[Discussion] Best Haki Users

[JDtheAlchemist]

One again, you cannot use cases of Luffy using Gear 4 to say that his Haki is better than Doflamingo's because there is also the case of the force of Luffy's Gear 4 itself. Luffy's Haki is not solely at play. Luffy breaking through Doffy can easily be attributed to the force of Gear 4 instead of the Haki.

I could say that Luffy's Haki is weaker than Doflamingo's because of this panel using that logic

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@Bold - No, actually you couldn't considering that's Luffy's base form. His real Arnament power is shown in Gear 4th.
What is it you're not getting about that?

*Yawn* Next.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@Bold - No, actually you couldn't considering that's Luffy's base form. His real Arnament power is shown in Gear 4th.
What is it you're not getting about that?

*Yawn* Next.

Except nothing indicates his Haki got more powerful just by going into Gear 4. Why would Gear 4th increase the power of his Busoshoku Haki?

 

[loj]

I love how he just ignored my post hehehehe how mad must he have been :lol

Except nothing indicates his Haki got more powerful just by going into Gear 4. Why would Gear 4th increase the power of his Busoshoku Haki?

'Cause Luffy has more power in G4 that's why his destruction power is stronger a.k.a "haki" is stronger.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Luffy didnot moved huh
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Next attack was not the long range one. He jumped on luffy with his sword.


Yes he kept analysing it with his CoO. (all those eye panels i posted)
and here he was analysing how luffy ran away from him

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Enel missed the first attack. Did u saw the big hole besides Luffy? 2nd and 3rd attack hit luffy.

I though we are talking about cannon here ... not a filler in anime. Luffy running - Mihawk tracked luffy with his eyes - he attack Luffy (luffy got hit by Mihawk's long range attack and blown away to the wall) - Mihawk cocky and explain that Luffy cannot run from him, because he have long range attack and Luffy still on his range - then Mihawk jumping on Luffy - Luffy evade - so on. Well, If he use CoO on that fight...his CoO pretty weak, because Luffy can evade his attack.

Nah Luffy didn't evade that attack, Luffy jumping - Enel attack and hit him when he still mid air - Luffy not affected and landed on the ark - Enel assume Luffy evade - Nami confused, because he saw Luffy got hit - Nami is true because Luffy didn't evade the attack, if Luffy evade the first attack he also will try to evade the next attack.

 

[ToshiZO]

To those of you REALLY trying to argue that Doflamingo has better Busoshoku than Luffy... Just... LMAO.
Dude couldn't even hold up against a regular Kong Gun. Notice those black arms/hands when Luffy makes impact indicating that Donquixote was clearly trying to defend himself with his own haki (also shown in anime) and got wrecked by a weaker G4 attack. His guard didn't hold up at all.

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And to that dude who was trying to argue for Mihawk at #1 in Kenbunshoku; I'm done with you lol your comments have done more to prove my point than your own so thanks.

What in the ****?

Dude the attack was simply too strong for Doflamingo too block. The force behind it...do you even know what that means?

Like I said earlier stop using haki like its the only factor in battle.

You don't even need Haki to overpower someone using it like Luffy pre skip vs The Snake sisters.

That attack had absolutely nothing. Zero to do with Luffy's and Doflamingo's haki.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I love how he just ignored my post hehehehe how mad must he have been :lol

It wasn't worth responding to.

'Cause Luffy has more power in G4 that's why his destruction power is stronger a.k.a "haki" is stronger.

Haki is not destructive power. Luffy's destructive power is greater in Gear 4 because of the tensile strength that is built up when he retracts his limbs. Nothing to do with Haki's strength.

 

[Skull Knight]

I though we are talking about cannon here ... not a filler in anime. Luffy running - Mihawk tracked luffy with his eyes - he attack Luffy (luffy got hit by Mihawk's long range attack and blown away to the wall) - Mihawk cocky and explain that Luffy cannot run from him, because he have long range attack and Luffy still on his range - then Mihawk jumping on Luffy - Luffy evade - so on. Well, If he use CoO on that fight...his CoO pretty weak, because Luffy can evade his attack.

What???
Luffy hitting the wall and Mihawk jumping on Luffy was canon

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and I already told u Mihawk didn't want to kill Luffy. If he wanted to kill Luffy he would have used his strongest attack first time only.
see here Luffy was going to hit Mihawk with his Gomu Gomu no Jet Pistol but stopped because he knew Mihawk was ready with his CoO and he will lose his hand if he attack him

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This was first time luffy stopped his attack because he predicted his opponents move.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

What???
Luffy hitting the wall and Mihawk jumping on Luffy was canon

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and I already told u Mihawk didn't want to kill Luffy. If he wanted to kill Luffy he would have used his strongest attack first time only.
see here Luffy was going to hit Mihawk with his Gomu Gomu no Jet Pistol but stopped because he knew Mihawk was ready with his CoO and he will lose his hand if he attack him

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This was first time luffy stopped his attack because he predicted his opponents move.

