[Discussion] Black Lives Matter

[lndra]

And I'm telling you that your point of view is fascicle, your suppose read my response before you reply to it. So I'll repeat myself, could the black community (i.e. BLM) be more vocal about black on black violence? Yes! Is black on black violence getting the coverage it should get? No! Does any of those things make the US justice system is undoubtly racially biased. Whether you want to believe it or not Indra, a man being shot while going for is vehicle information is unacceptable! A healthy woman dying in police custody is unacceptable.

No one said it should though, but honestly you're not exactly understanding the point. No one is saying that the movement isn't exactly vital for the importance of African American's in the Justice System, but the importance of the Movement itself. Whether this or that is acceptable or isn't acceptable, isn't exactly my issue. We all understand how blacks, and other races, face racial diversity in most of America. However what I pointed out is that a movement that is focused on mainly African American's lives which are being lost left and right, unjustly of course, is only shown through half of the POV.

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But yes the black community faces major problems with in our own community Indra but you need to understand that a lot of problems stem directly from law enforcement more so; government affairs so to say that black people shouldn't be as vocal about flawed justice system and more vocal about black on black violence is bonkers. Fixing the problems within our own community isn't gonna work with an independent effort (black community by itself; it's gonna take the involvement of police and the justice system to help; which is why we need to fix it now.

I somewhat agree, somewhat disagree. It's not just about fixing the problems within the community, but it's about shedding light on them. The police officer, whom interviewed American's, stated that the majority felt that they are only one's being treated unfairly in the name of the law, but in total statistics, they aren't. It's common stereotype, and joke, that black men/women are afraid of the police for the reasons we all know. But at the same time beneath the surface, police killed more white men then black men that same year. The problem itself isn't just the government, it's a mixture of that and the community itself. Fixing the Justice System isn't going to amount into the entire population changing it's views, basically Rome wasn't built in the day.

But that essentially goes back to what I was saying before. One step at a time, is understandable, although the fact that we are being negligent to half of the problem, is in itself the problem too. "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

All in all I'm just saying that we need to focus on the countless lives being lost from black on black crime, and at the same time, focus on the problem with the Justice system.

Thousands of black men died in comparison to the almost near-two hundred whom were killed by police officers. Both equally as important, no? We need the larger, and more vocal movements, to start focusing on both the problems. At least shedding some light until we are completely ready to start working on them, that's all.

 

[slimreaper]

So BLM has to speak out about every single thing to do with black people? They can't focus on one aspect of the problems of Black Americans? So do you question Leukemia fundraisers about why they aren't raising money for breast cancer as well? Shouldn't they because it also has to do with cancer?

The problem is because BLM has the loudest voice, you can't hear the voices of the smaller groups inside cities like Camden, Chicago, or even Compton that try to call for the end of black on black violence. The reason you think BLM should address issues like black on black violence is because you aren't doing your research into the handfuls of groups that speak out about it.

The the whole black lives matter movement is based on a false narrative that white lives matter to police.


as I posted on a different thread

The data doesn’t indicate which shootings are justified (the vast majority) and which are cold-blooded murder (not many, but some). And maybe that would vary by race. I don’t know, but I doubt it,” Mr. Moskos said on his blog.
Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.


“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”


Not only that but police aren't always convicted when they killed whites either.

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The cop wasn't charged(and shouldn't have been) but "white lives" are known to matter? Maybe it's about individual circumstances and not a racially based narrative?

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[Melanin]

No one said it should though, but honestly you're not exactly understanding the point. No one is saying that the movement isn't exactly vital for the importance of African American's in the Justice System, but the importance of the Movement itself. Whether this or that is acceptable or isn't acceptable, isn't exactly my issue. We all understand how blacks, and other races, face racial diversity in most of America. However what I pointed out is that a movement that is focused on mainly African American's lives which are being lost left and right, unjustly of course, is only shown through half of the POV.


