[Discussion] Best Haki Users

[Punk Hazard]

Remember that after Doffy regained consciousness he did not have the same mobility as he had before tanking LB. If the coliseum fodders were not present, Luffy would have been able to hide from Doffy. The only thing that was bugging Luffy mins was that he did not know what Doffy might do in the meantime. Doffy could have loured Luffy by threatening to kill innocent civilian, something that I doubt Doffy might have done considering his goal was to get to Luffy, in my opinion. I think Luffy might have been able to hide from Doffy alone.

I just finished 3 chapters after Luffy lost his G4 state.

If the colloseum fighters weren't present, Luffy would have fallen and passed out in the middle of the street. Doflamingo could have then just impaled him with a forest of Awakened strings.

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The notion that Doflamingo would threaten to kill innocents in order to draw out Luffy being the reason Luffy asked the fighters to stall Doffy makes no sense. Why? Because the fighters going to stall Doffy is what gave Doffy innocents to attack and torture; that's exactly what happened. See above image.

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't treat ramdoms like you seriously, naif.

You're cool, what a cool NB member you are, with your 30 K + posts.

And try spelling correctly next time you're trying to diss lol.

 

[Skull Knight]

You're wrong there ... it was a feat, but not impressive enough. If anything Mihawk feat was not good enough, because he cannot land solid blow to Luffy. Fujitora who is blind and hold his own as top tier shown impressive feat of CoO. On the Dresrossa chapter, when Fujitora drop the rubble he purposely didn't hit SH's fleet ships, that was impressive CoO feat. CoO isn't power of the eye, but the power to sense presence without seeing the object.

@Bold
Mihawk's eye was closed and he said, "u are still in my range". :bdpf:

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@Underline
he never used his strongest attack against Luffy. His strongest attack sliced Ice Tsunami thing.
He would have killed Luffy if Buggy, Vista, Crocodile didnot interfere.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Pretty sure sanji's keboukusho is better than usopp since he found sunny from dresrosa sky walking while it was around green bit...

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

@Bold
Mihawk's eye was closed and he said, "u are still in my range". :bdpf:

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@Underline
he never used his strongest attack against Luffy. His strongest attack sliced Ice Tsunami thing.
He would have killed Luffy if Buggy, Vista, Crocodile didnot interfere.

He tracked Luffy using his eyes not when his eyes closed. He closed his eyes after he land an attack on Luffy. Mihawk didn't predict Luffy's movement when Luffy manage to evade two his next blow. That show poor CoO for me, or Mihawk didn't use CoO in the first place.

 

[Skull Knight]

He tracked Luffy using his eyes not when his eyes closed. He closed his eyes after he land an attack on Luffy.

Yes and he closed his eyes and tracked Luffy again. This means blind/closed eyes can track anybody if they have good CoO.

Mihawk didn't predict Luffy's movement when Luffy manage to evade two his next blow. That show poor CoO for me, or Mihawk didn't use CoO in the first place.

Now u are nitpicking things.
If Mihawk wanted to Kill Luffy he would have used his strongest attack first time.
Luffy was lucky because Crocodile, Mr1, Vista interfered and stopped Mihawk. He has plot armor. otherwise doffy would have killed him at Dressrosa.

and since u brought this topic here;
Luffy sometimes use his reflex which makes it impossible to predict his movements

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He kicked Enel. Enel CoO was country lvl.

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so what does this means? Enel CoO is not good?

 

[Nox]

Observation
1. Fujitora
2. Enel via Goro Goro Enhancement
3. Usopp or Coby (come at me fool)

Armament
1. Luffy via Gomu Gomu Supplementation
2. Sabo
3. Vergo

Conquerors
1. Rayleigh
2. Luffy
3. Shanks

What exactly did Doflamingo do with his HH? I found him rather disappointing in that he didn't show anything new. Compare this to Ray who stopped an explosion, Luffy knocking out great masses (Marineford and Fisherman Island) or Shanks snapping WB's ship and the heaven splitting clash. DCJ vs Luffy was a better HH clash than DD vs Luffy. Observation wise Mihawk might be the best but his current feats don't put him in top users. The range he spotted Luffy is no where equal to Usopp who awoke his and he couldn't even tell Zoro had defeated Mandrills. Doflamingo KH couldn't pinpoint that Law was alive and shambled away. Lets not forget Fuji hearing about the thunder in Greenbit while he didn't.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Yes and he closed his eyes and tracked Luffy again. This means blind/closed eyes can track anybody if they have good CoO.


