[VS] Big Mom vs marineford akainu

[Vandenre1ch]

You're wrong. There was no sneak attacking. White beard won in his weakest state

This logic makes no sense whatsoever. By this logic, you're saying Jozu, Marco, Aokiji, Kizaru, Sabo, Fujiotra, Mingo etc.>Akainu. WB was so weak that bullet rain from the WB pirates could finish him off. Since bullets could finish him off, that means 1 of the following could've killed WB in that state:

-Sengoku shockwave
-Garp punch
-Ace fire first
-Aokiji ice time
-Kizaru Yasaka no Nagatama
-Fujitora Gravitou Mukou
-Sabo fire fist
-Mingo god thread
-Luffy KKG

Even after two point blank gura punches(the most powerful during the war), Akainu was still stronger than the likes of even Marco. Marco could temporarily stall him even though he had back up. Chasing them off with his hands in his pockets. Its completely ridiculous that a WB that weak could kill a fresh Akainu, when two of his gura punches didn't do that much damage.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Typical Riker fuckery 101.

Says Akainu>WB. Post the one scan of a character to succumbing to a previous attack as an excuse. Then he deviates the topic to how and what time it takes molten lava excess amount of time just to get up from underground. He will devote 90% of his focus on how much time it gets lava to rise from undergound just to make it seem like he won the argument disregarding the fact on how akainu ended up in underneath the ground in the first place was by losing.

After trying to prove a point on something completely irrelevant, fuckboi number one(Vandenre1ch) and two sides with him and agrees with all his nonsense.

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It's honestly one of the reasons why I just don't like entertaining clowns such as him. His best and only way of arguing with people is to use the oldest fallacy trick in the book "Slippery slope."

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But blind side attack all of a sudden became an issue when WB uses it but not when Akainu uses it and when the opponent is suffering from injuries? Interesting. Because when WB was blindsided and attacked when he was down with a hole in his chest, he lost part of his face but was still capable of fighting. Akainu gets blindside once and he ends up underground running away from WB (bfr btw) and somehow he wins?

Wow, you learn something new every day from those clowns. Well I'm done here, because it seems like a wasted effort using logic with people with the critical thinking skills of a brick wall.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Typical Riker fuckery 101.

Says Akainu>WB. Post the one scan of a character to succumbing to a previous attack as an excuse.

Whitebeard didn't succumb to a previous attack. He succumbed to a heart attack. Whitebeard himself said Squard's stab didn't hurt him.

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Then he deviates the topic to how and what time it takes molten lava excess amount of time just to get up from underground. He will devote 90% of his focus on how much time it gets lava to rise from undergound just to make it seem like he won the argument disregarding the fact on how akainu ended up in underneath the ground in the first place was by losing.

What? I didn't deviate the topic at all. You used the fact that Akainu was underground for a certain period of time as an argument that he was avoiding fighting Whitebeard because he was afraid of him. I corrected you saying the reason he was underground for that time was melting through the ground isn't really a fast thing to do. I did that in one sentence and that was my only post on the matter of the lava's speed, so the bolded part of your post especially makes no sense.

It's honestly one of the reasons why I just don't like entertaining clowns such as him. His best and only way of arguing with people is to use the oldest fallacy trick in the book "Slippery slope."

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Which one of my arguments here fall into slippery slope?

But blind side attack all of a sudden became an issue when WB uses it but not when Akainu uses it and when the opponent is suffering from injuries? Interesting. Because when WB was blindsided and attacked when he was down with a hole in his chest, he lost part of his face but was still capable of fighting. Akainu gets blindside once and he ends up underground running away from WB (bfr btw) and somehow he wins?

Like I said before, Whitebeard had no injury, but was handicapped by his illness. I outright stated the reason WB would lose to Akainu is because of handicap. I am not dismissing that Whitebeard would beat Akainu if he had the health of his prime at all.

"Still capable of fighting," and yet simple bullets and sword strikes were able to kill him. Meanwhile, Akainu was able to fight as though nothing had happened to him.

