bijuu mode naruto vs. the previous hokages (one on one)

[Vin Thora]

It's nice to see that there are others with intelligence on the base. +rep.

Haha thankyou. I'm just fed up with people overrating characters. Next thing you know, people will be saying Ten Ten will make the Sage of Six Paths beg for mercy....

 

[Joon]

Explain to me how Hashirama would win this battle please.

I have to go to work now but I will be on later. If you can make even one scenario that I can't counter then I will cede the point to you.

If not then I expect you to admit you were wrong.

i agree with the the win goes to the first but the fourth would not lose to naruto if im not mistaken he is just as fast as him and unlike naruto he is a better thinker and can anaylze a situation better than naruto can. also he could easily use a teleportation barrier on any TTB as seen when he fought the Kyuubi in the episode 2 weeks ago. i dont think the fourth would lose to naruto but second and third prolly so

@Itachi Namikaze

I don't have any scenario or anything, but my opinion and suggesting that the First Hokage could win a battle against Naruto, in Bijuu Mode, was do to hype from Kishi in the Manga.

The First Hokage's Genes (Mokuton Creation) was said to be capable of taming or suppress the Tailed-Beast. Naruto's Bijuu Mode is similar to the power of Kyuubi himself. However, Naruto's Bijuu Mode was not complete and if it's true that the First Hokage was capable of controlling the Kyuubi (or Tailed-Beast), like that Manga stated, then the First Hokage winning the battle against Naruto would be possible. He might have his difficulties, but I sure he could win.

Also, being that Naruto isn't in complete Bijuu Mode, the First Hokage is not fighting the Kyuubi himself, but a weaken state of his being. Naruto also act as a medium to the Kyuubi while in Bijuu Mode. The First Hokage would just have to remove/separate Naruto from Kyuubi with his Mokuton Jutsu.

@Allan Hoshigaki

I understand that Minato has speed and Fuuinjutsu (Sealing Techniques) to his arsenal, but Naruto's defense, speed, and attack has increase or surpass that of Minato's while he is in Bijuu Mode. Bijuu Mode gives Naruto more to his arsenal and the upper advantage that can dominant over Minato's speed and Fuuinjutsu.

Minato's has Fuuinjutsu, but what can that do. It would only end the match in a "Draw" and would serve no true victory for Minato. He also has his Space/Time Barrier. That Jutsu can only be utilize a short amount of times in battle, especially if it's used countless times to counter Bijuu Ball's from the Kyuubi (Naruto's Bijuu Mode Bijuudama). He want have enough stamina in battle to utilize the technique repeatedly. Even if he does utilize the technique, he would have to be out of range from the aftermath of the explosion of the Bijuudama Technique.

Also, consider that this fight is a disadvantage to some characters of the opposite side, I think the "Thread Starter" should have place restrictions or taken off restrictions, such as: Naruto's time limit in Bijuu Mode which is 5 minutes, Second Hokage's Edo Tensei, etc. These can possibly help determine the winner without having to find loopholes.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Madara controlled Kurama, not Hashirama. He's one the strongest characters we've been introduced to so far, outstripping Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Itachi, Orochimaru, Madara etc.

Hashirama actually took control of Kurama during their fight.

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[Ryuu..]

Hashirama actually took control of Kurama during their fight.

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He didn't take control of it he just stopped Madara from using it. And that took skill............................

 

[Vin Thora]

Hashirama actually took control of Kurama during their fight.

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Whats your point? Madara started with control over Kurama. It was Hashirama's skill that helped him take Kurama's control away from Madara.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Whats your point? Madara started with control over Kurama. It was Hashirama's skill that helped him take Kurama's control away from Madara.

You said Hashirama didn't take control of Kurama in his fight with Madara when in fact he did. That's my point.

He didn't take control of it he just stopped Madara from using it. And that took skill............................

You can't really say that because we don't know how the fight went.

