[VS] Big mom vs akainu

[Sakazuki]

What about Blackbeard? His magma is practically useless against the Dark-Dark Fruit and we all saw what happened last time Akainu tried to step up to the Tremor-Tremor Fruit. Yonko Blackbeard would destroy him.
Also if Akainu was so strong why didn't he atleast attempt to pull up on Shanks at Marineford, instead he backed down like a scared pup.
The only Yonko I think Akainu has a chance against is Big Mom.

He couldn't fight akainu due to political reasons, regardless of if akainu did or did not win, his crew wouldn't have won. Garp, sengoku, and the other admirals would've held it down. But back to political reasons, after whitebeard died the world went in turmoil, imagine two? The wg wants to keep the power balanced.

And yonko bb already admitted him and his entire crew couldn't defeat akainu. Akainu wouldn't chase after someone he's gonna loose too. Akainu stalemate whitebeards gura punch, which oda has ready said was still as strong as his prime (unfortunately he had heart attacks though leaving him open) or he wouldve won indefinitely. But bbs gura most likely won't match wbs and bb hasnt shown to be able to fight as long as akainu. No where's near. And he isn't gonna be able to ko him if wb couldnt. And come on? Dark fruit? Do you know how big an island is In one piece? OK and look what akainu turned half of one into, hah

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

That's not really the point it's a proof of concept. It matters that she CAN do it. She probably can make some kind of lava fist out of it. If she has a soul in the magma she can absorb incoming magma like Zeus did with the lightning. So Akainu would be at a disadvantage at that point compared to most other fighters.

And some of the things in this thread are just speculation like Akainu re-using his magma he already shot out of his body. There is no precedent of a logia just using the element because it's around him, that might be possible with awakening but so far we've only seen logia having control over their bodies. Controlling objects/elements outside of the body is more paramecia related.

Again, ace put sanji's cigarette on fire. Isnt that proof enough?

 

[Love Cook]

Again, ace put sanji's cigarette on fire. Isnt that proof enough?

No, that honestly sounds like some kind of comical anime only moment. If you can provide a panel it would hold more weight.

And even if he did that, a burning cigarette, an out of combat thing in a 20 year running series is more likely to be labeled as an incident than a precedent.

Where are the panels of Akainu spawning pillers of magma out of pools of lava, or aokiji taking control over ice sculptures, Crocodile making a tsunami of sand.

There is nothing like that. And here we're discussing lighting a cigarette 12 years ago.

 

[MickNerks]

Big Mom beats Akainu with High Diff.

She has counters for everything in his Arsenal.

She can control every element by imbuing her soul into:

• Fire (Prometheus)
• Clouds and Storms (Zeus)
• Magma
• Earth
• Water (None Seawater)
• Nature

His magma would be nullified by Magma and Earth that would be protecting her during the fight. Common sense tells us that Akainu does NOT have an edge in Haki. While he only has 2 types she has all 3. And given that her son has next level Armanment Haki, its safe to conclude she also has advanced armanment give that she was able to block luffy's kong gun with a simple forarm block and not lose any ground.

She has an aerial advantage over Akainu
Superior Strength and Defence (without haki enhancements).

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(Not just fear).

I dont know how anyone can believe that Akainu can take Big Mom. From what we have seen thus far she would be a bigger problem for akainu than Whitebeard and we all know whitebeard was an extremely high diff battle for him.

 

[Sakazuki]

Big Mom beats Akainu with High Diff.

She has counters for everything in his Arsenal.

She can control every element by imbuing her soul into:

• Fire (Prometheus)
• Clouds and Storms (Zeus)
• Magma
• Earth
• Water (None Seawater)
• Nature

His magma would be nullified by Magma and Earth that would be protecting her during the fight. Common sense tells us that Akainu does NOT have an edge in Haki. While he only has 2 types she has all 3. And given that her son has next level Armanment Haki, its safe to conclude she also has advanced armanment give that she was able to block luffy's kong gun with a simple forarm block and not lose any ground.