I said Mihawk never tracked Luffy with close eyes ... in Manga. Because, he only tracked Luffy with power of his eyes, that made Luffy got slashed and hitting the wall, and Luffy stop moving, then Mihawk jumping on Luffy.

Mihawk the one, that said he wont hold back, so you said he wont kill Luffy didn't make sense, when he threw an attack that can destroy such big iceberg. Di we always see One Piece character that use his strongest attack from the start? Even if the person serious, he never use his strongest attack from the beginning, same with Mihawk.

When luffy stopped his attack, that shown Luffy awaken his CoO, because he predicted his own hand would be cut, if he not stop his own move. On that panel we saw Mihawk concentrate his eyes when he tried to cut Luffy's hand, same eyes that tracked Luffy, Mihawk didn't shown use CoO.

 

[loj]

It wasn't worth responding to.




Haki is not destructive power. Luffy's destructive power is greater in Gear 4 because of the tensile strength that is built up when he retracts his limbs. Nothing to do with Haki's strength.

That's right but more strenght in hand = More power in dmg + combined with Haki = stronger attack?

That's why he uses G4 to do more stronger attacks hence he wouldn't do the same in his regular form.

 

[Skull Knight]

Di we always see One Piece character that use his strongest attack from the start? Even if the person serious, he never use his strongest attack from the beginning, same with Mihawk.

Nice assumption but he always starts a fight with his strongest attack:

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& Mihawk started MF war with his strongest attack,

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Well, If he use CoO on that fight...his CoO pretty weak, because Luffy can evade his attack.

U think his Observation Haki is not good. He deflected that fodder pirate bullets easily.

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He stopped Zoro's signature attack(that time) with that knife.Zoro himself said, "There hasn't been a single man who could see through that move".

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He again predicted Zoro's attack

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He stopped all those Zoro's attack with his knife

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Here he used his Observation haki again and predicted Zoro's attack.

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If he wanted he could kill Zoro but he didnot pierced his heart.

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He accurately hit Luffy at MF(I hav already given this scan)

Lets end this argument.If he wanted he could kill Luffy at MF and Zoro at Don Krieg ship but they both got lucky and somehow survived against him.
Luffy never punched/kicked him. Nobody so far has beaten him. We knw he is a Yonko lvl guy. He has "WSS" & "Hawkeye" title. There must be a reason why people in OPverse call him "Hawkeye"?

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's right but more strenght in hand = More power in dmg + combined with Haki = stronger attack?

That's why he uses G4 to do more stronger attacks hence he wouldn't do the same in his regular form.

Exactly. More tensile strength yields more power and damage in attack. None of that means stronger Haki. You yourself just said the strength of his attack was determined by the strength of his hand AND Haki.

 

[Anduril]

Except nothing indicates his Haki got more powerful just by going into Gear 4. Why would Gear 4th increase the power of his Busoshoku Haki?

Except that Law said Luffy was using "Too much Haki", meaning he was using more than in gear 2.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Except that Law said Luffy was using "Too much Haki", meaning he was using more than in gear 2.

That doesn't make it stronger.

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

Keep in mind everyone, the name of this thread is "Best Haki Users." While I will still argue all day that Luffy's Busoshoku is stronger than Doflamingo's, that isn't even the point. Luffy uses his haki more effectively than Doflamingo and many others because it is an essential part of Boundman. Gear 4th wouldn't be possible without a certain level of mastery of Busoshoku that Luffy has more or less obtained (time limit). The fact that he combines the use of Busoshoku with his devil fruit abilities to come up with an entirely new form that is at least high-Shichibukai level is what got him the spot on the list. No matter how you look at it, Luffy's Busoshoku is really strong and Boundman wouldn't be s**t without it.

 

[Anduril]

That doesn't make it stronger.

Yes it does.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes it does.

It really doesn't. Quantity=/=quality. Using more of the same quality Haki is still the same quality Haki.

 

[Anduril]

It really doesn't. Quantity=/=quality. Using more of the same quality Haki is still the same quality Haki.

You are mixing manufactured goods with Haki. For Haki more is always better, because if it was not, Dofy would have been able to get past gear 4 with his attack but he could not.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You are mixing manufactured goods with Haki. For Haki more is always better

That's fabrication.

because if it was not, Dofy would have been able to get past gear 4 with his attack but he could not.

Nope, because Gear 4 generated too much force for Doffy to withstand and deflect.

 

[Anduril]

That's fabrication.

Nope, because Gear 4 generated too much force for Doffy to withstand and deflect.

I am talking about this panel

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, you git. He hit him in the side, what too much force are you talking about?

 

[Punk Hazard]

I am talking about this panel

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, you git. He hit him in the side, what too much force are you talking about?

Oh you mean the thing that was credited and shown to be because of his rubbery skin, not Haki?