Akainu wins because we saw them facing off with each other in a straight fight after Akainu blindsided to block his attack, and the end result was Whitebeard slumped on the ground with a chest full of magma. Considering that Whitebeard was left so weakened he couldn't stop fodder, but Akainu was able to tunnel through the ground and remain fighting with ease shows that Whitebeard's heart attack+Akainu's magma left Whitebeard in a worse condition than Whitebeard left Akainu in.

The fact remains that you say "Akainu blindsided WB, so the feat doesn't count," but the feat you're latching onto took 100% within a blindside, while the feat we are referring to took place during a straight fight that occurred after a blindside had ceased.

Wow, you learn something new every day from those clowns. Well I'm done here, because it seems like a wasted effort using logic with people with the critical thinking skills of a brick wall.

This actually makes me sad, because you truly believe that sending mindless insults every which makes you intelligent and a good debater. I pity you, tbh.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Typical Riker fuckery 101.

Says Akainu>WB. Post the one scan of a character to succumbing to a previous attack as an excuse. Then he deviates the topic to how and what time it takes molten lava excess amount of time just to get up from underground. He will devote 90% of his focus on how much time it gets lava to rise from undergound just to make it seem like he won the argument disregarding the fact on how akainu ended up in underneath the ground in the first place was by losing.

After trying to prove a point on something completely irrelevant, fuckboi number one(Vandenre1ch) and two sides with him and agrees with all his nonsense.

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It's honestly one of the reasons why I just don't like entertaining clowns such as him. His best and only way of arguing with people is to use the oldest fallacy trick in the book "Slippery slope."

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But blind side attack all of a sudden became an issue when WB uses it but not when Akainu uses it and when the opponent is suffering from injuries? Interesting. Because when WB was blindsided and attacked when he was down with a hole in his chest, he lost part of his face but was still capable of fighting. Akainu gets blindside once and he ends up underground running away from WB (bfr btw) and somehow he wins?

Wow, you learn something new every day from those clowns. Well I'm done here, because it seems like a wasted effort using logic with people with the critical thinking skills of a brick wall.

Its not my fault that you contradicted yourself. You say Akainu's blows doesn't count as it was a blindside but you cling to WB blindsiding Akainu. When someone points out this obvious case of contradiction, you resort to more insults. I straight up said Old WB was the strongest but he ain't defeating any top tier because of his heart attacks and gave reasons why thinking deadish WB could kill Akainu was ridiculous. You're unable to give any counter argument and just throw insults thinking it makes you look smart.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Its not my fault that you contradicted yourself. You say Akainu's blows doesn't count as it was a blindside but you cling to WB blindsiding Akainu. When someone points out this obvious case of contradiction, you resort to more insults. I straight up said Old WB was the strongest but he ain't defeating any top tier because of his heart attacks and gave reasons why thinking deadish WB could kill Akainu was ridiculous. You're unable to give any counter argument and just throw insults thinking it makes you look smart.

See how illiterate you are?

I never said that akainu's blows doesn't count because it was a blindside, I said it doesn't mean you are superior because Crocodile did it to Mihawk.
Akainu attacked WB when he wasn't paying attention and down while coughing blood and WB attaacked Akainu from behind, so it doesn't matter it's a freaking fight. What matters is who won after each of them attacked each other and WB clearly won in that fight. So I never contradicted myself in the first place.

Point is even a yonkou in his/her best days to his/her worst days, an admiral still doesn't beat a yonkou it's not happening.
Still laughing at Rikers post too. You guys are weak as shit.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

White beard at his Marine ford state was definitely not stronger than his younger self. It's been stated plenty of times that white beard was sick and weaker than he use to be.

You act like because of what akainu did to whitebeard makes him the stronger of that fight. Akainu would've done that to anybody in close range, it's the nature of his ability, except for the one person whose heat can match his, marco.

Whitebeard succumbed previous damage, and heart attacks, took the damage he took from akainu and still remained the last one standing. Plot saved akainu, whitebeard has and always was shown to be probably the most durable person in one piece besides maybe kaido, so of course he tanked as much as he did, plot didn't save him, plot saved akainu cause all white beard had to do after hitting akainu is just that, he should've hit him again and again, why wouldn't he have? Akainu killed ace, it's because plot saved akainu.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Anyways going off post 5 I say big Mom spanks akainu

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

See this is how I know Vandenre1ch can't think for himself and just copy every fallacy Riker makes?