I somewhat agree, somewhat disagree. It's not just about fixing the problems within the community, but it's about shedding light on them. The police officer, whom interviewed American's, stated that the majority felt that they are only one's being treated unfairly in the name of the law, but in total statistics, they aren't. It's common stereotype, and joke, that black men/women are afraid of the police for the reasons we all know. But at the same time beneath the surface, police killed more white men then black men that same year. The problem itself isn't just the government, it's a mixture of that and the community itself. Fixing the Justice System isn't going to amount into the entire population changing it's views, basically Rome wasn't built in the day.

But that essentially goes back to what I was saying before. One step at a time, is understandable, although the fact that we are being negligent to half of the problem, is in itself the problem too. "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

All in all I'm just saying that we need to focus on the countless lives being lost from black on black crime, and at the same time, focus on the problem with the Justice system.

Thousands of black men died in comparison to the almost near-two hundred whom were killed by police officers. Both equally as important, no? We need the larger, and more vocal movements, to start focusing on both the problems. At least shedding some light until we are completely ready to start working on them, that's all.

I agree with most of what you wrote here.

 

[lndra]

I agree with most of what you wrote here.

I hope for our sake and for the future generation's that we find some kind of solution. It honestly feels like we are going back in time with all of this crap.

I just can't wrap my head around it anymore.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

I disagree with that. His points are fallacious.It's fully of hasty generalizations and where are his citations to back up that statics about how many black people are killed by cops? I hate how some people try to derail from issues like racism and being killed for racist reasons for bringing up "black on black crime". I never hear about "white on white crime". Yea it's problematic when fellow black people kill each other for stupid reasons but that doesn't take away from us being kill for racist reason. This guy make it seems as if we only care when a non black person kill us but that's not true. In my town they had a few candle burning and marches for black people killed by other black people. I do think it's sad that this guy does get attack by his own family for him being a cop though but overall I fully disagree with him. I also feel as if some people fail to understand BLM movement. Yes all lives matter but this movement is trying to stop discrimination and hate crimes against black people. Sure there are some extremist(they normally fail to understand what the movement is about also) in the movement but that doesn't count for the full movement. Like they have a full website explaining the movement also.

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[Lance171]

Screw black lives matter, just a bunch entitled, crybaby, ignorant, bullies!!!

 

[ArabianLuffy]

When your efforts for a certain community do no change for good, let them be. Let them die dogs' death. It suit them well. Just get out of the hood and find somewhere safe for living for you and your family.

 

[Fountain]

I'm black and I'm proud

More like retarded and proud

 

[Omega]

Although he has some fallacies and weird reasoning my question is why are people so intent on distracting from this issue. Like this is a legitimate issue. Black on black crime is a problem, but why do people love to bring this up in response to the cop shootings. Instead of holding the horrible cops(I mean the cops who actually did the bad things...not that all cops are horrible) accountable for what they do, people would rather argue and rebuttal with "well you guys don't get mad when blacks kill blacks." Just let that marinate and listen to how that sounds. Do you even truly care about black on black crime or are you just uncomfortable dealing with the clear racism and injustice. Oh its true and many people talk about it (not shown in media). Think of this scenario, A group called "Environment matters" is fighting to keep the oceans clean. Rather than listening to the group people suddenly bring up the fact that Environment Matters does not protest all of the cars polluting the ozone. Now what did that accomplish? What were the undertones of that rebuttal? You bring up a fact about the ozone being polluted but at the cost of diminishing the movement of cleaning our oceans. You're not even suggesting that we protect both, nor are you offering a solution. You're almost condeming the group for trying to promote positive change by bringing up another relevant problem albeit in a counter productive way. The same goes for these issues on racism. BLM protest injust killings, and then someone else will bring up a true fact such as "well actually all lives matter", or, "You guys don't protest black on black killings." I'm sorry, but how can you not see that these statements aren't born out of the intent to actually act on those issues, or fact, but rather a way to diminish another movement and be counterproductive. Bringing up these issues to distract from other issues just seems like a cop out to keep things the way they are. Why can't this man, or anyone, stand up to the black on black killings without using it to diminish BLM? I see a problem with that. If it's an issue than fight against it, but don't drag others down to do it.