She has an aerial advantage over Akainu
Superior Strength and Defence (without haki enhancements).

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(Not just fear).

I dont know how anyone can believe that Akainu can take Big Mom. From what we have seen thus far she would be a bigger problem for akainu than Whitebeard and we all know whitebeard was an extremely high diff battle for him.

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[TheNuetrix]

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Akainu does have a lot of impressive feats, but he's not unbeatable. We haven't seen the full power of a Yonko or Akainu.
Also, we all know that either Sabo, Dragon or Luffy will beat up Akainu before the end of the series. It's inevitable.


Never mind, look at my signature, Akainu is indestructible. #greatestdurabilityfeatofalltime

 

[Vandenre1ch]

If Crocodile can boast about being "unbeatable" in the desert and can use the terrain to his advantage, Akainu can use leftover magma to his advantage. Punk Hazard speaks wonders. Since its a battle of top tiers, the quick logical answer is extreme diff either way. Since Akainu has better portrayal however(SBS and story), the edge goes to Akainu.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

If Crocodile can boast about being "unbeatable" in the desert and can use the terrain to his advantage, Akainu can use leftover magma to his advantage. Punk Hazard speaks wonders. Since its a battle of top tiers, the quick logical answer is extreme diff either way. Since Akainu has better portrayal however(SBS and story), the edge goes to Akainu.

Considering the fact that you don't believe that boast Crocodile made, you should not use that as an excuse for Akainu and his terrain crap. So you can stfu with that shit.

 

[Sakazuki]

Lmfao crying

 

[SixPathsMike101]

I don't see any yonko stepping to akainu and surviving, besides kaido, and all he would do is survive, not win. He's too much of a Savage on the battlefield. The dog is ruthless.

Right now I don't see any reason Red Hair Shanks wouldn't He's shown strength, and powerful Conquerors Haki. We still haven't seen the rest of his feats, but all we can speculate on is that Akainu didn't step to Red Hair When Challenged. Red Hair stepped to Kaido when he was trying to ambush whitebeared.

 

[arv993]

If Crocodile can boast about being "unbeatable" in the desert and can use the terrain to his advantage, Akainu can use leftover magma to his advantage. Punk Hazard speaks wonders. Since its a battle of top tiers, the quick logical answer is extreme diff either way. Since Akainu has better portrayal however(SBS and story), the edge goes to Akainu.

Lol more hype than BM. The lady has never been injured, her durability is insane and her firepower is impressive. Akainu is the most hyped marine as of now but was never given otherworldly hype like big mam, prime Garp, kaido, prime Wb etc.

 

[LBeezy]

Doesn't even matter IF Akainu can use magma that he randomly left on the floor 5 minutes ago.. the point is that Big Mom can also do the same thing to that type of magma with her DF power.. so Love Cook is making a lot of sense when it comes to this match up.. if BM can can have a homie made of magma Akainu is going to have an even more difficult time trying to hit her let alone hurt her..

Imagine BM having Prometheus while fighting Sabo... think about that for a second..

 

[ToshiZO]

Are people arguing BM controlling Magma will help her here lmfao? What in the world will using Magma do against an opponent made of Magma himself?

If anything that homie will end up helping Akainu lmao.

Anyways, Akainu has more hype and relevance to the plot of One Piece, that's the best way to judge how a battle between top tiers would turn out, but in this case Akainu also has the best feats out of alive characters.

Portrayal - Akainu. Teach who is a Yonkou rn, ran from him only a year before becoming Yonkou when he had his entire crew with him. Big Mom has nothing special in this department, she's no Kaidou (who got separated from every top tier), doesn't have the relevance Teach (EOS enemy) nor Shanks (Luffy's idol) does.

Hype - Scarred Luffy (Mihawk scarred Zoro), killed Ace (Teach captured Ace), shaping up to be one of the final enemies.

