[Discussion] Big Logic Failure in 683?

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

How can one of Naruto's clone not be enough to power Kamui?

We are speaking about Naruto, the chakra monster. He had hundredths of clones running around during the war, even fighting the revived Kages/Madara with just a clone. And Obito is really telling me that half of Naruto's chakra (it's split even between him and the clone) isn't enough?

Well what do I even complain, half of the things done with clones contradicts itself, especially the sage mode replenishing could never work.

 

[HENI]

1. Obito can't utilize Sage chakra

2. Naruto's clone doesn't have 9 bijuu. Only real Naruto has 9 bijuu.

 

[nandachikara]

1. Obito can't utilize Sage chakra

2. Naruto's clone doesn't have 9 bijuu. Only real Naruto has 9 bijuu.

second this

 

[Schɛrzσ]

1. Obito can't utilize Sage chakra

2. Naruto's clone doesn't have 9 bijuu. Only real Naruto has 9 bijuu.

This basically.
And the Kamui Obito is going to use isn't the same old thing he did in the past. He's going to enter a whole new dimension belonging to Kaguya, not him, hence the need of a huge amount of Chakra.

 

[roncato]

Obito said it needs a lot of chakra to travel to other dimensions, which isn't his. Why failure? Naruto isn't god, right?

 

[Airi]

It's just for plot purposes, to make Sakura useful.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

1. Obito can't utilize Sage chakra

2. Naruto's clone doesn't have 9 bijuu. Only real Naruto has 9 bijuu.

That would be logically if he didn't say he needs Sakura and Kakashi. Even together + her storage seal they should have less chakra than Naruto has.

It's just for plot purposes, to make Sakura useful.

The best conclusion till now ;-).

 

[Shinato]

That would be logically if he didn't say he needs Sakura and Kakashi. Even together + her storage seal they should have less chakra than Naruto has.

Now you're the one with a logic fail here. Kakashi alone probably has more chakra than the clone, combine that with Sakura + her seal that has 3 years worth of chakra along with Obito's own reserves and you have a lot more than Naruto's clone.

 

[Aoihime]

It's just for plot purposes, to make Sakura useful.

But she's gonna end up failing anyway,...

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

Now you're the one with a logic fail here. Kakashi alone probably has more chakra than the clone, combine that with Sakura + her seal that has 3 years worth of chakra along with Obito's own reserves and you have a lot more than Naruto's clone.

Ok I count it down for you:

Naruto's clone has half of all of Naruto's chakra, meaning basic chaka, biju chakra, nature chakra.

Kakashi has High Jonin to Kage level reserve, Sakura probably low Jonin, her seal the amount of 5-10 Kage (just a wild guess, would need a complex mathematic function to guess it better). Even Genin Naruto at 12 had far far more chakra than any Kage (think about the 1000 of Shadow Clones) so right now his basic chakra is probably in the league of a lesser biju.

Even if Obito can't use Nature or Biju chakra, Naruto's clone still has more than Kakashi and Sakura.

 

[Byron123]

Now you're the one with a logic fail here. Kakashi alone probably has more chakra than the clone, combine that with Sakura + her seal that has 3 years worth of chakra along with Obito's own reserves and you have a lot more than Naruto's clone.

I'm really not sure about kakashi's comparison. Back at the beginning of war, when he was way weaker, he could create thousands of clones who would actually do more than other powerful people, like Ohnoki and Gaara, Naruto's new clone has way more power than these clones of the past. That being said, the new clone is way stronger that Kakashi.

 

[Conspirator.]

But she's gonna end up failing anyway,...

And how do you know that?

 

[demon of the leaf]

And how do you know that?

Because he hates sakura

 

[Honord Sage]

It's a Kamikaze mission the return trip will burn up all their chakra and zero chakra equals death.