Riker's post:

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A class act of monkey see monkey do. All you do is read Riker's post and try to paraphrase it to your own to try to look like you have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

Literally both of you are wrong because I did not say that the blindside attack didn't count, they both did it so no one should complain about that of cheating or leverage. My point is that blindside attack doesn't mean akainu is superior because Crocodile did it to Mihawk. And in no way is Crocodile stronger than Mihawk either. The point is that end result WB won because he K.O him down underground. He stopped the fight, he sent Akainu literally digging away from him.

@Vandenre1ch you need to learn how to think for yourself, Riker himself is no threat. He's a rambler. A slippery slope that can't focus on arguing the topic at hand. I don't ignore him because I don't have a counter, I ignore him because he's a annoying idiotic brat that wants to be heard while forcing his opinions on everybody. Do you know how many flaws and counters I found in that last post he made?
kid you need to grow up and stop nut-riding your favor member. Use your head.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

See how illiterate you are?

I never said that akainu's blows doesn't count because it was a blindside, I said it doesn't mean you are superior because Crocodile did it to Mihawk.
Akainu attacked WB when he wasn't paying attention and down while coughing blood and WB attaacked Akainu from behind, so it doesn't matter it's a freaking fight. What matters is who won after each of them attacked each other and WB clearly won in that fight. So I never contradicted myself in the first place.

Point is even a yonkou in his/her best days to his/her worst days, an admiral still doesn't beat a yonkou it's not happening.
Still laughing at Rikers post too. You guys are weak as shit.

Ironic that keep saying someone is illiterate when you have low comprehension. At least decent comprehension is mandatory for a good job. Take that advice to heart.

You said Akainu stopped WB's gura bisento was Akainu blindsiding aka doesn't count as him being superior & compared it to Croc DEFLECTING Mihawk's slash. AKainu didn't deflect it. He stopped it completely. Akainu won the first fight with WB after WB got a heart attack. According to you, that also doesn't count but WB cheap shotting Akainu to win that bout applies just fine. Its an obvious contradiction & double standards.

See this is how I know Vandenre1ch can't think for himself and just copy every fallacy Riker makes?

Riker's post:

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A class act of monkey see monkey do. All you do is read Riker's post and try to paraphrase it to your own to try to look like you have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

Literally both of you are wrong because I did not say that the blindside attack didn't count, they both did it so no one should complain about that of cheating or leverage. My point is that blindside attack doesn't mean akainu is superior because Crocodile did it to Mihawk. And in no way is Crocodile stronger than Mihawk either. The point is that end result WB won because he K.O him down underground. He stopped the fight, he sent Akainu literally digging away from him.

@Vandenre1ch you need to learn how to think for yourself, Riker himself is no threat. He's a rambler. A slippery slope that can't focus on arguing the topic at hand. I don't ignore him because I don't have a counter, I ignore him because he's a annoying idiotic brat that wants to be heard while forcing his opinions on everybody. Do you know how many flaws and counters I found in that last post he made?
kid you need to grow up and stop nut-riding your favor member. Use your head.

Wait...so its a bad thing to have similar ways of posting/ saying something similar to another member? So now I have to analyze every post I see to make sure I don't say the same thing as someone else? I can make comparison to you & many other low intellect members by your logic & say you all need each other. Saying "that doesn't count" is a phrase so common & simple.

This whole posts falls apart by the very fact that Riker & I disagree on plenty of things, Katakuri being one of them. Make sure you read every post thoroughly on each & every topic because if you say the same thing as something else even if its "Guy A med diffs", you obviously can't think for yourself according to your logic. For example, you must obviously dickride Hashirama Senjuu cause he said Sick WB>Akainu just like you. Change your posts. Quickly.

Btw, I was talking about you ignoring MY posts. Like post #41?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Umm how would bigmom
Use her devil fruit and use Haki at same time ??
In order to touch akainu she needs Haki in her hands so she tech would not be touching him directly

Or does it go through ?

Also akainu can just have his body as lava and burn tf out of big mom

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Umm how would bigmom
Use her devil fruit and use Haki at same time ??
In order to touch akainu she needs Haki in her hands so she tech would not be touching him directly

Or does it go through ?