Feats - MF speaks for itself, he was steamrolling through WB's entire crew, another Yonkou needed to step in just to stop him, and this was after WB took his best cheapshots at him. Only current top tier who has beaten another top tier as well (Kuzan). Compare this to whatever we're getting with BM here.

Big Mom will find it hard to even last long in battle without eating, these battles can take multiple days.
To make matters worse, her durability is a major part of what makes her strong, and now that is dealt with because she is facing the most lethal character in the manga, her skin ain't saving her from a magma fist.

All things considered it's not going above high diff in favour of Akainu. High diff only out of respect that she is a Yonkou, not because she has actually shown she requires high diff from Akainu. Light work.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Big Mom beats Akainu with High Diff.

She has counters for everything in his Arsenal.

She can control every element by imbuing her soul into:

• Fire (Prometheus)
• Clouds and Storms (Zeus)
• Magma
• Earth
• Water (None Seawater)
• Nature

His magma would be nullified by Magma and Earth that would be protecting her during the fight. Common sense tells us that Akainu does NOT have an edge in Haki. While he only has 2 types she has all 3. And given that her son has next level Armanment Haki, its safe to conclude she also has advanced armanment give that she was able to block luffy's kong gun with a simple forarm block and not lose any ground.

She has an aerial advantage over Akainu
Superior Strength and Defence (without haki enhancements).

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(Not just fear).

I dont know how anyone can believe that Akainu can take Big Mom. From what we have seen thus far she would be a bigger problem for akainu than Whitebeard and we all know whitebeard was an extremely high diff battle for him.

Are you sure the magma leftovers she possesses with her soul has the same defense and offense of akainu's body connected magma?

 

[Love Cook]

Are you sure the magma leftovers she possesses with her soul has the same defense and offense of akainu's body connected magma?

Does it matter ? It's not her main weapon of attack it just shows how versatile she can be and adapt to the situation. Her chasing the Strawhats has proven that.

If a homie in a fire can grow out to become huge all burning sun that can only be harmed by spirit attack (Brook), and if Zeus can be fed and grow by consuming his own element. I'm pretty sure Akainu would have a bad time if there is a Magma homie on the field. Besides it's a passive it can move on it's own or she can actively use it's power.

You can't destroy the magma homie with more magma, Zeus has shown that. And Akainu hasn't shown any attacks that can harm the soul of the homie like Brook has.

So maybe Akainu's strength with the magma attacks is higher since he is a more proficient user of the magma abilities. But that magma homie can just be extra and provide back-up as a shield or something that clears the terrain from magma. Big Mom still has her original arsenal.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Does it matter ? It's not her main weapon of attack it just shows how versatile she can be and adapt to the situation. Her chasing the Strawhats has proven that.

If a homie in a fire can grow out to become huge all burning sun that can only be harmed by spirit attack (Brook), and if Zeus can be fed and grow by consuming his own element. I'm pretty sure Akainu would have a bad time if there is a Magma homie on the field. Besides it's a passive it can move on it's own or she can actively use it's power.

You can't destroy the magma homie with more magma, Zeus has shown that. And Akainu hasn't shown any attacks that can harm the soul of the homie like Brook has.

So maybe Akainu's strength with the magma attacks is higher since he is a more proficient user of the magma abilities. But that magma homie can just be extra and provide back-up as a shield or something that clears the terrain from magma. Big Mom still has her original arsenal.

Okay conceded. Though i still think big mom would've a pretty hard time against akainu, someone like blackbeard who can absorb all DF's power was scared with his whole crew, so i think akainu's haki must be strong enough to resist BB gravity absorption. Iam not sure but its a possibility. I'd give a high diff win to big mom considering all factors.

 

[Skull Knight]

Except they did make attempts to stop Blackbeard. Akainu going when he wanted to trade in Bonney, for example. To say the Marines don't care about chaos that affects citizens in the OP world shows an incredible lack of attention to the story, since they're all about justice for the people.

