Black Gang Members slaughtered 15 year old boy

[TheEvilOne]

No, the laws and teachings of religion such as Islam existed to protect and prevent ourselves from doing wrong deeds.

I hope this is sarcasm.

 

[Lightbringer]

Not important to be right or wrong. There still crimes of murdering in Saudi Arabia, but barely we hear about them, because the laws that are based by religion (Islam) are strict and it has zero tolerance with murder crimes. Life by life.

Saudia Arabia is a totalitarian state that beheads people for things like being atheist. You're citing the worst example.

Saudia Arabia hasn't deterred crime either with its archaic system.

What you're professing has been done countless times and has never worked.

Process and quality of investigation is sure quite an issue to determine whether or not the culprit was a murderer. That's why investigation department select the best minds to guarantee flawless justice, and decisions won't be taken lightly when it revolves the fate of a culprit.

Here is the problem. Humans are fallible and make mistakes. Humans and courts are also subject to corruption and bias. The U.S. criminal justice system already requires the courts to present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, yet we still have innocent people being condemned.

The reality is that we simply cannot make a perfect justice system that works flawlessly, and because of that we should not have a death penalty which kills innocent people.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I hope this is sarcasm.

Why would I joke about it. Such government as Saudi Arabia literally apply the laws of Islam. I can't count how many times I get stressed out by people, by communities in real life to the point I get killing instinct, but then I chicken out because of a government following "Sharia-Law". So I look at it as protecting myself from myself and learn to cherish my life and others'.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Why would I joke about it. Such government as Saudi Arabia literally apply the laws of Islam. I can't count how many times I get stressed out by people, by communities in real life to the point I get killing instinct, but then I chicken out because of a government following "Sharia-Law". So I look at it as protecting myself from myself and learn to cherish my life and others'.

Not everyone needs religion or laws to know what's right and wrong. If only your god or your laws are holding you back from killing someone, you should see a psychiatrist before its too late.

 

[Lightbringer]

I can't count how many times I get stressed out by people, by communities in real life to the point I get killing instinct, but then I chicken out because of a government following "Sharia-Law".

Dude, that's not how the average person operates. If that is really all that's keeping you from committing vile crimes, then you really do need to seek help.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Not everyone needs religion or laws to know what's right and wrong. If only your god or your laws are holding you back from killing someone, you should see a psychiatrist before its too late.

Dude, that's not how the average person operates. If that is really all that's keeping you from committing vile crimes, then you really do need to seek help.

Can't disagree with you on that, guys. But I'm fine...... Also I need to see a psychiatrist to help me understand myself.

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Saudia Arabia is a totalitarian state that beheads people for things like being atheist. You're citing the worst example.

Saudia Arabia hasn't deterred crime either with its archaic system.

What you're professing has been done countless times and has never worked.

The atheism is another issue, but long story short, yes, if a native Saudi man decided to leave his religion, Islam, at first, they (the government) would discuss with him the reasons for why he chose to leave Islam. This would take long time to come to a verdict whether he chose to leave Islam with clear conscious or if he is mentally ill. The Saudi government would likely ask his family, the family would suggest for him to be put in mental hospital, hoping he would come to his senses. Or prison.

But you need to know, that Saudis are basically tribal ethnicity, their ancestors (from 1400 years ago) go back to the era of Prophet Muhammad's companions. The traditions, habits, customs, way of living, beliefs and moralities are a mixed of collections from tribes and Islam have been passed on generation after another, and they're still exist as we speak. Despite women drive cars now, and cinema are open everywhere, and more waves of changes still coming, the Saudis still the same in thoughts, beliefs. They have a sense of belonging and identity and they take pride in all that. My tribe is one of other tribes that share same thoughts and everything.

That's why I barely hear any Saudi doesn't want to be Muslim. Now this is about native Saudis, but when it comes to Muslim foreigners in Saudi Arabia, I doubt the Saudi government would hold any concern for foreigners' affairs when it comes to religion, because it would spark the relationship of the two countries, specially with that country the foreigner affiliated to.

Here is the problem. Humans are fallible and make mistakes. Humans and courts are also subject to corruption and bias. The U.S. criminal justice system already requires the courts to present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, yet we still have innocent people being condemned.