Now u are nitpicking things.
If Mihawk wanted to Kill Luffy he would have used his strongest attack first time.
Luffy was lucky because Crocodile, Mr1, Vista interfered and stopped Mihawk. He has plot armor. otherwise doffy would have killed him at Dressrosa.

and since u brought this topic here;
Luffy sometimes use his reflex which makes it impossible to predict his movements

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He kicked Enel. Enel CoO was country lvl.

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so what does this means? Enel CoO is not good?

I'm not nitpicking, I just stated a fact. Luffy didn't use that technic when he fought with Mihawk. Also Mihawk didn't track Luffy when he close his eyes, he only said that Luffy still in his range because Luffy got slash by him.
Enel was shocked because his attack didn't work, and he didn't try to dodge because he didn't believe Luffy can hit him. :yeah:

 

[loj]

Other than keep him at bay for 51 minutes without getting harmed again.


That's nowhere close to a one-shot. It was a battle lasting over an hour and Luffy needed dozens of people to help keep him alive so Doffy wouldn't kill him. But yeah, Doffy got one-shotted :|


Same as above. Strength of the strings and the strength of Luffy's arm itself also play major roles in Luffy breaking the strings, not just Haki. So the attribute Luffy breaking the strings solely to Luffy's Haki being stronger is incorrect.

Luffy's Haki could be weaker than Doflamingo's, and still blow the strings by carrying a volume of sheer force that's overwhelmingly higher than the force of Doflamingo's strings. That is why Luffy was able to break through the Boa sister's Haki using just his bare, non-Haki clad hands.


You talk as though Doflamingo would have been defeated from the KKG regardless of his health. Of course it knocked Doflamingo out, he just had his organs destroyed twice, struck by countless attacks, and fought Luffy and Law for over an hour. Rewind the clock to when Luffy and Law first encountered Doffy in that throne room, and Luffy hit KKG, Doffy would still be up and kicking.


You mean like how Luffy broke the Boa sister's Haki with his bare hands, proving that sheer brute force can allow someone to break through Haki without having stronger Haki clad to their hands?


This is even stupider the second time.


Don't worry, I explained it for you.

Hahahahah mate...if his thread isn't so good why would be even defend himself with it against King Kong anyways..you are always ignorant and thinks you are always right.Doflamingo had way to much time to defend himself with hand to hand haki,but no...he used "God Thread"...

Look at it this way...If u try to punch someone through the barrier your punch became much weaker when it breaks the barrier and advances to hit the target.

The fact that Luffy broke Doflamingo's barrier and at the same force one shotted him means he has more powerful Haki than Doflamingo has.

 

[Bogard]

Observation

1- Enel via goro enhancement - Dude can notice any type of vibrations in all over a country. It may be thanks to his devil fruit, but Fujitora didn't display a similar feat yet
2- Fujitora - Could hear thunder movement from far away
3- Mihawk(?) - Seems to be his speciality considering he has never been caught off-guard in the war of the best even when it was particularly crowded just like how he could detect and strike Luffy in the mist in a single instant

Armament

1- Garp
2- Rayleigh
3- Jozu

Garp could go through Marco's regeneration. Rayleigh or Jozu could make admirals bleed. I tend to favor top tiers who are more physical/sword reliant in this category anyway because they need armament the most to supplement their fighting style, but Akainu seems to be armament specialist himself though. After Mihawk's speech with Zoro concerning how vital armament is in swordsmanship, he may also be somewhere there, but he doesn't have the feat as of yet


Conqueror

1- Shanks
2- Rayleigh
3- Whitebeard

Shanks and Rayleigh got similar CoC portrayal in an SBS, but Shanks has the feat advantage. Whitebeard's CoC was also portrayed similar to Shanks' when he was on his ship, but i give them the edge for now. I think Dragon, Prime Rayleigh, Prime Whitebeard and especially Roger may have greater CoC though

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hahahahah mate...if his thread isn't so good why would be even defend himself with it against King Kong anyways..