 

[XxTayxX]

Screw black lives matter, just a bunch entitled, crybaby, ignorant, bullies!!!

Thats a ignorant statement considering the true meaning of BLM

 

[XxTayxX]

More like retarded and proud

Being black is retarded?

 

[Sakura Michiko]

Although he has some fallacies and weird reasoning my question is why are people so intent on distracting from this issue. Like this is a legitimate issue. Black on black crime is a problem, but why do people love to bring this up in response to the cop shootings. Instead of holding the horrible cops(I mean the cops who actually did the bad things...not that all cops are horrible) accountable for what they do, people would rather argue and rebuttal with "well you guys don't get mad when blacks kill blacks." Just let that marinate and listen to how that sounds. Do you even truly care about black on black crime or are you just uncomfortable dealing with the clear racism and injustice. Oh its true and many people talk about it (not shown in media). Think of this scenario, A group called "Environment matters" is fighting to keep the oceans clean. Rather than listening to the group people suddenly bring up the fact that Environment Matters does not protest all of the cars polluting the ozone. Now what did that accomplish? What were the undertones of that rebuttal? You bring up a fact about the ozone being polluted but at the cost of diminishing the movement of cleaning our oceans. You're not even suggesting that we protect both, nor are you offering a solution. You're almost condeming the group for trying to promote positive change by bringing up another relevant problem albeit in a counter productive way. The same goes for these issues on racism. BLM protest injust killings, and then someone else will bring up a true fact such as "well actually all lives matter", or, "You guys don't protest black on black killings." I'm sorry, but how can you not see that these statements aren't born out of the intent to actually act on those issues, or fact, but rather a way to diminish another movement and be counterproductive. Bringing up these issues to distract from other issues just seems like a cop out to keep things the way they are. Why can't this man, or anyone, stand up to the black on black killings without using it to diminish BLM? I see a problem with that. If it's an issue than fight against it, but don't drag others down to do it.

This this right here is what I was saying in my comment. It's rather witless for the problem of racism to be derailed to "black on black crime"

 

[Fountain]

Being black is retarded?

Being RastaRasta, not being black :kk:

 

[slimreaper]

Although he has some fallacies and weird reasoning my question is why are people so intent on distracting from this issue. Like this is a legitimate issue. Black on black crime is a problem, but why do people love to bring this up in response to the cop shootings. Instead of holding the horrible cops(I mean the cops who actually did the bad things...not that all cops are horrible) accountable for what they do, people would rather argue and rebuttal with "well you guys don't get mad when blacks kill blacks." Just let that marinate and listen to how that sounds. Do you even truly care about black on black crime or are you just uncomfortable dealing with the clear racism and injustice. Oh its true and many people talk about it (not shown in media). Think of this scenario, A group called "Environment matters" is fighting to keep the oceans clean. Rather than listening to the group people suddenly bring up the fact that Environment Matters does not protest all of the cars polluting the ozone. Now what did that accomplish? What were the undertones of that rebuttal? You bring up a fact about the ozone being polluted but at the cost of diminishing the movement of cleaning our oceans. You're not even suggesting that we protect both, nor are you offering a solution. You're almost condeming the group for trying to promote positive change by bringing up another relevant problem albeit in a counter productive way. The same goes for these issues on racism. BLM protest injust killings, and then someone else will bring up a true fact such as "well actually all lives matter", or, "You guys don't protest black on black killings." I'm sorry, but how can you not see that these statements aren't born out of the intent to actually act on those issues, or fact, but rather a way to diminish another movement and be counterproductive. Bringing up these issues to distract from other issues just seems like a cop out to keep things the way they are. Why can't this man, or anyone, stand up to the black on black killings without using it to diminish BLM? I see a problem with that. If it's an issue than fight against it, but don't drag others down to do it.

again I say. Does this not happen to white people? Why are you making this a black vs police issue, when this is a police overreach issue?