The reality is that we simply cannot make a perfect justice system that works flawlessly, and because of that we should not have a death penalty which kills innocent people.

Well, corruption is another issue that for some reason cripples the chain of justice. But a government does its best to deliver justice to both sides.

 

[Multiply]

I hope this is sarcasm.

That's literally why religion was created though; to teach people right and wrong. Even in the simplest forms of religion there are things one should do and things one should not do. Sure, humans don't need it to know right and wrong. However, if you think an almighty sky daddy or what-have-you will smite you for straying from their 'teachings', you're more inclined to play your role.

 

[Lightbringer]

Can't disagree with you on that, guys. But I'm fine...... Also I need to see a psychiatrist to help me understand myself.

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The atheism is another issue, but long story short, yes, if a native Saudi man decided to leave his religion, Islam, at first, they (the government) would discuss with him the reasons for why he chose to leave Islam. This would take long time to come to a verdict whether he chose to leave Islam with clear conscious or if he is mentally ill. The Saudi government would likely ask his family, the family would suggest for him to be put in mental hospital, hoping he would come to his senses. Or prison.

But you need to know, that Saudis are basically tribal ethnicity, their ancestors (from 1400 years ago) go back to the era of Prophet Muhammad's companions. The traditions, habits, customs, way of living, beliefs and moralities are a mixed of collections from tribes and Islam have been passed on generation after another, and they're still exist as we speak. Despite women drive cars now, and cinema are open everywhere, and more waves of changes still coming, the Saudis still the same in thoughts, beliefs. They have a sense of belonging and identity and they take pride in all that. My tribe is one of other tribes that share same thoughts and everything.

That's why I barely hear any Saudi doesn't want to be Muslim. Now this is about native Saudis, but when it comes to Muslim foreigners in Saudi Arabia, I doubt the Saudi government would hold any concern for foreigners' affairs when it comes to religion, because it would spark the relationship of the two countries, specially with that country the foreigner affiliated to.

Well, corruption is another issue that for some reason cripples the chain of justice. But a government does its best to deliver justice to both sides.

You're still not resolving the issue of killing innocent people. If the government was doing its best to do justice, then it wouldn't have a system in place which condemns innocent people to death.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

You're still not resolving the issue of killing innocent people. If the government was doing its best to do justice, then it wouldn't have a system in place which condemns innocent people to death.

OK, few individuals who God knows are innocent and they're going to be sentenced to death. What we're talking about here is certain group managed to set up a man/woman for a crime he/she didn't commit, and they managed to execute their plan secretly, successfully and flawlessly. The evidence lead to the innocent being a culprit, and there is no way the investigation would know that.

I understand your position on that, but what can be done to change things to the right path? How the law, the system would know if everything been as planned by -- some shady hands that control the scenario? Such set up as this would require quite man power, time and plan which gives us quite a sight of who we're dealing with. They are powerful and influential to set up such one innocent man.

I'm afraid there is no such resolve to such case you presumably imply. It would be scary as shit if such group of people like that exist.

 

[Lightbringer]

OK, few individuals who God knows are innocent and they're going to be sentenced to death. What we're talking about here is certain group managed to set up a man/woman for a crime he/she didn't commit, and they managed to execute their plan secretly, successfully and flawlessly. The evidence lead to the innocent being a culprit, and there is no way the investigation would know that.

I understand your position on that, but what can be done to change things to the right path? How the law, the system would know if everything been as planned by -- some shady hands that control the scenario? Such set up as this would require quite man power, time and plan which gives us quite a sight of who we're dealing with. They are powerful and influential to set up such one innocent man.

I'm afraid there is no such resolve to such case you presumably imply. It would be scary as shit if such group of people like that exist.

It's not just people who were "set up." In most of these cases, people were condemned based on the evidence presented and later on more evidence was uncovered that exonerated them from the alleged crimes.

There is an easy solution. Get rid of the death penalty....

If you want to get rid of crime, then focus on the source of what causes crime and not simply brush it away with a harsh punishment. A severe punishment for crime isn't going to stop more crime from happening.

