[VS] Big Mom vs marineford akainu

[chopstickchakra]

Melting through the ground isn't exactly fast.

real world standards in a manga? Akainu is magma and all magma is, is melted earth so using his power to go through the earth shouldn't actually be that hard

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

LMAO no he's not dude. Sick WB caught a heart attack and couldn't defend himself against fodder. Sick WB plus magma meteors=dead WB.

Sick WB's body isn't keeping up with his power, or Akainu's.

He already did, and won.

In the fight it's so clear that wb even with old age and being sick is stronger than akainu. All akainu did was survive, whitebeard is and was portrayed stronger at any stage of his life.

Edit: Sorry for the dp double post that is

 

[Punk Hazard]

He already did, and won.

By this logic, the Yeti Cool Brothers won against Zoro and Sanji by sneak-shotting them.

Sneak attacks don't count as a straight fight. A straight fight is Akainu vs Whitebeard Round 1, which WB handily lost.

 

[scorezor]

Funny shes been shown to siphon her opponents life by taking their soul on contact. She can use other people's soul to give life to non living objects to use for slaves. She can use her own soul to create humanoid blobs that attack and absorb others souls on contact. Using her own soul to put in non living objects like fire and thunderclouds she has made Zeus and prometheus which can cause severe storms and fire.

So we haven't seen anything from her? Huh funny could've fooled me by how much I've see

show me a panel where we saw her fighting , there's none right? so... yeah , stop assuming stuff ,on how she fights and stuff like that , first we have to see people fighting , so that these threads are reasonable lol ...

 

[arv993]

lmao akainu defenders are reaching as usual. And eventually go to their bs trump card where oda said akainu as a MC would get OP. and then forget oda says that kaido is the strongest in the manga not akainu.

anyways back to the point BM has no feats but hype wise they are very close but I give the edge to BM because she is portrayed as super durable and is likely above the mf old wb by a decent margin.

 

[Punk Hazard]

lmao admiral defenders are reaching as usual. And eventually go to their bs trump card where oda said akainu as a MC would get OP. and then forget oda says that kaido is the strongest in the manga not akainu.

anyways back to the point BM has no feats but hype wise they are very close but I give the edge to BM because she is portrayed assuper durable and is likely above the mf old wb by a decent margin.

How does Kaido being the strongest negate the hype Oda gave Akainu?

Akainu is above him by a decent margin too so giving BM the edge for this reason is illogical

 

[ToshiZO]

Why are we always revisiting Akainu shitting on MF WB? Let the man R.I.P.

 

[arv993]

How does Kaido being the strongest negate the hype Oda gave Akainu?

Akainu is above him by a decent margin too so giving BM the edge for this reason is illogical

Getting OP is a very subjective measure, it could be due to his great strength along with leadership and manipulation that can lead him to OP also having plot armor etc. The point oda was making is you cant have too strong of an MC which akainu clearly would be.
Some argue that akainu is the best due to that statement which is absolute nonsense.

If a guy cant down wb when he has a heart attack, he is not above him by a good margin, I cant see Bm or any experienced yonko having such a pitiful performance that akainu had. this wb btw had no semblance of his reflexes and observation haki and yet akainu had the trouble he had.

 

[milkydean]

Akainu above WB? What am I reading? Wb with a hole in his heart, multiple stabs and heart attacks still managed to floor Akainu. If WB was in good health, Akainu would have lost low-mid diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu above WB? What am I reading? Wb with a hole in his heart, multiple stabs and heart attacks still managed to floor Akainu. If WB was in good health, Akainu would have lost low-mid diff.

Except WB at his best health at MF got floored by Akainu. WB only got the jump on Akainu because it was just that: A jump. Akainu wins a straight fight period

 

[YellowFang]

Akainu was proving why WB was too old to fight with the big boys in MF. Haven't seen much singles combat abilities from BM, she sure can wreak havoc on islands and stuff but I doubt she's a one on one fighter type.

So, IMHO Akainu wins comfortably.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I said Akainu was trying to protect the platform & you said no becuase of the wall. I refuted that & hell if I know why you said what you did.

I said Akainu was protecting the platform until the seastone walls came up, after that he didn't bother with the platform because garp and sengoku were right there. Stupid.