Overestimated its abilities.

you are always ignorant and thinks you are always right.

Insult for the sake of insulting? You should stick to being a weeb in Premium chat, debating here isn't your thing. At all.

Doflamingo had way to much time to defend himself with hand to hand haki,but no...he used "God Thread"...

Is...this an argument? Doflamingo's hubris means his Haki was weaker?

Look at it this way...If u try to punch someone through the barrier your punch became much weaker when it breaks the barrier and advances to hit the target.

Look at this way: The manga shows Luffy's bare hands, without any Haki, breaking through Marigold's(I'm gonna just say it was Marigold, can't remember which one)Haki. I repeat: Luffy, using no Haki, broke through Marigold's Haki, with nothing but brute force.

I repeat again: Luffy, not using any Busoshoku Haki, was able to break through Marigold's Busoshoku Haki. Not because his Buso was stronger, but because he generated more force than her Haki was capable of withstanding.

The same could have happened between God Thread and KKG. Doflamingo's Haki on God Thread could have been stronger than Luffy's Haki on KKG, but the force generated by KKG was too much for Doflamingo's Haki to withstand.

The fact that Luffy broke Doflamingo's barrier and at the same force one shotted him means he has more powerful Haki than Doflamingo has.

Luffy broke Marigold's barrier as well without using Haki. Are you saying that the zero amount of Haki on Luffy's hands at that moment was stronger than the amount of Haki Marigold had on her body?

force one shotted him

HOW could that be a one-shot when Luffy hit Doflamingo tons of times before it? Are you dumb?

 

[loj]

Overestimated its abilities.


Insult for the sake of insulting? You should stick to being a weeb in Premium chat, debating here isn't your thing. At all.


Is...this an argument? Doflamingo's hubris means his Haki was weaker?



Look at this way: The manga shows Luffy's bare hands, without any Haki, breaking through Marigold's(I'm gonna just say it was Marigold, can't remember which one)Haki. I repeat: Luffy, using no Haki, broke through Marigold's Haki, with nothing but brute force.

I repeat again: Luffy, not using any Busoshoku Haki, was able to break through Marigold's Busoshoku Haki. Not because his Buso was stronger, but because he generated more force than her Haki was capable of withstanding.

The same could have happened between God Thread and KKG. Doflamingo's Haki on God Thread could have been stronger than Luffy's Haki on KKG, but the force generated by KKG was too much for Doflamingo's Haki to withstand.


Luffy broke Marigold's barrier as well without using Haki. Are you saying that the zero amount of Haki on Luffy's hands at that moment was stronger than the amount of Haki Marigold had on her body?


HOW could that be a one-shot when Luffy hit Doflamingo tons of times before it? Are you dumb?

I love how you started insulting me now :lol do you feel offended by any chance? I can see you shaking of fear.

Have u read the manga like at all? Luffy said he gonna one-shot Doflamingo after Luffy overused Haki.

What happened after Luffy got to use his Haki again? Doflamingo got one-shoted.Besides that wasn't just his simple thread.That was his first time we heard "God Thread" from him.Luffy's strongest attack vs Doffy's apparently strongest defence at this point.

I mean comparing freaking Luffy to a fodder like Boa sister is,is like comparing Luffy against Buggy >.< who know's how doo-doo her AH was,we are comparing 2 heavy-weight fighers now.Luffy and Doflamingo not Luffy and freaking sister of Boa.Doflamingo would put Boa sister into fodderzone locker...The fact that Luffy KH nearly whole stadium speaks for itself how weak Boa "army" was...And the fact that Luffy defeated Boa sisters without haki usage speaks for itselfs too how fodder sisters were...So I don't get your point by comparing a simple fodder to a fighter like Luffy is.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I love how you started insulting me now :lol

You mean the way you did in lieu of actually debeating? You really need to go back to the premmy chat.

