Big mama surprise xD

[alipjana]

That's not the case this time. Preskip Luffy would have done this because of his reckless nature but timeskip Luffy has matured. He might still look like an idiot but he did mature like Goku or Naruto.

He challanged her because there was no other choice. I think he's fully aware of the opponents he's going up against but unlike two years ago - this time he's prepared. A Yonko and her crew is a perfect opponent to show the fruits of their two year training. We will get to see full chapters of solo fights and everyone in the team going all out. Luffy might not be strong enough to take out Big Mam alone but no one excluded the chance of some old ally joining in. After all, there's plenty of pirates who would like take her place. Kidd, Law, Crocodile, Buggy all cross my mind. Each of them could end up fighting Big Mam along with Luffy.

Personaly, I don't think there will be another, 100+ chapter long, Baroque Works saga arc. It would be too repetive and unnoriginal from Oda. Big Mam is strong but not invincible. There's plenty of ways how Straw Hats could take her out and not look to OP. To be honest, so far Luffy defeated all of the major opponents with the help of some huge advantage why would this be different?

i absolutely agree...but still she s a younko..and yes we can depend upon oda 2 bring another epic saga which will b diff 4m previous 1s....at l8st i hope so...fingers crossed...xd

 

[windrider]

Luffy did not challenge BM becouse of he knew that he could defeat her, but rather Luffy speaks without thinking:shrug:
Like Boa's said, there will be several acrs before Luffy takes down BM. 'till Luffy and his nakamas gains some experince and abilities to defeat one of the younkous. This Oda's style and honestly I like that becouse there is no shortcut.
And also, right now Luffy even can not defeat Smoker.

Are you seriously saying this ? Luffy has so much confidence in him now .
I was laughing when you said luffy can't even defeat smoker.Keep posting jokes like that and every one's stress will be relieved SISTER .

Luffy never thinks what he is saying but that doesn't mean he is always dumb . He challenged big mom to see the difference in their strength .I would say that the straw hats vigorous training for 2 years is not gonna be fruitful if their strengths are not close enough to a yonku . As I said ,if you reread the manga ,you will find that they were all warming up.They didn't have to fight seriously at all.None of them except luffy had even a scratch on them .

This is why I am saying that luffy is challenging big mom cause he will know where they stand .Last but not least luffy will be able to face smoker and even defeat him at his current level.Now let us have small recap ,smoker always had an advantage over luffy because of his smoke smoke fruit for past 652 chapters .I don't think ODA will do injustice to luffy again .Smoker is a vice admiral and he must be able to use haki now but is his haki > luffy's haki ? ,I don't think so.

 

[alipjana]

Are you seriously saying this ? Luffy has so much confidence in him now .
I was laughing when you said luffy can't even defeat smoker.Keep posting jokes like that and every one's stress will be relieved SISTER .

Luffy never thinks what he is saying but that doesn't mean he is always dumb . He challenged big mom to see the difference in their strength .I would say that the straw hats vigorous training for 2 years is not gonna be fruitful if their strengths are not close enough to a yonku . As I said ,if you reread the manga ,you will find that they were all warming up.They didn't have to fight seriously at all.None of them except luffy had even a scratch on them .

This is why I am saying that luffy is challenging big mom cause he will know where they stand .Last but not least luffy will be face smoker and even defeat him.Now let us have small recap ,smoker always had an advantage over luffy because of his smoke smoke fruit for past 652 chapters .I don't think ODA will do injustice to luffy again .Smoker is a vice admiral and he must be able to use haki now but is his haki > luffy's haki ? ,I don't think so.

lol...i agree with u upon the smoker part..

 

[windrider]

That's not the case this time. Preskip Luffy would have done this because of his reckless nature but timeskip Luffy has matured. He might still look like an idiot but he did mature like Goku or Naruto.

He challanged her because there was no other choice. I think he's fully aware of the opponents he's going up against but unlike two years ago - this time he's prepared. A Yonko and her crew is a perfect opponent to show the fruits of their two year training. We will get to see full chapters of solo fights and everyone in the team going all out. Luffy might not be strong enough to take out Big Mam alone but no one excluded the chance of some old ally joining in. After all, there's plenty of pirates who would like take her place. Kidd, Law, Crocodile, Buggy all cross my mind. Each of them could end up fighting Big Mam along with Luffy.

