Best shinobi

[Exaar]

Clearly Hiruzen-sama

Masters Nin, Tai and Gen and all 5 elements, Without the need of a Speical clan or being spoon fed powers from his brother/a God.

 

[Chaosmark101]

what world war did he stop?

Probably should have said prevented, but it was possible 4th shinobi world war had a neighboring village attacked the leaf, after their civil war.[

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[Red Neca]

Could Sasuke and Naruto Kill there whole famili and clan? Their mother and father. Itachi was stated by Danzo and Sarutobi as the "perfect shinobi" he did everything asked of him. You say the best shinobi doesnt mean the strongest but you just keep saying this one lacks stamina this one lacks strenght those two cant do every mission. Your just a fanboy trying to put your wrong to a right.

 

[lndra]

a mission involves several things, fighting is just one of them. so because he didnt clash with anyone all thos years now means he hadent started his mission? flawed logic. his mission started the moment he told them about it and left. he was doing personal investigations and tracking, just because it wasnt shown doesnt mean he wasnt doing anything. he said it himself, investigating kaguyas dimension and investigations take time. he kept himself out there till he finds something good, which when he did, in the movie he came to report back. thats what a soldier does. it took a while but it happened, his hypothesis was true. point blank

He was investigating a hypothesis which he didn't get information on about (after the Gokage meeting) at all, until the CHunin Exams. What's worse is his hypothesis was true, point blank. These oppponents were not only weaker than Kaguya, they had an entirely different motive.

fighting is just one aspect of a mission. smh. do you even know what a mission is? its just like current yamato, he is keeping guard over oro who hasnt made a move in years but he still stays there even though he isnt fighting. because thats the mission he was asigned

Do you even know how a mission works? Comparing Yamato's mission who was surveying Orochimaru, a past criminal, compared to Sasuke who was wandering Kaguya's dimensions searching for something that didn't even exist for 10 years later.

The main part of his mission was in the preventing of these guys from coming here, and trying to get information on them. Which neither didn't happen until 10 years, his mission was literally not worth much. Where are his efforst? In comparison to your "Yamato" who had actually been keeping an eye on Orochimaru for the safety of the World, Sasuke was searching for these threats for the safety of the world. The difference here being, Orochimaru is a living being he can keep on eye on, the Otsutsuki threats did not make themselves known until the future (similar to the Android threat)

when he has to travel several dimensions? that alone takes chakra. theres only so much he can do

He can use it at least one time before losing all of his chakra, that is more than enough to start some type of defense program. The guy wasn't searching for these guys for a few weeks, which would be understandable. But 10 years? Maybe it had something to do with the lack of information on them which made Sasuke less paranoid since he couldn't find anything useful... Though it would have been helpful he had something of use to show the World he was trying to protect.

he said he was investigating, when you do that you gain information. its expected that he would be very knowledgable about kaguyas dimensions and such.

The thing is KOP, he literally has no information to hand out. Tell me one thing, one thing Sasuke has to share to the world on this mission that wasn't already said in the Gokage meeting, and before the Movie.

so his hypothesis was true in the end.

Mostly true, but that's not why I'm arguing that his mission was a complete waste of time.

You see a large part of why this mission is retarded, which is why I'm shaking my head at why your arguing with me on this, is because Sasuke spent so many years searching Kaguya's dimensions finding nothing for a literal decade. At some point in time, he could have at least come home. There was no imminent threat lingering that needed his attention. So the flawless logic applied here just doesn't make sense to me. What's worse is that Kishimoto set it up where he could of learned his S/T (which he did during the Gokage meeting, at least before that because of what he said about Kaguya's dimensions) -- just recently and then start his mission after Sarada turned a Genin, and the results would of been the exact same.

true

Not really a fault on anyone here though. Naruto and Sasuke were working together before this, so Naruto set up a project for these kind of things. Cooperation at it's finest.

he cant defeat momo and kin alone, so he returned to report back and give them a scroll that has info about their abilities which he explained to all of them in that last battle.

I know, but I wasn't talking about Sasuke as a single person, I was talking about the group effort or the "world".

They all know these two were coming and despite this, we couldn't do jack shit for their arrival. Our planning was completely horrible. There's even a part in the Movie where Sasuke felt something bad was about to happen after reading the scroll, which just leads to my negativity here. How come these two guys didn't setup any barriers or anything (again not blaming this just on Sasuke to show an even understanding) -- When they knew these Otsutsuki monsters freaking existed? You see my problem here, again?

doesnt change the fact that he was on a mission for what purpose? to create a

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, stated by him in black and white.