 

[narutownsyouall]

hashirama would lose so would madara

hashirama cant protect from TBB so he out

this is how it goes naruto jumps in the air and forms a TBB shoots it at Hashirama and he dies

naruto could do the same to Madara but i think to beat him he would have to use close combat and he is fast enogh to do so easily

 

[Blaze Release]

The only person im sure would win is hashirama.
Look at it this way. The ms was said to control the fox, madara had the ems which you could argue would strengthen his control of the fox and yet hashirama wrestled it away from him and used it against him.

Secondly mokouton as its been said suppresses chakra as weve seen with yamato doing this and participating in naruto's training. Current naruto might have full control of the fox and you could argue that therefore hashirama cannot wrestle it from him, but that doesnt mean he cannot suppress its chakra. If he can which i believe he could, naruto would be left with sm and he isnt winning in sm

 

[warlee]

A complete jin is different from a raging bijuu.

 

[Ryuu..]

The only person im sure would win is hashirama.
Look at it this way. The ms was said to control the fox, madara had the ems which you could argue would strengthen his control of the fox and yet hashirama wrestled it away from him and used it against him.

Secondly mokouton as its been said suppresses chakra as weve seen with yamato doing this and participating in naruto's training. Current naruto might have full control of the fox and you could argue that therefore hashirama cannot wrestle it from him, but that doesnt mean he cannot suppress its chakra. If he can which i believe he could, naruto would be left with sm and he isnt winning in sm

For once I completely agree with you.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

You're not serious are you? Hashirama won against EMS Madara who had Kurama under his control. Dont forget this is Kurama with double the chakra (Yin chakra not sealed at the time). The guy controlled 7 beasts at a point. Base Naruto (no Kurama basically)< Madara. If Hashirama won, how on earth would Naruto beat him?

Lets face it- Naruto isnt the most analytical, intelligent shinobi so Hashirama has an advantage there. Hashirama can just suppress Kurama's chakra and a major source of Naruto's stamina and power is no longer available to him.

If you say Naruto can beat Hashirama, you're implying Naruto can take Madara, which is clearly not the case. He's struggling against Tobi, who, speaking as Madara, says he's a mere "shadow of my former self". Naruto may beat Hashirama as he gets better, but at the moment, Hashirama clearly takes this fight.

Yamato was able to restrain 4 tailed Naruto with his Wood Release. Madara used his Wood Release to attack and kill nearly a whole platoon. These Wood Releases' power is a small fraction of the power Hashirama is able to generate. Hashirama's technique is one of the most powerful techniques we've been introduced to, alongside Chibuka Tensei, Swamo of the Underworld etc.

Hashirama also has Bringer of Darkness. WTF will Naruto do against that. If Naruto was as intelligent as say Kakashi, Itachi, Shikamaru etc. he could find a way, but the way he is atm, he wont last long.:flaw:

thank you put in great words like i said naruto would not beat hashirama i told another person this aswell ... well at least tried but i think he gets the point now

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Hashirama would destroy BM Naruto because of his Mokuton, isn't that obvious?

 

[Necron]

Hmmm... It's quite hard, but I'll say:

Hashirama 50% (mokuton)
Tobirama 35%
Sarutobi 30%
Minato 35%
Tsunade 20%

the % is the potential I estimate of each char's possibility to win agaist BM Naruto... The first 2 are just speculations though... U_U

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

The only person im sure would win is hashirama.
Look at it this way. The ms was said to control the fox, madara had the ems which you could argue would strengthen his control of the fox and yet hashirama wrestled it away from him and used it against him.

Secondly mokouton as its been said suppresses chakra as weve seen with yamato doing this and participating in naruto's training. Current naruto might have full control of the fox and you could argue that therefore hashirama cannot wrestle it from him, but that doesnt mean he cannot suppress its chakra. If he can which i believe he could, naruto would be left with sm and he isnt winning in sm

How would he suppress the Kyuubi chakra?

