lyke]

Because Kaguya

 

[bashkim]

I am confused as you.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

It is KAUGUYa she is #2 in NV and does what she wants

 

[Ver55e]

For me to come to a conclusion. I must first see the next chapter

 

[Memento Mori]

It is of Kaguya

 

[uchihadesendent]

well I'm confused too but it's kaguya's will so it's much stronger than madara

 

[3MESSIAH]

I think it's because BZ was madara's will all along and only after madara absorbed shinju tree which contained kaguya's will BZ became influenced by kaguya

 

[Zol]

1) You said it yourself: It most likely has something to do with Madara using the power of the Gedo Mazo in creating BZ (and the other Zetsus). We know Kaguya/her chakra/a part of her soul/etc. was somehow merged with the Shinju, so it's actually not too farfetched to think she was also present in the Mazou.

Madara just thought that he was the one in control, but ultimately, everything he did with the Juubi in any form (Mazou, Juubi proper, Shinju) was influenced by Kaguya...

2) Black Zetsu didn't overpower Madara in battle prowess or strength. He injected him with his chaka, which is directly connected to Kaguya. Also, remember that Madara already took her chakra inside at least when he absorbed the Shinju (if it wasn't already in the Juubi to begin with). So, he basically gets assaulted by Kaguya from the inside and outside. Raw power doesn't mean much here.

 

[kimb]

You have to wait for everything to be explained in the up coming chapters. Kaguya/Black Zetsu will probably explain herself with in a week or two.

 

[VongolaX]

I'm not confused much, but laughing at all those people who stated that Edo Madara>>>Obito via black zetsu.

Latest chapter revealed the irony in that statement. (Though I'm a fan of both Madara and Obito)

OT: you pretty much answered the first part of what we can logically go by.

That or when Madara absorbed the holy tree, Kaguya may of infected Black zetsu.


The second part of your question baffled me too.

Obito dominated black zetsu and used him as a rikudou staff.

Maybe Obito's will over Madara is greater...?

But I doubt that, because he was wavering all over the place between a Madara and Naruto.
(Which lead to Rikudou Obito's defeat).

 

[002]

For me to come to a conclusion. I must first see the next chapter

Honestly, I was thinking the same directly after I had posted.

 

[Naruto Six Sage]

Black zetzu hits madara near his heart which activates puppet jutsu which will paralyse madara uchiha and black zetsu will take over his body ...same thing happened with rin and obito

 

[002]

1) You said it yourself: It most likely has something to do with Madara using the power of the Gedo Mazo in creating BZ (and the other Zetsus). We know Kaguya/her chakra/a part of her soul/etc. was somehow merged with the Shinju, so it's actually not too farfetched to think she was also present in the Mazou.

Madara just thought that he was the one in control, but ultimately, everything he did with the Juubi in any form (Mazou, Juubi proper, Shinju) was influenced by Kaguya...

2) Black Zetsu didn't overpower Madara in battle prowess or strength. He injected him with his chaka, which is directly connected to Kaguya. Also, remember that Madara already took her chakra inside at least when he absorbed the Shinju (if it wasn't already in the Juubi to begin with). So, he basically gets assaulted by Kaguya from the inside and outside. Raw power doesn't mean much here.

When I mentioned power I was referring to will power, but I absolutely see how having absorbed the tree (providing a potion, if any, of Kaguya's chakra) would mean he harbors some of her chakra and when Black Zetsu pierced him, the assault (both inside and out) began to take hold of him. Thank you

 

[002]

I'm not confused much, but laughing at all those people who stated that Edo Madara>>>Obito via black zetsu.

Latest chapter revealed the irony in that statement. (Though I'm a fan of both Madara and Obito)

OT: you pretty much answered the first part of what we can logically go by.

That or when Madara absorbed the holy tree, Kaguya may of infected Black zetsu.


The second part of your question baffled me too.

Obito dominated black zetsu and used him as a rikudou staff.

Maybe Obito's will over Madara is greater...?

But I doubt that, because he was wavering all over the place between a Madara and Naruto.
(Which lead to Rikudou Obito's defeat).

Would it be too much to say Obito's 'will of fire' took hold at this point in time? It seems that, not just in the Naruto-Verse but in many amines and stories, that as soon as a character is coming to their possible end they seem to mystically gain some sort of inability to die until after whatever they were attempting to do at the time is complete.

 

[Sage Moonblood]

I also thought this. It could be that BZ wasn't really trying to restrain obito and was just going along with it until the perfect moment

 

[synkross]

1) Madara was connected to shinju when he created black zetsu , considering madara's weak state it is highly possible that Kaguya could've manifested her will into making black zetsu instead of madara from the start.

2) Even a dying Obito overpowered zetsu(Kaguya's will) multiple times and even overpowered the Juubi itself. so the only possible explanation i can think of is Obito's will power >>> Madara. But still madara had huge ass powerups so him getting one shotted by zetsu just doesn't seem right.

Guess we'll have to wait for next chap for further explanation.

 

[Jarex]

Kaguya took over madara's will after he absorbed the tree. Obito took over bzetsu before that. This is the simple explanation.

If you remeber obito started loosing control of himself after madara absorbed the tree

 

[VongolaX]

Would it be too much to say Obito's 'will of fire' took hold at this point in time? It seems that, not just in the Naruto-Verse but in many amines and stories, that as soon as a character is coming to their possible end they seem to mystically gain some sort of inability to die until after whatever they were attempting to do at the time is complete.

I'm not sure

Usually the will of fire is a senju thing.