Again, your missing the point of this entire discussion.

Without looking at the scan let me use some common sense here: "To build a better future"

Sasuke was talking about the fact that they need to safeguard the future, right? But you see, no one is actually downplaying his motives, or his actions in the mission, but the faulty time-skip that happens in between. There's nothing wrong with Sasuke's mission when it comes to his motive, but the problem being that some of it doesn't make sense. After the decade or so Sasuke was gone searching Kaguya's dimensions and finding nothing, at some point he must of thought, "I haven't found anything to report yet, it's been five years" -- At this point would you not have the sense to at least come home once? Or at least try to set up barriers?

These other 10 years went into waste where Kishimoto could of plunged in holes for his mission, they just don't make sense.

is the movie not part of the series? or am i missing something? in the end he did find something, the same thing he theorized on so he was correct in the end. he didnt a time lapse on when these threats were expected to come out, no one knew. he simply found clues that they existed which it turned out eventually

Talked about this already at least three times, and just now above you.

and what does the movie talking about his mission have to do with anything? its a secret mission only 7 pple know about and it was already talked about in gaiden so that last part of yours is meaningless. none of what you posted changes the fact(emphasis on that) that he undertook secret investigations to fish out a threat he knew would appear and thus gain some information and if possible stop the threat alone. he accomplished the former but not the latter. not everything has to be successful.

bold is the only thing you said that makes sense.

Honestly it's kind of funny, when you place the mission next to a real mission the logic kind of backfires. In example, Naruto was sent to guard the Daiymo. But the Daiymo was never there ... so he spent the rest of his day waiting for him to arrive, to no avail :lol

In Sasuke's mission he was sent to search Kaguya's dimensions to find clues, which he didn't. Not to mention he believed this threat was alive to the point where he spent years upon finding no credible evidence, and doing absolutely nothing to stop this future threat through any means of defenses between dimensions that he could search.

So does his mission meet the requirements? Absolutely not. Though if you look at it as in the sense of his mission just barely starting after he leaves in the Gaiden (right after defeating the Shin's with his family and Naruto/Chou Chou), absolutely.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Was trying to edit my post on the top of this Page^. Alas Narutobase signs me out when I try to fix it. So I'll just make a new comment with the first scan since that link is broken.

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[King Of Pop]

He was investigating a hypothesis which he didn't get information on about (after the Gokage meeting) at all, until the CHunin Exams. What's worse is his hypothesis was true, point blank. These oppponents were not only weaker than Kaguya, they had an entirely different motive.



Do you even know how a mission works? Comparing Yamato's mission who was surveying Orochimaru, a past criminal, compared to Sasuke who was wandering Kaguya's dimensions searching for something that didn't even exist for 10 years later.

The main part of his mission was in the preventing of these guys from coming here, and trying to get information on them. Which neither didn't happen until 10 years, his mission was literally not worth much. Where are his efforst? In comparison to your "Yamato" who had actually been keeping an eye on Orochimaru for the safety of the World, Sasuke was searching for these threats for the safety of the world. The difference here being, Orochimaru is a living being he can keep on eye on, the Otsutsuki threats did not make themselves known until the future (similar to the Android threat)



He can use it at least one time before losing all of his chakra, that is more than enough to start some type of defense program. The guy wasn't searching for these guys for a few weeks, which would be understandable. But 10 years? Maybe it had something to do with the lack of information on them which made Sasuke less paranoid since he couldn't find anything useful... Though it would have been helpful he had something of use to show the World he was trying to protect.



The thing is KOP, he literally has no information to hand out. Tell me one thing, one thing Sasuke has to share to the world on this mission that wasn't already said in the Gokage meeting, and before the Movie.



Mostly true, but that's not why I'm arguing that his mission was a complete waste of time.

You see a large part of why this mission is retarded, which is why I'm shaking my head at why your arguing with me on this, is because Sasuke spent so many years searching Kaguya's dimensions finding nothing for a literal decade. At some point in time, he could have at least come home. There was no imminent threat lingering that needed his attention. So the flawless logic applied here just doesn't make sense to me. What's worse is that Kishimoto set it up where he could of learned his S/T (which he did during the Gokage meeting, at least before that because of what he said about Kaguya's dimensions) -- just recently and then start his mission after Sarada turned a Genin, and the results would of been the exact same.



Not really a fault on anyone here though. Naruto and Sasuke were working together before this, so Naruto set up a project for these kind of things. Cooperation at it's finest.