Have u read the manga like at all? Luffy said he gonna one-shot Doflamingo after Luffy overused Haki.

Do you know what a one-shot is? A one-shot is Luffy vs Coby at Marineford, where the fight consists entirely one blow. Pretty sure Luffy vs Doflamingo was more than one-shot. Luffy's final attack knocking out Doflamingo isn't a one-shot.

What happened after Luffy got to use his Haki again? Doflamingo got one-shoted.

*Sighs*

Besides that wasn't just his simple thread.That was his first time we heard "God Thread" from him.Luffy's strongest attack vs Doffy's apparently strongest defence at this point.

Okay? So what? This is not an argument. This does not prove that Luffy's Haki is better than Doflamingo's.

I mean comparing freaking Luffy to a fodder like Boa sister is,is like comparing Luffy against Buggy >.<

Oh my God, I just know I'm regret reading past this point.

who know's how doo-doo her AH was,we are comparing 2 heavy-weight fighers now.Luffy and Doflamingo not Luffy and freaking sister of Boa

Are you-? Are you just stu-? You know, never mind.

Doflamingo would put Boa sister into fodderzone locker...The fact that Luffy KH nearly whole stadium speaks for itself how weak Boa "army" was...

That's. Not. The. Point. Luffy vs the Boa sisters show that someone without Haki can break another person's Haki by using pure brute force. It does not matter that it was the Boa sister and Luffy and that she's way weaker than Doflamingo, it shows that Haki can be broken if it's not capable of withstanding the force being thrown at it.

That's why your argument with the God Thread vs KKG does not work. The manga has given proof that Haki breaks if the force is too much for it, regardless of the strength of the Haki behind its force. The fact that Marigold is weaker than Doflamingo does not change that this concept exists: Haki breaks if the force is too much. Because this is a factor present in God Thread vs KKG, that does not function as proof that Luffy's Haki is stronger than Doflamingo's because Doflamingo's Haki could have simply broken because it wasn't strong enough to withstand the force.

 

[loj]

You mean the way you did in lieu of actually debeating? You really need to go back to the premmy chat.


Do you know what a one-shot is? A one-shot is Luffy vs Coby at Marineford, where the fight consists entirely one blow. Pretty sure Luffy vs Doflamingo was more than one-shot. Luffy's final attack knocking out Doflamingo isn't a one-shot.


*Sighs*


Okay? So what? This is not an argument. This does not prove that Luffy's Haki is better than Doflamingo's.



Oh my God, I just know I'm regret reading past this point.



Are you-? Are you just stu-? You know, never mind.


That's. Not. The. Point. Luffy vs the Boa sisters show that someone without Haki can break another person's Haki by using pure brute force. It does not matter that it was the Boa sister and Luffy and that she's way weaker than Doflamingo, it shows that Haki can be broken if it's not capable of withstanding the force being thrown at it.

That's why your argument with the God Thread vs KKG does not work. The manga has given proof that Haki breaks if the force is too much for it, regardless of the strength of the Haki behind its force. The fact that Marigold is weaker than Doflamingo does not change that this concept exists: Haki breaks if the force is too much. Because this is a factor present in God Thread vs KKG, that does not function as proof that Luffy's Haki is stronger than Doflamingo's because Doflamingo's Haki could have simply broken because it wasn't strong enough to withstand the force.

I honestly enjoy seeing how you act like you are some One Piece expert having debates with everyone in this OP section and thinking you are always right.

And that Premium Chat argument I feel like crying how you debate now >.< I think that should not matter at all which thread I visit and things...the fact that you beg for Premium everytime when is nearly expiring is just ironic now...And do you not feel confident in your word since you are pulling that "Premium Chat shit" argument?

I should *sigh* at at first 4 lines what you said now.

Besides...If Luffy did broke his "God Thread" by pure force doesn't that mean that his power should have been weaker after going hand to thread? His King Kong acted like there was not strong Haki enough to stop his attack even by little.He broke his "God Thread" which should have been his strongest defence and blasted right through it and finished Doflamingo.The difference in that power of Haki shouldn't be that big if he finished Doffy with same attack...He didn't break the thread and did another attack,he broke it and finished Doffy with single attack.