Personaly, I don't think there will be another, 100+ chapter long, Baroque Works saga arc. It would be too repetive and unnoriginal from Oda. Big Mam is strong but not invincible. There's plenty of ways how Straw Hats could take her out and not look to OP. To be honest, so far Luffy defeated all of the major opponents with the help of some huge advantage why would this be different? The fights aren't so interesting/epic when Luffy is put up against equal opponent. They are too boring if he's put up against someone weaker than him. The best fights are when he's fighting someone way stronger than him and we are fine even if he has to use some plot-advantage to win.

This is what I am saying too that luffy is challenging big mom cause he will know where they stand and ya it will not be 100+ chapters .It will be more like the gego moria arc .

 

[Boa Hancock]

I don't want several arcs like the one in alabasta .I do not minds mini arcs .The story is getting heated up just now .I wish ODA directly gets into BB arc .The mig mom arc will definitely run for another year or 2 with out a doubt .I wonder when ODA is gonna show us BB Arc or dragon Arc and WG arc

If One Piece immediately went into those kinds of arcs right away I'd drop One Piece. Look at what happened to Naruto, Bleach, Reborn, Fairy Tail. They delved into epic arcs too early, and after the initial high everyone lost interest in it.

I hope you'd take a Literature class in the future and learn how a story is made, since what you're saying is a misconception that must be fixed.

That's not the case this time. Preskip Luffy would have done this because of his reckless nature but timeskip Luffy has matured. He might still look like an idiot but he did mature like Goku or Naruto.

Nah, I don't think Naruto has matured.

Personaly, I don't think there will be another, 100+ chapter long, Baroque Works saga arc. It would be too repetive and unnoriginal from Oda. Big Mam is strong but not invincible. There's plenty of ways how Straw Hats could take her out and not look to OP. To be honest, so far Luffy defeated all of the major opponents with the help of some huge advantage why would this be different? The fights aren't so interesting/epic when Luffy is put up against equal opponent. They are too boring if he's put up against someone weaker than him. The best fights are when he's fighting someone way stronger than him and we are fine even if he has to use some plot-advantage to win.

Mmm, I have some issues with this.

1. The 100 chapter transition arcs from Oda may be repetitive and unoriginal, but so far it's worked for 13+ years and counting. No need to change something that works like they say.

2. The most interesting fight Luffy had was against Lucci. Lucci was the first person who could keep up with Luffy physically and not rely on weird powers. They were equal in a sense, and if Lucci had the sense to use Kami-e instead of tanking the Jet Gatling, Robin would be captured by now. So I say Luffy's most interesting opponents are the ones who match him blow by blow.

3. I don't want plot advantages anymore. Well I know there will be some, but not something blatant like Dragonforce or Son Goku and Kurama. I've had enough of those to last me this year.

 

[windrider]

If One Piece immediately went into those kinds of arcs right away I'd drop One Piece. Look at what happened to Naruto, Bleach, Reborn, Fairy Tail. They delved into epic arcs too early, and after the initial high everyone lost interest in it.
2. The most interesting fight Luffy had was against Lucci. Lucci was the first person who could keep up with Luffy physically and not rely on weird powers. They were equal in a sense, and if Lucci had the sense to use Kami-e instead of tanking the Jet Gatling, Robin would be captured by now. So I say Luffy's most interesting opponents are the ones who match him blow by blow.
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I agree with the first and second part luffy vs lucci was the epic fight so far that i loved .

I hope you'd take a Literature class in the future and learn how a story is made, since what you're saying is a misconception that must be fixed.

The reason I told that because what if The world ends before ODA completes one piece .It is 2012 you know .

 

[AT sama]

This is what I am saying too that luffy is challenging big mom cause he will know where they stand and ya it will not be 100+ chapters .It will be more like the gego moria arc .

I've never said that next arcs will be like Baroque Works saga arc. I said that thre will be more than one arc before ST's vs. BM and by the way ST's will gain some experiences in some manner.

You maybe right about Smoker, this isn't right time to speak about this, also we do not know how Smoker is strong now.