Also akainu can just have his body as lava and burn tf out of big mom

You can't think for yourself. You & everyone who said or implied that Akainu beats BM obviously nut ride each other. Well, according to Rikudou Tobi's logic.

See Rikudou? See how messed up your logic is? And to think you went though all that trouble for that.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ironic that keep saying someone is illiterate when you have low comprehension. At least decent comprehension is mandatory for a good job. Take that advice to heart.

So you do the usual typical retort by saying "No not me but you are" childish reply without pointing out what exactly I did not comprehend.

You said Akainu stopped WB's gura bisento was Akainu blindsiding aka doesn't count as him being superior & compared it to Croc DEFLECTING Mihawk's slash. AKainu didn't deflect it. He stopped it completely. Akainu won the first fight with WB after WB got a heart attack. According to you, that also doesn't count but WB cheap shotting Akainu to win that bout applies just fine. Its an obvious contradiction & double standards.

Will you stfu with your stupid interpretations and stop assuming? screenshot or quote the part I used the phrase "doesn't count" in my post. Wtf is "Akainu blindsiding aka doesn't count" mean? That's a stupid speculation that I never said and in no means was that wording ever intended too.
Akainu never won no first fight either, there was only one fight. And Akainu hit WB with a surprise attack twice yet I don't see you bitching about it either. There is no cheap shotting in war, it's a fight stupid.

Wait...so its a bad thing to have similar ways of posting/ saying something similar to another member? So now I have to analyze every post I see to make sure I don't say the same thing as someone else? I can make comparison to you & many other low intellect members by your logic & say you all need each other. Saying "that doesn't count" is a phrase so common & simple.

Usually when claiming I used a phrase "doesn't count" when I actually did not say those words usually means you actually did not read my post but someone else who speculated I did. And you made it obviously clear that you did when you are the only other person in this thread that claimed I used those "common & simple" words besides Riker. And lol at the low intellectual insult because you know for I fact that I'm well above you, you clown. Way way smarter. So sit down and be humble kid.

This whole posts falls apart by the very fact that Riker & I disagree on plenty of things, Katakuri being one of them. Make sure you read every post thoroughly on each & every topic because if you say the same thing as something else even if its "Guy A med diffs", you obviously can't think for yourself according to your logic. For example, you must obviously dickride Hashirama Senjuu cause he said Sick WB>Akainu just like you. Change your posts. Quickly.

Hashirama senjuu is not the only one that thinks WB>Akainu, so how am I nut riding one member now?
Listen kid, you can disagree on a very few things. But a nut-ride is a nut ride when you piggyback off of somebody elses retort just to try to counter mine (which you failed by the way).

Btw, I was talking about you ignoring MY posts. Like post #41?

Don't know what this is suppose to mean

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You can't think for yourself. You & everyone who said or implied that Akainu beats BM obviously nut ride each other. Well, according to Rikudou Tobi's logic.

See Rikudou? See how messed up your logic is? And to think you went though all that trouble for that.

Boy begin to even understand logic before posting this thing.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

So you do the usual typical retort by saying "No not me but you are" childish reply without pointing out what exactly I did not comprehend.

So its okay for you to throw insults & whine because you don't like what some people say? Hypocrisy.

Will you stfu with your stupid interpretations and stop assuming? screenshot or quote the part I used the phrase "doesn't count" in my post. Wtf is "Akainu blindsiding aka doesn't count" mean? That's a stupid speculation that I never said and in no means was that wording ever intended too.
Akainu never won no first fight either, there was only one fight. And Akainu hit WB with a surprise attack twice yet I don't see you bitching about it either. There is no cheap shotting in war, it's a fight stupid.

Do you understand what context is? Doesn't apply, doesn't count, doesn't mean anything....all of these used to the same effect. You keep taking things VERY literally which is why I said to strengthen your comprehension. "What does that imply?" "What is the correlation?" Understand any of these phrases?

Usually when claiming I used a phrase "doesn't count" when I actually did not say those words usually means you actually did not read my post but someone else who speculated I did. And you made it obviously clear that you did when you are the only other person in this thread that claimed I used those "common & simple" words besides Riker. And lol at the low intellectual insult because you know for I fact that I'm well above you, you clown. Way way smarter. So sit down and be humble kid.