What are u talking about???
We saw chaos that followed after WB's death. All his islands were taken over by pirates or goons. And marines didnt gave any protection. They never stopped Brownbeard or any other guys. Rather they thought Marco would have stopped BB. Just because one time Akainu went there(lets not forget Bonney seems to be important) doesnt mean they did a lot.

What the hell would one person wanting to abolish the Shichibukai have to do with the power vacuums that would happen if the Yonko fell.

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It is pretty evident that Shichibukai system is going to be abolish soon.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Doesn't even matter IF Akainu can use magma that he randomly left on the floor 5 minutes ago.. the point is that Big Mom can also do the same thing to that type of magma with her DF power.. so Love Cook is making a lot of sense when it comes to this match up.. if BM can can have a homie made of magma Akainu is going to have an even more difficult time trying to hit her let alone hurt her..

Imagine BM having Prometheus while fighting Sabo... think about that for a second..

I gotta agree with Tosh on this one, what good would it actually do? Akainu can run right through it and attack her directly, it can't hurt him so aside from maybe absorbing lava he throws into it what does it serve? And prometheus would be useless in a fuight against Sabo or a logia until it's shown haki can be added to his lightning strikes.

 

[arv993]

Are people arguing BM controlling Magma will help her here lmfao? What in the world will using Magma do against an opponent made of Magma himself?

If anything that homie will end up helping Akainu lmao.

Anyways, Akainu has more hype and relevance to the plot of One Piece, that's the best way to judge how a battle between top tiers would turn out, but in this case Akainu also has the best feats out of alive characters.

Portrayal - Akainu. Teach who is a Yonkou rn, ran from him only a year before becoming Yonkou when he had his entire crew with him. Big Mom has nothing special in this department, she's no Kaidou (who got separated from every top tier), doesn't have the relevance Teach (EOS enemy) nor Shanks (Luffy's idol) does.

Hype - Scarred Luffy (Mihawk scarred Zoro), killed Ace (Teach captured Ace), shaping up to be one of the final enemies.

Feats - MF speaks for itself, he was steamrolling through WB's entire crew, another Yonkou needed to step in just to stop him, and this was after WB took his best cheapshots at him. Only current top tier who has beaten another top tier as well (Kuzan). Compare this to whatever we're getting with BM here.

Big Mom will find it hard to even last long in battle without eating, these battles can take multiple days.
To make matters worse, her durability is a major part of what makes her strong, and now that is dealt with because she is facing the most lethal character in the manga, her skin ain't saving her from a magma fist.

All things considered it's not going above high diff in favour of Akainu. High diff only out of respect that she is a Yonkou, not because she has actually shown she requires high diff from Akainu. Light work.

I mean I guess the Cp0 is better than teach's crew also. Since he ran from them too and this is after he's a full fledged yonko. Dude stop your logic is toxic when it comes to BM. bB pre yonko running is not some amazing hype.

Akainu is not a guaranteed eos opponent for luffy, it could very well be sabo. Going by scars now lol. And you know Kaido is likely to be dealt with b4 akainu so is akainu > Kaido.

An old Wb who was sick was taking it from akainu and and others and still made the akainu work for it. BM or any respectable yonko would handle a WB in that state better, right there we have some evidence as to why akainu might be slightly inferior.

At the end of the day it's an extreme diff fight. Her durability is much superior to WB and she has haki and firepower to harm akainu.

 

[Love Cook]

Okay conceded. Though i still think big mom would've a pretty hard time against akainu, someone like blackbeard who can absorb all DF's power was scared with his whole crew, so i think akainu's haki must be strong enough to resist BB gravity absorption. Iam not sure but its a possibility. I'd give a high diff win to big mom considering all factors.

Yeah I agree with that. I think we're reaching that point in the story where the top dogs will come out and play. And one way or another that will never be a clean fight. A fight against Akainu will always hurt no matter who he is fighting.