Try to punch something what is in water and tell me if u hit with same force the water like you would the pure air.No.Your punch gets weaker.Same should have happened to Luffy's attack if his haki wasn't so strong.

Luffy and Boa sisters what you just said...Luffy might have had broke sisters AH but that's just it,he just broke it and took little dmg.

This is different.Not only he broke his thread he KOed Doflamingo and that's why I think Luffy's haki is stronger,and by the fact that Doflamingo couldn't cope with Luffy's G4 as well.If he had strong enough haki Doflamingo by any chance shouldn't have been thrown so many times to the ground since he could have just parry it if that was the case.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I honestly enjoy seeing how you act like you are some One Piece expert having debates with everyone in this OP section and thinking you are always right.

And that Premium Chat argument I feel like crying how you debate now >.< I think that should not matter at all which thread I visit and things...the fact that you beg for Premium everytime when is nearly expiring is just ironic now...And do you not feel confident in your word since you are pulling that "Premium Chat shit" argument?

I love how you're criticizing someone for insulting when it started because you insulted someone instead of actually making an argument.

I should *sigh* at at first 4 lines what you said now.

Skip.

Besides...If Luffy did broke his "God Thread" by pure force doesn't that mean that his power should have been weaker after going hand to thread?

What part of "multiple factors creating the outcome" did you miss while reading?

His King Kong acted like there was not strong Haki enough to stop his attack even by little.He broke his "God Thread" which should have been his strongest defence and blasted right through it and finished Doflamingo.The difference in that power of Haki shouldn't be that big if he finished Doffy with same attack...He didn't break the thread and did another attack,he broke it and finished Doffy with single attack

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Except Haki isn't the only factor at play. Once again, the strength of Luffy's punch plus the strength of Doflamingo's God Thread is also at play. You don't know how much of an effect each of them had in the clash, so you cannot use that as proof that Doflamingo's Haki is weaker than Luffy's. In order to do that, you need irrefutable proof. And that clash is not irrefutable because the force of the two attacks could have played just as big if not bigger roles than Haki in KKG beating the God Thread.

Because the force of the KKG could have been the reason the God Thread failed, and not just the Haki, you cannot attribute that solely to Haki.

Luffy and Boa sisters what you just said...Luffy might have had broke sisters AH but that's just it,he just broke it and took little dmg.

Sighohmygod

This is different.Not only he broke his thread he KOed Doflamingo and that's why I think Luffy's haki is stronger,and by the fact that Doflamingo couldn't cope with Luffy's G4 as well.If he had strong enough haki Doflamingo by any chance shouldn't have been thrown so many times to the ground since he could have just parry it if that was the case.

Except if the force of KKG was too much for his Haki and God Thread, then he wouldn't have been able to parry with it because his attack was just too weak at that moment.

That is the point. Even if Doflamingo's Haki was stronger, he could still lose because the force of KKG is too much for his Haki. We have proof of Haki breaking if the force is too much with the Boa sister.

 

[loj]

I love how you're criticizing someone for insulting when it started because you insulted someone instead of actually making an argument.


Skip.



What part of "multiple factors creating the outcome" did you miss while reading?

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Except Haki isn't the only factor at play. Once again, the strength of Luffy's punch plus the strength of Doflamingo's God Thread is also at play. You don't know how much of an effect each of them had in the clash, so you cannot use that as proof that Doflamingo's Haki is weaker than Luffy's. In order to do that, you need irrefutable proof. And that clash is not irrefutable because the force of the two attacks could have played just as big if not bigger roles than Haki in KKG beating the God Thread.

Because the force of the KKG could have been the reason the God Thread failed, and not just the Haki, you cannot attribute that solely to Haki.

Sighohmygod


Except if the force of KKG was too much for his Haki and God Thread, then he wouldn't have been able to parry with it because his attack was just too weak at that moment.

That is the point. Even if Doflamingo's Haki was stronger, he could still lose because the force of KKG is too much for his Haki. We have proof of Haki breaking if the force is too much with the Boa sister.