 

[-ahhimane-]

IMO, Naruto has mastered the clone jutsu so well that he can distribute his chakra in clones in the amount THE ORIGINAL wants to.
Even if there's only one clone of Naruto lingering around doesn't mean that he holds half the chakra of the original Naruto.

 

[Shinato]

Ok I count it down for you:

Naruto's clone has half of all of Naruto's chakra, meaning basic chaka, biju chakra, nature chakra.

Kakashi has High Jonin to Kage level reserve, Sakura probably low Jonin, her seal the amount of 5-10 Kage (just a wild guess, would need a complex mathematic function to guess it better). Naruto had like 10 Kage basic chakra reserve at age of 12.

Even if Obito can't use Nature or Biju chakra, Naruto's clone still has more than Kakashi and Sakura.

Kage Bushin-No-Jutsu divide the chakra of the user among the clones. Bijuu and Nature chakra are not Naruto's chakras. They are from another source, and thus they aren't dived into his clones. The clones itself only holds a portion of his chakra, which at the point should be massive right now, yes. Kakashi stated once that Naruto has about twice the amount of chakra as himself, that still counts as Naruto's natural chakra reserves has not increased since that. (It hasn't even been a year.) Meaning that half of Naruto's chakra, minus the one he has used up already is less than Kakashi right now.

 

[Shinato]

I'm really not sure about kakashi's comparison. Back at the beginning of war, when he was way weaker, he could create thousands of clones who would actually do more than other powerful people, like Ohnoki and Gaara, Naruto's new clone has way more power than these clones of the past. That being said, the new clone is way stronger that Kakashi.

Naruto only divide his natural chakra reserves when making clones, this reserve was stated to be about twice as big as Kakashi's. If that is true, then if Naruto has 2 clones then one clone holds roughly the same amount as Kakashi does. However, Naruto has already used some chakra, so he has less than his maximum, meaning that the clone has a little less than half of the maximum chakra Naruto has. (Meaning, less than Kakashi.)

 

[Aoihime]

And how do you know that?

Because at the bottom of one of the end pages it said that obito and naruto are going to save Sasuke not sakura naruto and obito

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

Kage Bushin-No-Jutsu divide the chakra of the user among the clones. Bijuu and Nature chakra are not Naruto's chakras. They are from another source, and thus they aren't dived into his clones. The clones itself only holds a portion of his chakra, which at the point should be massive right now, yes. Kakashi stated once that Naruto has about twice the amount of chakra as himself, that still counts as Naruto's natural chakra reserves has not increased since that. (It hasn't even been a year.) Meaning that half of Naruto's chakra, minus the one he has used up already is less than Kakashi right now.

Naruto's clones can be created with Sage Mode/Biju Mode/Biju Sage Mode activated, Kurama gave chakra to a clone (god I don't even know how this would work) so I am not really convinced only his base chakra is shared between them.

Also Naruto's base reserves must exceed Kakashi's by so much that it isn't even comparable. Just think back to the Rasenshuriken training you are telling me anybody else could have done that without dying? And Naruto never used Kyuubi chakra back then only his own.

Alone if you take the number of clones he can make and use compared to anyone else, that would mean he should have as much chakra as a half village^^.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Ok I count it down for you:

Naruto's clone has half of all of Naruto's chakra, meaning basic chaka, biju chakra, nature chakra.

Kakashi has High Jonin to Kage level reserve, Sakura probably low Jonin, her seal the amount of 5-10 Kage (just a wild guess, would need a complex mathematic function to guess it better). Even Genin Naruto at 12 had far far more chakra than any Kage (think about the 1000 of Shadow Clones) so right now his basic chakra is probably in the league of a lesser biju.

Even if Obito can't use Nature or Biju chakra, Naruto's clone still has more than Kakashi and Sakura.

Sakura was saving chakra in that seal for THREE years straight, no breaks... meaning even when she was sleeping she was storing chakra in there....

Obito said he would take both Naruto AND Sakura, not Sakura and Kakashi over Naruto e.e