I know, but I wasn't talking about Sasuke as a single person, I was talking about the group effort or the "world".

They all know these two were coming and despite this, we couldn't do jack shit for their arrival. Our planning was completely horrible. There's even a part in the Movie where Sasuke felt something bad was about to happen after reading the scroll, which just leads to my negativity here. How come these two guys didn't setup any barriers or anything (again not blaming this just on Sasuke to show an even understanding) -- When they knew these Otsutsuki monsters freaking existed? You see my problem here, again?



Again, your missing the point of this entire discussion.

Without looking at the scan let me use some common sense here: "To build a better future"

Sasuke was talking about the fact that they need to safeguard the future, right? But you see, no one is actually downplaying his motives, or his actions in the mission, but the faulty time-skip that happens in between. There's nothing wrong with Sasuke's mission when it comes to his motive, but the problem being that some of it doesn't make sense. After the decade or so Sasuke was gone searching Kaguya's dimensions and finding nothing, at some point he must of thought, "I haven't found anything to report yet, it's been five years" -- At this point would you not have the sense to at least come home once? Or at least try to set up barriers?

These other 10 years went into waste where Kishimoto could of plunged in holes for his mission, they just don't make sense.


Talked about this already at least three times, and just now above you.



Honestly it's kind of funny, when you place the mission next to a real mission the logic kind of backfires. In example, Naruto was sent to guard the Daiymo. But the Daiymo was never there ... so he spent the rest of his day waiting for him to arrive, to no avail :lol

In Sasuke's mission he was sent to search Kaguya's dimensions to find clues, which he didn't. Not to mention he believed this threat was alive to the point where he spent years upon finding no credible evidence, and doing absolutely nothing to stop this future threat through any means of defenses between dimensions that he could search.

So does his mission meet the requirements? Absolutely not. Though if you look at it as in the sense of his mission just barely starting after he leaves in the Gaiden (right after defeating the Shin's with his family and Naruto/Chou Chou), absolutely.

ehhnn i guess. we werent giving much info about the details specifically of the mission and how exactly it panned out so dont have much material to argue on. guess ill take the L on this one.

 

[WalksInShadows]

And I'm telling you that your list is flawed AF, because when has Madara ever done anything Ninja like? Or Sasuke since the Kage Summit?

Facts are you give Jiraiya or Itachi a mission & they'll complete it. Also lol those Ninja who killed Tobirama wouldn't even scratch Itachi before they get negged by Amaterasu, genjutsu or Susanoo :lol

Jiraiya can easily trap any ninja in

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while he can reverse summon out too

But your confusing skills with power here. Skillfull ninja are ninja like Itachi who can win against the impossible, blinding Nagato's summons from their blind spot with Kunai, or Stopping his gang from getting crushed by Chibaku Tensei.

i find it pretty interesting that you say Madara didn't do anything ninja-like because of some kind OP/hax tech and then hype up Jiraiya and Itachi's ninja-like skill by using hax/OP techs. If you think sneaking around with kabuki theatre masks on is the only thing ninjas are supposed to be capable of doing to show skill, then you have been watching too many 80's ninja movies.

You wouldn't have to ask when has Madara done anything "ninja-like" if you cared to remember/pay attention to the part where he spied on Hashirama and Tobirama's conversation in that office w/o either one of them noticing he was ever there until Hashirama saw the leaf Madara left, and then there was also him fooling the whole world into believing that it had seen the last of him when Hashirama killed him. There is also the matter that before getting EMS, Madara's skill is what got him through any given fight because he had no gimmicky techs to wantonly flaunt.

 

[Chaosmark101]

i find it pretty interesting that you say Madara didn't do anything ninja-like because of some kind OP/hax tech and then hype up Jiraiya and Itachi's ninja-like skill by using hax/OP techs. If you think sneaking around with kabuki theatre masks on is the only thing ninjas are supposed to be capable of doing to show skill, then you have been watching too many 80's ninja movies.

To be honest with you I like kung-fu movies, (Bruce Lee), "Ip Man", or Samurai movies like "The Seven Samurai" more but Omg this was gold
XD

You wouldn't have to ask when has Madara done anything "ninja-like" if you cared to remember/pay attention to the part where he spied on Hashirama and Tobirama's conversation in that office w/o either one of them noticing he was ever there until Hashirama saw the leaf Madara left, and then there was also him fooling the whole world into believing that it had seen the last of him when Hashirama killed him. There is also the matter that before getting EMS, Madara's skill is what got him through any given fight because he had no gimmicky techs to wantonly flaunt.