BM one of the four younkous like Shanks. I think Luffy can't stand against them, at least, not now.
Beside we do not know anything about BM's power. I imagine, she is strong bocuose she is a yonkou like Shanks. Thats why I'm saying Luffy can't take out BM

And like you said, Luffy did mature I didn't think that way. This fact should some effects on Luffy's acts (I hppe).

(windrider, I read manga, just relax, we are not Oda and we do not know wht will happen. Like you, we are all saying some possbilities.)

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

1. The 100 chapter transition arcs from Oda may be repetitive and unoriginal, but so far it's worked for 13+ years and counting. No need to change something that works like they say.

I am talking exactly about Baroque Works arc, not W7-EL or something else. Yes, BW arc worked perfectly once but do we need to have the same thing again?

If we get an another BW type arc where they travel from and island to island till they finaly meet up with Big Mam that would be too unoriginal from Oda. And I don't see anyone from Big Mam's crew besides herself and her 1st mate that could give Straw Hats a challange so they would have to fight more weaklings on their way. We had FI already, we don't need more Hody's. We want to see worthy opponents that would atleast kill Zoro's boredom (and mine).

2. The most interesting fight Luffy had was against Lucci. Lucci was the first person who could keep up with Luffy physically and not rely on weird powers. They were equal in a sense, and if Lucci had the sense to use Kami-e instead of tanking the Jet Gatling, Robin would be captured by now. So I say Luffy's most interesting opponents are the ones who match him blow by blow.

I agree, Lucci vs Luffy was the best fight in series but Luffy won't get an opponent like that in a long time since everyone is either stronger or weaker than him. Kidd, Law and Blackbeard should be a similiar challange to him when those fights do happen but we won't see an equal fight from Big Mam whether it happens now or after 200 chapters.

I was thinking of Arlong as an equal to East Blue Luffy. Anyway, I messed up with that statement, scratch it out.

3. I don't want plot advantages anymore. Well I know there will be some, but not something blatant like Dragonforce or Son Goku and Kurama. I've had enough of those to last me this year.

*cough* Franky and Wapol metal *cough* xD

Spoiler

The biggest issue everyone has with Luffy beating Big Mam so soon is that it will make Luffy too OP and other opponents would seem like a walk in a park. Like there is nothing to go from that point since he already beated a supposedly top 4 pirate in the world and everyone else should be too weak for him. Which is wrong.

If he beats her after 150-200 chapters what will change? He should still be OP and other opponents should seem like walk in a park for him. What's the difference between beating her now or after 200 chapters? Kaidou, Blackbeard, Akainu, Kizaru should still be alive and in standing Luffy's way. There's Vegapunk and his creations. Doflamingo and his New Era, Gorosei and their secrets. Smoker, Tashigi, Coby and Helmeppo.

OP will not end if Luffy beats her right now. He's already at a point where NW captains that WB brought along with him should be weaker than him. Whether or not Luffy beats Big Mam they shouldn't be a concern for Straw Hats, so what are people so worried about? That Straw Hats are going to be too strong and eveyone else I mentioned before (admirals, yonkos, dofla ,gorosei, vegapunk) aren't going to be a challange for him?

tl;dr : If he beats her now or 200 chapters later, his other opponents which he has yet to meet won't become weaker than him.

Hope you got my point, I think I didn't explain it very well :/

 

[s0ulja]

I disagree with this .None of the straw hats were fighting at the true potential . Zoro just showed us one move and sanji 2 moves ,Nami also showed us only 2 moves .They still have a lot more moves up their sleeves .If they are not ready for taking on an Yonku ,luffy would not have challenged her in the first place. Luffy challenged her to test himself and his crew if they are on a yonku level after the 2 years training and also to save the fisher man island

i've already said they were just warming up. and no they wont take out a emperor just by themselves esp just past the half way mark. SH's are always the underdogs and if they defeat an emperor now that means they are d 4th strongest crew in the world and only 2 other crew can defeat them(shanks would never go in war against luffy). and no he did not challenge her to test himself, he doesn't even kno who she is...he did it on instinct to save FI, he realised if he didn't divert her attention from FI they would be in danger again.

That's not the case this time. Preskip Luffy would have done this because of his reckless nature but timeskip Luffy has matured. He might still look like an idiot but he did mature like Goku or Naruto.