 

[HashiraMadara]

I actually read it earlier twice but allow me to say it again: I'm Black & I'm Proud and I want to live in a country were blackness can be legitimized on every level. Mostly on the Justice level, which is what I think the BLM should be be about so relax.

I am happy that you're proud but you can forget about such world existing :sdo:. The majority of world sees a black skin like an alien species/feral species, in doesn't matter where they relocated 1 black being can leave a presence felt for generations in a non black family. So forgive me to tell you if I was not black I would try some minor black extermination.

 

[chopstickchakra]

And I'm telling you that your point of view is fascicle, your suppose read my response before you reply to it. So I'll repeat myself, could the black community (i.e. BLM) be more vocal about black on black violence? Yes! Is black on black violence getting the coverage it should get? No! Does any of those things make the US justice system is undoubtly racially biased. Whether you want to believe it or not Indra, a man being shot while going for is vehicle information is unacceptable! A healthy woman dying in police custody is unacceptable.

This all is unacceptable!

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But yes the black community faces major problems with in our own community Indra but you need to understand that a lot of problems stem directly from law enforcement more so; government affairs so to say that black people shouldn't be as vocal about flawed justice system and more vocal about black on black violence is bonkers. Fixing the problems within our own community isn't gonna work with an independent effort (black community by itself; it's gonna take the involvement of police and the justice system to help; which is why we need to fix it now.

a man being shot while going for is vehicle information is unacceptable! A healthy woman dying in police custody is unacceptable.

Yes that is unacceptable but the hypocrisy behind most of the supporters of BLM ideology is that your only calling for accountability on cases of people you choose, people who just happen to look like you. The fact is a man being shot while going for is vehicle information is unacceptable! A healthy woman dying in police custody is unacceptable. period. It doesn't matter what their skin looks like it's unacceptable.

 

[Lightbringer]

Wow.....just wow.

The comments here make me sick to my stomach.

 

[Omega]

again I say. Does this not happen to white people? Why are you making this a black vs police issue, when this is a police overreach issue?

ooookay so why haven't whites protested, or spoke up about this injustice until BLM? This has been happening to blacks for a looooong time. Technology gives us the ability to see a lot of it. Plus, things such as required body cameras help all ppl although BLM pressured this reform in certain areas. Ppl are just acting oblivious to the issue of racism. You're denying the experiences and oppressions of many black ppl and chalking it up to "well whites get shot too."

Also, the justice system is the main problem. If whites get shot unjustly then I'm certain a fair trial is likely to ensure...and plz lord don't let a black cop kill a white person.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I actually read it earlier twice but allow me to say it again: I'm Black & I'm Proud and I want to live in a country were blackness can be legitimized on every level. Mostly on the Justice level, which is what I think the BLM should be be about so relax.

You don't live in this country. You live on Jupiter.

 

[slimreaper]

ooookay so why haven't whites protested, or spoke up about this injustice until BLM? This has been happening to blacks for a looooong time. Technology gives us the ability to see a lot of it. Plus, things such as required body cameras help all ppl although BLM pressured this reform in certain areas. Ppl are just acting oblivious to the issue of racism. You're denying the experiences and oppressions of many black ppl and chalking it up to "well whites get shot too."

Also, the justice system is the main problem. If whites get shot unjustly then I'm certain a fair trial is likely to ensure...and plz lord don't let a black cop kill a white person.

Whites didn't protest because we don't base justice on convictions, we actually look for the truth. When Walter Scott was killed this white person was all for charging the cop involved. Your biased black ass wants 100% convictions in all these cases because you're blinded by race.


You were saying?

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Black cop killed white teen and wasn't charged

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White lives don't matter either, so the whole assumption that black lives are the only ones that don't matter is bullshit. How about no lives matter if you break the law and pose a threat to cops?