I never understood why people keep referring to others as "kid" in an attempt to put them down. If I'm a kid, you need to realize that you keep trying to match wits with said kid & is coming off as the immature one. You're indirectly saying that you have the mentality, wit, & comprehension of a child.

Don't know what this is suppose to mean

Of course you don't.....among a lot of other things apparently....

Hashirama senjuu is not the only one that thinks WB>Akainu, so how am I nut riding one member now?
Listen kid, you can disagree on a very few things. But a nut-ride is a nut ride when you piggyback off of somebody elses retort just to try to counter mine (which you failed by the way).

Another contraction. Its okay for others to say the same things as someone else or agree with each other's assessments, but in this topic, its a bad thing when 2 guys are coming at you only because you keep coming back at them? Because you don't like it? Again, with your messed up logic, you can never agree with anyone or say anything similar to them ever again if you don't want to be a hypocrite.

All you're doing is trying to grasp at any straw you can to weaken someone's argument. Your best retort was calling me an Akainu fanboy because I said something you didn't like, even though I said Old WB was the strongest. Its really bad when don't understand your own logic & take everything word or phrase literally. You don't even attempt to understand what someone is saying & just lose your sh!t because of even one phrase you don't like or understand.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I said Akainu was protecting the platform until the seastone walls came up, after that he didn't bother with the platform because garp and sengoku were right there. Stupid.

Again with the retarded incoherent nonsense statement. Talking about Kidd being able to cause tsunami's and more bullshit IS opinionated rambling you stupid dolt. Now sit down and stfu while taking notes to your intellectual superior you pleb. It's abundantly clear that you know nothing at all.


Crocodile was also able to deflect Mihawk's two hand swing with his one handed hook, so does that mean Crocodile beats Mihawk now? NO!
WANNA KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERCEPTION YOU DUMBASS!
Almost anyone can intercept a hit that is not aimed at them, it's a common blind-slide attack. And two handed under hand swing is weaker than low kick stomp, any body that actually sparred a day in their life knows this. But clearly your retarded ass doesn't.
So yeah WB beating Akainu so badly that he gets buried underground and avoided fighting WB after that ass whooping during the whole entire war, is called called getting destroyed. Moron.

This is retarded rambling. You don't know if the pirate king himself finished within a year and you don't know if whitebeard and kaidou can do the same. And during kaidou reveal he never made any mention about kaidou one on one until after that stupid Akainu hype of completing onepiece.
All your doing is speculating akainu's hype you stupid fanboy. Oda didn't say akainu was stronger than any yonkou nor did he mention the pirate era Akainu can finish onepiece within a year. You're just a retard for thinking akainu can beat a yonkou just because akainu can find onepiece in a year. That's retarded especially when a few moments later Oda said kaidou one on one will win. Stupid.

God you're so fucking dumb. Even Riker isn't this stupid.

You said this to counter my point about Akainu stopping WB's gura bistento with his leg. You brought up Croc intercepting Mihawk to say Akainu "intercepting" WB apparently doesn't matter, comparing it to Akainu to say it was a blind-side attack. You said this, but cling to WB blind-siding WB to say he's much stronger in his weaken state. That is an obvious contradiction & double standards. Surely you can comprehend this.

Also, its blind-SIDING. Not sliding. There is no L. And you call me illiterate.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So its okay for you to throw insults & whine because you don't like what some people say? Hypocrisy.

Ironic part about this is that if you go back and look and see who started throwing insults around, you where the first one that started it bitching and complain while dishing out insults.

All I did was respond according. If you're too much a immature dolt to handle insults being thrown back at you, don't start it in the first place stupid.

Do you understand what context is? Doesn't apply, doesn't count, doesn't mean anything....all of these used to the same effect. You keep taking things VERY literally which is why I said to strengthen your comprehension. "What does that imply?" "What is the correlation?" Understand any of these phrases?

You're very dense if you can't simply grasp what's being said here. You are again assuming my context, my implications, and my phrases. This is like my third time repeating this. I never said it "doesn't count" nor did I say "it doesn't mean anything" end of story, I don't care if you want to count it or not. The fact is that objectively whitebeard won. It's plain and simple, I cannot make this easier for you if you're too stupid to comprehend this first grade level of English.