I'm not insulting you by any point.If insulting you is stating facts how you act then I'm sorry.Since you do act like you are some OP expert of NB and sometimes denies simple manga facts by your own arugment.Like the time when the guy showed you Viz fact that Yonko's are one of most powerful pirates and you simple ignored that fact and created your fact for your own argument while denying what was written in manga.

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Luffy used KKG only once.And yet even without it he put Doflamingo to ground many times.

Doflamingo couldn't cope with Luffy's haki whole G4.If he could he wouldn't have recieved so much dmg like he did.

If Doflamingo's haki was as strong as Luffy's he would parry mainly all attacks Luffy directed to him.He didn't and that's the fact.

I can't agree that Doffy has same haki power as Luffy since he didn't prove it at all.Haki was the main factor in their fight and Luffy won...twice.

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

To those of you REALLY trying to argue that Doflamingo has better Busoshoku than Luffy... Just... LMAO.
Dude couldn't even hold up against a regular Kong Gun. Notice those black arms/hands when Luffy makes impact indicating that Donquixote was clearly trying to defend himself with his own haki (also shown in anime) and got wrecked by a weaker G4 attack. His guard didn't hold up at all.

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And to that dude who was trying to argue for Mihawk at #1 in Kenbunshoku; I'm done with you lol your comments have done more to prove my point than your own so thanks.

 

[Punk Hazard]

To those of you REALLY trying to argue that Doflamingo has better Busoshoku than Luffy... Just... LMAO.
Dude couldn't even hold up against a regular Kong Gun. Notice those black arms/hands when Luffy makes impact indicating that Donquixote was clearly trying to defend himself with his own haki (also shown in anime) and got wrecked by a weaker G4 attack. His guard didn't hold up at all.

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And to that dude who was trying to argue for Mihawk at #1 in Kenbunshoku; I'm done with you lol your comments have done more to prove my point than your own so thanks.

One again, you cannot use cases of Luffy using Gear 4 to say that his Haki is better than Doflamingo's because there is also the case of the force of Luffy's Gear 4 itself. Luffy's Haki is not solely at play. Luffy breaking through Doffy can easily be attributed to the force of Gear 4 instead of the Haki.

I could say that Luffy's Haki is weaker than Doflamingo's because of this panel using that logic

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[ZoroXTashigi]

ok that means Mihawk was analysing his attack range again and he knew Luffy was in his range. That means any guy can analyze how far your target is and can he/she attack him or not if he had CoO.


ok.here Enel again got punched. His CoO was unable to predict luffy's rebound punches

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and Luffy dodged Enel's first attack

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He was not analysing the range, he only said Luffy on his range because Luffy got slash. And Luffy not even movefuther after Mihawk tracked him using his eyes. And for good sake, it natural Mihawk said Luffy on his range because he hase such long range attack that he proved when cutting the iceberg.

Luffy attack aimed to the ark not Enel, that why CoO cannot predict it. Did you read the chapter?
Luffy didn't dodge Enel first attack (he take it frontal), Enel assume Luffy dodge because Luffy didn't hurt a bit. And Enel proven to be wrong after the second attack, because Luffy also didn't try to dodge. Again, did you pay attention when reading it?! Zzz

 

[Skull Knight]

He was not analysing the range, he only said Luffy on his range because Luffy got slash. And Luffy not even movefuther after Mihawk tracked him using his eyes.

Luffy didnot moved huh
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Next attack was not the long range one. He jumped on luffy with his sword.

And for good sake, it natural Mihawk said Luffy on his range because he hase such long range attack that he proved when cutting the iceberg.

Yes he kept analysing it with his CoO. (all those eye panels i posted)
and here he was analysing how luffy ran away from him

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Luffy didn't dodge Enel first attack (he take it frontal), Enel assume Luffy dodge because Luffy didn't hurt a bit. And Enel proven to be wrong after the second attack, because Luffy also didn't try to dodge. Again, did you pay attention when reading it?! Zzz

Enel missed the first attack. Did u saw the big hole besides Luffy? 2nd and 3rd attack hit luffy.