He challanged her because there was no other choice. I think he's fully aware of the opponents he's going up against but unlike two years ago - this time he's prepared. A Yonko and her crew is a perfect opponent to show the fruits of their two year training. We will get to see full chapters of solo fights and everyone in the team going all out. Luffy might not be strong enough to take out Big Mam alone but no one excluded the chance of some old ally joining in. After all, there's plenty of pirates who would like take her place. Kidd, Law, Crocodile, Buggy all cross my mind. Each of them could end up fighting Big Mam along with Luffy.

Personaly, I don't think there will be another, 100+ chapter long, Baroque Works type arc. It would be too repetive and unnoriginal from Oda. Big Mam is strong but not invincible. There's plenty of ways how Straw Hats could take her out and not look too OP. To be honest, so far Luffy defeated all of the major opponents with the help of some huge advantage why would this be different? The fights aren't so interesting/epic when Luffy is put up against equal opponent. They are too boring if he's put up against someone weaker than him. The best fights are when he's fighting someone way stronger than him and we are fine even if he has to use some plot-advantage to win.

agreed

Are you seriously saying this ? Luffy has so much confidence in him now .
I was laughing when you said luffy can't even defeat smoker.Keep posting jokes like that and every one's stress will be relieved SISTER .

Luffy never thinks what he is saying but that doesn't mean he is always dumb . He challenged big mom to see the difference in their strength .I would say that the straw hats vigorous training for 2 years is not gonna be fruitful if their strengths are not close enough to a yonku . As I said ,if you reread the manga ,you will find that they were all warming up.They didn't have to fight seriously at all.None of them except luffy had even a scratch on them .

This is why I am saying that luffy is challenging big mom cause he will know where they stand .Last but not least luffy will be able to face smoker and even defeat him at his current level.Now let us have small recap ,smoker always had an advantage over luffy because of his smoke smoke fruit for past 652 chapters .I don't think ODA will do injustice to luffy again .Smoker is a vice admiral and he must be able to use haki now but is his haki > luffy's haki ? ,I don't think so.

i agree his stronger than smoker now but as for the rest read above

 

[AT sama]

If One Piece immediately went into those kinds of arcs right away I'd drop One Piece. Look at what happened to Naruto, Bleach, Reborn, Fairy Tail. They delved into epic arcs too early, and after the initial high everyone lost interest in it.

I hope you'd take a Literature class in the future and learn how a story is made, since what you're saying is a misconception that must be fixed.



Nah, I don't think Naruto has matured.



Mmm, I have some issues with this.

1. The 100 chapter transition arcs from Oda may be repetitive and unoriginal, but so far it's worked for 13+ years and counting. No need to change something that works like they say.

2. The most interesting fight Luffy had was against Lucci. Lucci was the first person who could keep up with Luffy physically and not rely on weird powers. They were equal in a sense, and if Lucci had the sense to use Kami-e instead of tanking the Jet Gatling, Robin would be captured by now. So I say Luffy's most interesting opponents are the ones who match him blow by blow.

3. I don't want plot advantages anymore. Well I know there will be some, but not something blatant like Dragonforce or Son Goku and Kurama. I've had enough of those to last me this year.

Im completely agree with that.
If luffy did mature like naruto, I will drop out it too. But Luffy is not naruto, he is not hero, but a pirate who is acting free.

 

[uzben]

It wouldnt be a yonkou if luffy took her down in one punch would it?

 

[windrider]

I am talking exactly about Baroque Works arc, not W7-EL or something else. Yes, BW arc worked perfectly once but do we need to have the same thing again?

If we get an another BW type arc where they travel from and island to island till they finaly meet up with Big Mam that would be too unoriginal from Oda. And I don't see anyone from Big Mam's crew besides herself and her 1st mate that could give Straw Hats a challange so they would have to fight more weaklings on their way. We had FI already, we don't need more Hody's. We want to see worthy opponents that would atleast kill Zoro's boredom (and mine).


I agree, Lucci vs Luffy was the best fight in series but Luffy won't get an opponent like that in a long time since everyone is either stronger or weaker than him. Kidd, Law and Blackbeard should be a similiar challange to him when those fights do happen but we won't see an equal fight from Big Mam whether it happens now or after 200 chapters.

I was thinking of Arlong as an equal to East Blue Luffy. Anyway, I messed up with that statement, scratch it out.