You need to stop assuming, you look dumb every time you do it.

I never understood why people keep referring to others as "kid" in an attempt to put them down. If I'm a kid, you need to realize that you keep trying to match wits with said kid & is coming off as the immature one. You're indirectly saying that you have the mentality, wit, & comprehension of a child.

The misconception here is matching. Nobody is matching here. I'm teaching you, I want you to learn and when correcting a child that doesn't not even an ounce of rational skills as you do yet remains stubborn you refer to that individual as a kid. A kid is a stubborn child. I've been repeating the same thing over and over and yet it still doesn't click in that dense head of yours.

Of course you don't.....among a lot of other things apparently....

So many things wrong with that statement that I'm not going to entertain this thing here. It's just you trying to have the last say like kids usually do.

Another contraction. Its okay for others to say the same things as someone else or agree with each other's assessments, but in this topic, its a bad thing when 2 guys are coming at you only because you keep coming back at them? Because you don't like it? Again, with your messed up logic, you can never agree with anyone or say anything similar to them ever again if you don't want to be a hypocrite.

So you're telling me that you and Riker are the only ones in this entire thread that thinks Akainu wins against Big mam? Because this is the little excuse I'm getting from you right now?

And like I said before that you keep avoiding to answer. You and Riker conveniently happen to be the ones that claimed I said something that I did not. I never said "the blind-side attack doesn't count" so where are you getting this from if not Riker? Because I never said it yet you accuse me of doing it right after Riker's post.
Answer this question first.

All you're doing is trying to grasp at any straw you can to weaken someone's argument. Your best retort was calling me an Akainu fanboy because I said something you didn't like, even though I said Old WB was the strongest. Its really bad when don't understand your own logic & take everything word or phrase literally. You don't even attempt to understand what someone is saying & just lose your sh!t because of even one phrase you don't like or understand.

I called you a nut-rider because you falsely accused me of a statement that I did not make. You're a fanboy because I posted a scan of WB literally beating akainu to the point he fell underground and you denied it for some biased reason. When you deny the black and white ink that Oda written/drew on a page for your own gain is called bias. And if that bias is for a character in the manga, it's called being a fanboy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Stop feeding the troll, Vander. It's not worth it

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You said this to counter my point about Akainu stopping WB's gura bistento with his leg. You brought up Croc intercepting Mihawk to say Akainu "intercepting" WB apparently doesn't matter, comparing it to Akainu to say it was a blind-side attack. You said this, but cling to WB blind-siding WB to say he's much stronger in his weaken state. That is an obvious contradiction & double standards. Surely you can comprehend this.

You digress every step of the way. Like I said before, I never said it doesn't matter. All I said that it doesn't mean Akainu is stronger because in my example Mihawk went through the same thing. It's bound to happen especially when WB wasn't paying attention to Akainu. And this is the simple thing that you failed to grasp with what very little sense you have.
And what I emphasize on is that fact that WB dropped Akainu underground unconscious, that's what I've been cling on to the whole time. The only argument you held on to so dearly the whole time is that akainu stopped WB swing mid way with his feat. That's it. You would not let that up, and it's a weak argument that I countered just for the sake of it.

[Also, its blind-SIDING. Not sliding. There is no L. And you call me illiterate.

So you want me to go back and correct all your spelling typos you made earlier? Because I can play that game too you know?
Starting with you last post ellipsis you made with low cases letters that followed afterwards.
Even here all these mistakes here I choose to ignore for you. (this is by glance)

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Funny how that Riker tool knows he he copied him. Of course riker would be also dumb enough to claim that I said akainu's blind-siding attack didn't count despite not even mentioning that at all.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Umm how would bigmom
Use her devil fruit and use Haki at same time ??
In order to touch akainu she needs Haki in her hands so she tech would not be touching him directly

Or does it go through ?

Also akainu can just have his body as lava and burn tf out of big mom

Big mom's devil fruit makes the users spirit appear around them like an aura and she grabs that. She doesn't technically have to touch them, plus Zeus can probably make it rain a shit ton hardening akainu and what not with water and lava mixing