Right here I was joking. I still don't believe he's a traditional ninja on the level of those two, but yes he has done some Ninja esque things, & I shouldnt have appeared so one sided.
1.Madara did eavesdrop drop on Hashirama & Tobirama. (Dont think this counts as Madara was a leaf shinobi & Hashi's friend. Hashirama appeared to have known as well.
2.Madara entered Iwagakure and forced pretty much everyone along with Its future Kage Onoki to obey the leaf.
(Again this could be attributed due to their alliance, & or Madara's power)
3. Fooling Tobirama, & the uchiha going into hiding as you said.
4. Acquiring the Sanbi, & making Rin a jinchuriki when she was captured by iwakgakure, making them make her into a jin or forcing her to die by unknown means. Etc

 

[Phact]

The best shinobi by stealth is zetsu
The best overall is alive minato (with no power ups or clan)
Itachi is equal to minato becuz he died for the village(no explanation needed)
Madara was the best ninja before his *** change becuz he actually completed his plan

 

[DHOH]

Could Sasuke and Naruto Kill there whole famili and clan? Their mother and father. Itachi was stated by Danzo and Sarutobi as the "perfect shinobi" he did everything asked of him. You say the best shinobi doesnt mean the strongest but you just keep saying this one lacks stamina this one lacks strenght those two cant do every mission. Your just a fanboy trying to put your wrong to a right.

If Itachi was the 'perfect' shinobi then he would've took down Akatuski and prevented the war... But guess what? He didn't have the power to. Itachi was only perfect in the sense he was willing to do what was best for the village even if that means being branded as a criminal and Death to. Complete his mission.

Fact is Itachi simply isn't strong enough to be the best..

 

[Red Neca]

If Itachi was the 'perfect' shinobi then he would've took down Akatuski and prevented the war... But guess what? He didn't have the power to. Itachi was only perfect in the sense he was willing to do what was best for the village even if that means being branded as a criminal and Death to. Complete his mission.

Fact is Itachi simply isn't strong enough to be the best..

Itachi was sick that was his downfall, And Itachi did prevent the 4th sinobi war by him self with the uchiha downfall,he preventet by himself, and he didnt want to stop the akatsku becouse he was on a mission as a spy, he could have he was the steongest one there but he wantet for sasuke to be a hero of the leaf and so much more, and if it wasnt due to plot that madara got rinengan and Naruto and sasuke and kakashi got rikudou he would be the strongest shinobi. Itachi solos your fave

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Imma disagree here, soley due to this.

Spoiler

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Lol, well that was 17 year old Sasuke, not Adult Sasuke.

He was investigating a hypothesis which he didn't get information on about (after the Gokage meeting) at all, until the CHunin Exams. What's worse is his hypothesis was true, point blank. These oppponents were not only weaker than Kaguya, they had an entirely different motive.



Do you even know how a mission works? Comparing Yamato's mission who was surveying Orochimaru, a past criminal, compared to Sasuke who was wandering Kaguya's dimensions searching for something that didn't even exist for 10 years later.

The main part of his mission was in the preventing of these guys from coming here, and trying to get information on them. Which neither didn't happen until 10 years, his mission was literally not worth much. Where are his efforst? In comparison to your "Yamato" who had actually been keeping an eye on Orochimaru for the safety of the World, Sasuke was searching for these threats for the safety of the world. The difference here being, Orochimaru is a living being he can keep on eye on, the Otsutsuki threats did not make themselves known until the future (similar to the Android threat)



He can use it at least one time before losing all of his chakra, that is more than enough to start some type of defense program. The guy wasn't searching for these guys for a few weeks, which would be understandable. But 10 years? Maybe it had something to do with the lack of information on them which made Sasuke less paranoid since he couldn't find anything useful... Though it would have been helpful he had something of use to show the World he was trying to protect.



The thing is KOP, he literally has no information to hand out. Tell me one thing, one thing Sasuke has to share to the world on this mission that wasn't already said in the Gokage meeting, and before the Movie.



Mostly true, but that's not why I'm arguing that his mission was a complete waste of time.

You see a large part of why this mission is retarded, which is why I'm shaking my head at why your arguing with me on this, is because Sasuke spent so many years searching Kaguya's dimensions finding nothing for a literal decade. At some point in time, he could have at least come home. There was no imminent threat lingering that needed his attention. So the flawless logic applied here just doesn't make sense to me. What's worse is that Kishimoto set it up where he could of learned his S/T (which he did during the Gokage meeting, at least before that because of what he said about Kaguya's dimensions) -- just recently and then start his mission after Sarada turned a Genin, and the results would of been the exact same.