The top 5 countries with the lowest crime rates, 3 of them don't even have the death penalty (Luxembourg, Switzerland, Iceland), and the other 2 rarely exercise it (Singapore, Japan). So clearly a death penalty is not necessary to having peace.

 

[TheEvilOne]

That's literally why religion was created though; to teach people right and wrong. Even in the simplest forms of religion there are things one should do and things one should not do. Sure, humans don't need it to know right and wrong. However, if you think an almighty sky daddy or what-have-you will smite you for straying from their 'teachings', you're more inclined to play your role.

Yeah, but its purpose is also to control clueless humans who seek for answers. We don't need religion to distinguish right from wrong.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

It's not just people who were "set up." In most of these cases, people were condemned based on the evidence presented and later on more evidence was uncovered that exonerated them from the alleged crimes.

Good I suppose?

If you want to get rid of crime, then focus on the source of what causes crime and not simply brush it away with a harsh punishment.

Source requires leads and leads require, guess what? Victims. You can't detect the source without a lead and the lead won't exist without a loss of life.

A severe punishment for crime isn't going to stop more crime from happening.

Yes, but it would lesser the rate of crimes. It's hitting fire with fire.

The top 5 countries with the lowest crime rates, 3 of them don't even have the death penalty, and the other 2 rarely exercise it. So clearly a death penalty is not necessary to having peace.

You have to count

- Corruption
- Country's natural sources
- Unemployment rate
- Poverty
- Quality of public services
- Level of national security

and more. All these are factors determine how high or how low the rate of crimes. Crime wouldn't exist for no reason.

 

[Lightbringer]

Good I suppose?

Source requires leads and leads require, guess what? Victims. You can't detect the source without a lead and the lead won't exist without a loss of life.

Yes, but it would lesser the rate of crimes. It's hitting fire with fire.

You have to count

- Corruption
- Country's natural sources
- Unemployment rate
- Poverty
- Quality of public services
- Level of national security

and more. All these are factors determine how high or how low the rate of crimes. Crime wouldn't exist for no reason.

You just contradicted yourself.

You first said that you can't detect the source of crime, but then you proceed to list the major causes of crime.....

Also, there is no credible study made that shows any evidence of the death penalty reducing crime.

 

[kiiro]

Poor kid, I would have like him to survive and live until his dream came true.

And I hate the idea that he was mistaken. Like, he had nothing to with it and pay the broken glasses.

Rest in peace.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

You just contradicted yourself.

You first said that you can't detect the source of crime, but then you proceed to list the major causes of crime.

and you don't notice why I separated this post of yours from that post of yours. I apologize for not making it clear enough for you.

This post talks about about one specific crime.

Source requires leads and leads require, guess what? Victims. You can't detect the source without a lead and the lead won't exist without a loss of life.

This post talks about crimes in general and what would cause them to exist.

You have to count

- Corruption
- Country's natural sources
- Unemployment rate
- Poverty
- Quality of public services
- Level of national security

and more. All these are factors determine how high or how low the rate of crimes. Crime wouldn't exist for no reason.

 

[Lightbringer]

and you don't notice why I separated this post of yours from that post of yours. I apologize for not making it clear enough for you.

This post talks about about one specific crime.


This post talks about crimes in general and what would cause them to exist.

Ok, but your comment was reply to my comment which was talking about crime as a whole, which you then supported with your second comment.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Ok, but your comment was reply to my comment which was talking about crime as a whole, which you then supported with your second comment.

No, the second comment has nothing to do with first comment. We were talking about something as a private case of its own, and the second as something general effecting a whole country. That's why I separated your whole post to parts.

 

[iNotorious]

happened in my neighborhood.

people are going crazy over here over this. rightfully so

I live 10 minutes from there. I tried going there yesterday but there were a lot of police folks and I couldn't get there in car.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I live 10 minutes from there. I tried going there yesterday but there were a lot of police folks and I couldn't get there in car.

you too should meet up irl. Im in Brooklyn myself but its still sad what happened.

 

[shimisama]

Is it common in the U.S to show Pictures and full names in the Media?
In Germany you most likely will only get something like first Name and first Letter of last name (no picture).
Condolence to the family, rip.