He would have to catch Naruto first, and I'm sure you saw how fast Naruto is.

I'm also sure you read the chapter where Naruto, with a tiny fragment of the 9-tails power destroyed the largest mokuton attack that we have yet seen.

And all the times that chakra has been suppressed Naruto, or the 9-tails has been still, as in not moving.

Please think this through logically instead of just saying he would get his chakra suppressed.

 

[SAGEPATH]

Lol new generation always beats old lets move and be friends kishi is gonna power up naruto again

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[Ryuu..]

How would he suppress the Kyuubi chakra?

He would have to catch Naruto first, and I'm sure you saw how fast Naruto is.

I'm also sure you read the chapter where Naruto, with a tiny fragment of the 9-tails power destroyed the largest mokuton attack that we have yet seen.

And all the times that chakra has been suppressed Naruto, or the 9-tails has been still, as in not moving.

Please think this through logically instead of just saying he would get his chakra suppressed.

You're blinded by the fact you underrate Hashirama and therefore do not want him to win. The fact is, his Mokuton ability renders the Kyuubi's chakra useless.

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

Why do people think Hashirama is so powerful? He couldn't even beat Madara with the EMS.

He needed help from his wife and the 9-tails to do so. And still Hashirama didn't kill him.

I agree with this.

He is powerful. But he wouldnt have won that fight if he didnt have kurama

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

You're blinded by the fact you underrate Hashirama and therefore do not want him to win. The fact is, his Mokuton ability renders the Kyuubi's chakra useless.

Is that a serious post?

You have to be joking. The mere presence of mokuton doesn't negate all of the 9-tails powers. I don't know what manga you are reading but it isn't the same one I am reading.

I'm not sure if you can read though, as you clearly don't understand that if he wanted to suppress Naruto's chakra he would have to catch him, or not have his mokuton destroyed.

Base Naruto destroyed Madara's mokuton attack, which was far greater than anything that has been shown to date.

Ifa clone of Naruto can do that with a fraction of the 9-tails power then I'm sure the real Naruto with full chakra can destroy mokuton as well.


Unfortunately as a Hashirama fanboy you clearly can't understand this. You can't counter my points, or you refuse to, and so you have lost this argument.

Must I show manga pages that show Naruto destroying mokuton? And clones of base Naruto being fast enough to counter said mokuton attack? And yet you think that Naruto in any of his modes can be caught and have his chakra suppressed.


Honestly even SM Naruto is enough for this battle, but with BM and KM he takes this easy. EASY

 

[TobisPawn]

Why do people think Hashirama is so powerful? He couldn't even beat Madara with the EMS.

He needed help from his wife and the 9-tails to do so. And still Hashirama didn't kill him.

Seriously. People seem to forget that Hiruzen was the strongest Kage, but yet Naruto can beat him but not Hashirama? And Tobirama had S/T and Edo Tensei. Either Naruto can beat all three of them, or none of them.
And Minato, not sure. Possibly Naruto.



AND everyone needs to shut up about Naruto>Hashirama implying Naruto>Madara. Madara has the RINNEGAN and one of the strongest, if not strongest, Motukon. So now Madara>Hashirama.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Seriously. People seem to forget that Hiruzen was the strongest Kage, but yet Naruto can beat him but not Hashirama? And Tobirama had S/T and Edo Tensei. Either Naruto can beat all three of them, or none of them.
And Minato, not sure. Possibly Naruto.



AND everyone needs to shut up about Naruto>Hashirama implying Naruto>Madara. Madara has the RINNEGAN and one of the strongest, if not strongest, Motukon. So now Madara>Hashirama.

Thank you!!!

Everyone is comparing Hashirama to the Edo Madara, even though the current Edo Madara is so far out of Hashirama's league it isn't even funny.


Edo Madara = EMS Madara + Hashirama + Nagato

He has the powers of all 3, and has an insane amount of chakra to be pulling off the moves he already has.

Anyway +rep to you sir.