Not really a fault on anyone here though. Naruto and Sasuke were working together before this, so Naruto set up a project for these kind of things. Cooperation at it's finest.



I know, but I wasn't talking about Sasuke as a single person, I was talking about the group effort or the "world".

They all know these two were coming and despite this, we couldn't do jack shit for their arrival. Our planning was completely horrible. There's even a part in the Movie where Sasuke felt something bad was about to happen after reading the scroll, which just leads to my negativity here. How come these two guys didn't setup any barriers or anything (again not blaming this just on Sasuke to show an even understanding) -- When they knew these Otsutsuki monsters freaking existed? You see my problem here, again?



Again, your missing the point of this entire discussion.

Without looking at the scan let me use some common sense here: "To build a better future"

Sasuke was talking about the fact that they need to safeguard the future, right? But you see, no one is actually downplaying his motives, or his actions in the mission, but the faulty time-skip that happens in between. There's nothing wrong with Sasuke's mission when it comes to his motive, but the problem being that some of it doesn't make sense. After the decade or so Sasuke was gone searching Kaguya's dimensions and finding nothing, at some point he must of thought, "I haven't found anything to report yet, it's been five years" -- At this point would you not have the sense to at least come home once? Or at least try to set up barriers?

These other 10 years went into waste where Kishimoto could of plunged in holes for his mission, they just don't make sense.


Talked about this already at least three times, and just now above you.



Honestly it's kind of funny, when you place the mission next to a real mission the logic kind of backfires. In example, Naruto was sent to guard the Daiymo. But the Daiymo was never there ... so he spent the rest of his day waiting for him to arrive, to no avail :lol

In Sasuke's mission he was sent to search Kaguya's dimensions to find clues, which he didn't. Not to mention he believed this threat was alive to the point where he spent years upon finding no credible evidence, and doing absolutely nothing to stop this future threat through any means of defenses between dimensions that he could search.

So does his mission meet the requirements? Absolutely not. Though if you look at it as in the sense of his mission just barely starting after he leaves in the Gaiden (right after defeating the Shin's with his family and Naruto/Chou Chou), absolutely.

He knew for sure threats greater than Kaguya existed from what Zetsu said about Kaguya wanting to create an entire army from the earths whole population just to face them. Furthermore, he experienced Kaguya's power first hand in battle, & no longer even had what was needed to defeat someome of her level. Not he nor Naruto had the seals.

Factoring all this in, yeah it was very urgent that he went out because of these guys. He ofcoursed turned out to be right & was prepared to face them. The only damage they caused was destroying the Chunin exam staduim. That's far better than them having destroyed the world due to the only people who could possibly stop them being ignorant on their existence, & having done nothing to prepare.

Thanks to Sasuke the world was saved.

ehhnn i guess. we werent giving much info about the details specifically of the mission and how exactly it panned out so dont have much material to argue on. guess ill take the L on this one.

Lol, You gave in.

 

[Dantee]

Why is this even being discussed. when the main char of a ninja show calls you the best ninja its absolute.

 

[Michael]

Is undoubtedly Naruto Uzumaki.

He has all the skills to complete any mission.
JJ Madara would be second.

I wholeheartedly agree, Naruto Uzumaki FTW!

 

[Michael]

Why is this even being discussed. when the main char of a ninja show calls you the best ninja its absolute.

Thats called being modest, Naruto already wrecked sausage. Mr "I Lost" agrees and even told boruto so.

 

[Dantee]

Thats called being modest, Naruto already wrecked sausage. Mr "I Lost" agrees and even told boruto so.

Still 3-0 in a physical fight.

 

[Michael]

Still 3-0 in a physical fight.

Sasuke won some battles but Naruto won the war. Your fav converted to Narutoism, stay salty.

 

[Dantee]

Sasuke won some battles but Naruto won the war.

Only If holding Sasukes hand in the end is what you qualify as "winning the war".

 

[Michael]

Only If holding Sasukes hand in the end is what you qualify as "winning the war".

Disbanding your beliefs and adopting anothers aka converting to Narutoism is what I call winning the war.

 

[Dantee]

Disbanding your beliefs and adopting anothers aka converting to Narutoism is what I call winning the war.

Too bad Naruto winning the rivalry was never actually confirmed and is fanfic.