You being an idiot is 100% confirmed with your "manga facts" rambling. Just another idiot that thinks his flawed opinion is a fact.

Again with the retarded incoherent nonsense statement. Talking about Kidd being able to cause tsunami's and more bullshit IS opinionated rambling you stupid dolt. Now sit down and stfu while taking notes to your intellectual superior you pleb. It's abundantly clear that you know nothing at all.

WB swung his gura empowered bisento with both hands & Akainu stopped it with one leg & his hands in his pockets. That was before any heart attacks. Yeah...Akainu would get destroyed in a real fight.....

Crocodile was also able to deflect Mihawk's two hand swing with his one handed hook, so does that mean Crocodile beats Mihawk now? NO!
WANNA KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERCEPTION YOU DUMBASS!
Almost anyone can intercept a hit that is not aimed at them, it's a common blind-slide attack. And two handed under hand swing is weaker than low kick stomp, any body that actually sparred a day in their life knows this. But clearly your retarded ass doesn't.
So yeah WB beating Akainu so badly that he gets buried underground and avoided fighting WB after that ass whooping during the whole entire war, is called called getting destroyed. Moron.

Oda said Akainu would become PK within a year because he is THAT strong. That means he would get pass the other yonkou which directly says he is yonko tier(yonko tier...admiral tier...same thing). More evidence of your idiocy is that you say "What you say is debunked cause Kaidou is the strongest." Oda made that comment about Akainu AFTER Kaidou was revealed. By your logic, no one is capable of stopping Kaidou because he is the strongest. Kaidou being the strongest & unbeatable are two different things.

This is retarded rambling. You don't know if the pirate king himself finished within a year and you don't know if whitebeard and kaidou can do the same. And during kaidou reveal he never made any mention about kaidou one on one until after that stupid Akainu hype of completing onepiece.
All your doing is speculating akainu's hype you stupid fanboy. Oda didn't say akainu was stronger than any yonkou nor did he mention the pirate era Akainu can finish onepiece within a year. You're just a retard for thinking akainu can beat a yonkou just because akainu can find onepiece in a year. That's retarded especially when a few moments later Oda said kaidou one on one will win. Stupid.

God you're so fucking dumb. Even Riker isn't this stupid.

 

[Punk Hazard]

"Shut the **** up you idiot"

"You're rambling you retard"

"No, you're the retard, your argument doesn't work" *offers no reasoning to explain the flaws in argument*

"You're such an idiot."

Debating 101

Almost anyone can intercept a hit that is not aimed at them, it's a common blind-slide attack.
So yeah WB beating Akainu so badly that he gets buried underground and avoided fighting WB after that ass whooping during the whole entire war, is called called getting destroyed. Moron.

Anyone else wanna talk about how Variah just said Akainu's feat is invalid because it was a blind-side attack, and then immediately segwayed into saying WB beat the shit out of Akainu through a blind-side attack is a valid feat?

 

[KCN]

Sakazuki wins imo. I'm not comfortable with putting anybody definitively above him aside from Kaido and prime WB/Rodger right now.

 

[LBeezy]

Again, people are still misinterpreting what Oda said about Akainu and the story of One Piece.. smh

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I wonder if people can make up their minds. They say Old WB was still the strongest regardless of his illness but when they realize that it means Old WB>Shanks, Kaidou & BM, that means Akainu would have an even better performance, further implying that he is obviously on their level, they sudden say that Old WB was the weakest.....swapping sides when it better suits their argument...

Old WB was still the strongest overall but he ain't beating any top tier because of his heart attacks. Akainu could've killed him after one heart attack.

Again, people are still misinterpreting what Oda said about Akainu and the story of One Piece.. smh

No misinterpretation. Oda was talking how it isn't good for the protagonist to be too strong in shonens like One Piece. He used Akainu as an example, saying that he was so strong that if he was the protagonist, OP would end in a year. Whether he meant a year OP time or in real life is unknown but its obvious that OP ends when someone becomes PK & the final war is over & done with.

You can't become PK without tussling with the yonkous. Since he is so strong that he end OP so quickly, that means he can easily tussle with the yonkous, making him yonko tier(for those who think yonko are a level above admirals, its irrefutable).

"Shut the **** up you idiot"

"You're rambling you retard"

"No, you're the retard, your argument doesn't work" *offers no reasoning to explain the flaws in argument*

"You're such an idiot."