*cough* Franky and Wapol metal *cough* xD

Spoiler

The biggest issue everyone has with Luffy beating Big Mam so soon is that it will make Luffy too OP and other opponents would seem like a walk in a park. Like there is nothing to go from that point since he already beated a supposedly top 4 pirate in the world and everyone else should be too weak for him. Which is wrong.

If he beats her after 150-200 chapters what will change? He should still be OP and other opponents should seem like walk in a park for him. What's the difference between beating her now or after 200 chapters? Kaidou, Blackbeard, Akainu, Kizaru should still be alive and in standing Luffy's way. There's Vegapunk and his creations. Doflamingo and his New Era, Gorosei and their secrets. Smoker, Tashigi, Coby and Helmeppo.

OP will not end if Luffy beats her right now. He's already at a point where NW captains that WB brought along with him should be weaker than him. Whether or not Luffy beats Big Mam they shouldn't be a concern for Straw Hats, so what are people so worried about? That Straw Hats are going to be too strong and eveyone else I mentioned before (admirals, yonkos, dofla ,gorosei, vegapunk) aren't going to be a challange for him?

tl;dr : If he beats her now or 200 chapters later, his other opponents which he has yet to meet won't become weaker than him.

Hope you got my point, I think I didn't explain it very well :/

This lady and I must have born under the same star.She is exactly speaking my mind .There is still the pending BB arc ,Dragon vs WG arc .Both these arcs are major arcs of the story and will take atleast 250 to 350 chapters which is like 7 whole years .This is what made think BM arc is not going to be a long one but rather the one like gego moria arc ,BM arc may have some mini arc about Kid and may be few supernovas meeting luffy on the way.
further more only if luffy faces BM ,he would be able to face BB.Over all I BM arc may go 1.5 years to 2 max around 75 chapters to 100 chapters but it will not have too many sub arcs like ALABASTA. To me if luffy defeats either BM or kaido is irrelevant ,BigMom simply acts as stepping stone for luffy ,so that he can face BB later

 

[Black-Star]

Maybe they will even stop the guys who took the tresure? Or maybe they will open the tresure to check if there is tresure or not?

 

[Boa Hancock]

I am talking exactly about Baroque Works arc, not W7-EL or something else. Yes, BW arc worked perfectly once but do we need to have the same thing again?

If we get an another BW type arc where they travel from and island to island till they finaly meet up with Big Mam that would be too unoriginal from Oda. And I don't see anyone from Big Mam's crew besides herself and her 1st mate that could give Straw Hats a challange so they would have to fight more weaklings on their way. We had FI already, we don't need more Hody's. We want to see worthy opponents that would atleast kill Zoro's boredom (and mine).

The kids reading the manga wouldn't see anything wrong.

I know where you're coming from. Traveling from island to island in search of Big Mom's Cake Island sounds like a good idea. Besides, a Yonkou's crew is nothing to sneeze at. I don't believe the members below First Mate don't offer any challenge. I mean, sure the SH will win no doubt, but to assume the fights will be like Fishman Island is misconstrued.

The biggest issue everyone has with Luffy beating Big Mam so soon is that it will make Luffy too OP and other opponents would seem like a walk in a park. Like there is nothing to go from that point since he already beated a supposedly top 4 pirate in the world and everyone else should be too weak for him. Which is wrong.

If he beats her after 150-200 chapters what will change? He should still be OP and other opponents should seem like walk in a park for him. What's the difference between beating her now or after 200 chapters? Kaidou, Blackbeard, Akainu, Kizaru should still be alive and in standing Luffy's way. There's Vegapunk and his creations. Doflamingo and his New Era, Gorosei and their secrets. Smoker, Tashigi, Coby and Helmeppo.

OP will not end if Luffy beats her right now. He's already at a point where NW captains that WB brought along with him should be weaker than him. Whether or not Luffy beats Big Mam they shouldn't be a concern for Straw Hats, so what are people so worried about? That Straw Hats are going to be too strong and eveyone else I mentioned before (admirals, yonkos, dofla ,gorosei, vegapunk) aren't going to be a challange for him?

tl;dr : If he beats her now or 200 chapters later, his other opponents which he has yet to meet won't become weaker than him.

Hope you got my point, I think I didn't explain it very well :/

I got the point. I'm not gonna argue anything since I'm kinda pressed for time right now.