Debating 101



Anyone else wanna talk about how Variah just said Akainu's feat is invalid because it was a blind-side attack, and then immediately segwayed into saying WB beat the shit out of Akainu through a blind-side attack is a valid feat?

Damn.......crushed his own argument & proved his stupidity & no one had to do a thing.....

 

[Bogard]

Not sure between Big Mom and Akainu. Could go either way for now

I wonder if people can make up their minds. They say Old WB was still the strongest regardless of his illness but when they realize that it means Old WB>Shanks, Kaidou & BM, that means Akainu would have an even better performance, further implying that he is obviously on their level, they sudden say that Old WB was the weakest.....swapping sides when it better suits their argument...

Old WB was still the strongest overall but he ain't beating any top tier because of his heart attacks. Akainu could've killed him after one heart attack.

Yes Whitebeard was still stronger than Akainu in marineford. He had that title in marineford and his last opponent was Akainu(and Teach), so if Akainu was stronger than Whitebeard like this forum wants to believe, the world would have declared Akainu as the strongest after marineford, but they instead declared Kaido as stronger, someone who never fought Marineford Whitebeard. That means the world didn't even consider Akainu as the stronger one in marineford despite his feats. The only reason Akainu even shined was because of Whitebeard's heart attack. Overall Whitebeard was still the stronger one

 

[Punk Hazard]

Whitebeard still wins. He was the world strongest man for a reason
Yes Whitebeard was still stronger than Akainu in marineford. He had that title in marineford and his last opponent was Akainu(and Teach), so if Akainu was stronger than Whitebeard like this forum wants to believe, the world would have declared Akainu as the strongest after marineford, but they instead declared Kaido as stronger, someone who never fought Marineford Whitebeard. That means the world didn't even consider Akainu as the stronger one in marineford despite his feats

There's a lot wrong with this post. For one, the reason the world still bought into WB being the WSM is because they had no idea that WB was actually ill and weakened until Marineford. He constantly refused to wear his medicinal tubes, with the only public appearance of them being when he met up with Shanks. That's why everyone was surprised when Squard stabbed him, and what prompted Crocodile to yell "The man who defeated me wasn't this pathetic." It's also what prompted WB to renounce his title, stating that he was just a man who got weaker in his old age. WB was literally carrying the title by hype and because the world, up until Marineford, didn't know he was too ill to carry the title of WSM.

It's also fallicious to say that the world would label Akainu WSM because he was stronger/more capable than Whitebeard at Marineford. Aokiji and Kizaru were both able to compete with Whitebeard just as well as Akainu, he wasn't the sole person to show superiority. There's also the fact that all of the other Emperors would be able to replicate what Akainu did to some degree or another, so that's three other people who could do exactly what Akainu did at Marineford. So that's a toss up of seven people who are in the ballpark of WB at his prime, and even more so with his weakened status.

It's also highly illogical to say that because Kaido was declared the strongest man, Akainu isn't regarded as stronger than Marineford Whitebeard. Considering that we didn't get any revelation that Kaido was the strongest until years after Marineford, how do you know that was never actually said about Akainu at any point, that he was stronger than Whitebeard at Marineford? Why would Oda need to write a character saying that when we can see it for ourselves to be true with their fight at Marineford, and WB's renouncement of his status as the WSM and some unstoppable force multiple times during the war?

There is also no correlation between "Kaido is the strongest" and "that means Akainu isn't stronger than Whitebeard." You're missing an important link in that argument to connect those two dots. You sound like someone saying "Marcus is the fastest track runner, which proves that Jack isn't faster than David." There is no line of logic between those two statements you just made. Akainu could be regarded as stronger than MF Whitebeard, just like the other two Admirals and remaining Emperors, while also being weaker than Kaido.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

By this logic, the Yeti Cool Brothers won against Zoro and Sanji by sneak-shotting them.

Sneak attacks don't count as a straight fight. A straight fight is Akainu vs Whitebeard Round 1, which WB handily lost.

You're wrong. There was no sneak attacking. White beard won in his weakest state

 

[Punk Hazard]

You're wrong. There was no sneak attacking. White beard won in his weakest state

Springing up on Akainu while his back was turned and focused on someone else was sneak attacking.