[Discussion] Best Haki Users

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Luffy's armament isn't even that great.
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Vergo's armament > Luffy's from what I've seen.
Yup. Well, maybe not the Vergo part, but Luffy himself said he needs to further his train his Busoshoku. I wouldn't put him in the top five.

That was "ages" ago XD last time I've seen Luffy's haki was stronger than Doflamingo's...
Nope, feats puts Doffy's and Luffy's Armament around the same level
 
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Hm, when it comes to CoO... I don't know how much Usopp's own marksmanship comes into play. Where do we draw the line that we think Haki is influencing his shot as opposed to his raw skill? Is his raw skill just a manifestation of CoO? It's a fine line that would help me decide whether I'd put him in top 3 or not.

Also, I think I'd put Sabo above Luffy when it comes to CoA. It seemed like his fighting style before his DF mainly consisted of CoA before. Collapsing an entire coliseum, breaking Burgess's armor, and I believe he crushed a sword of the Marines with his Haki didn't he? His armament is very powerful.
 

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Fujitora actually have better feat than Mihawk ... he can hear Nami's lightning mile away! What it impressive from Mihawk tracked Luffy ... in just hundred meter away at best?
so Mihawk
-tracking Luffy at MF where lots of guys were fighting is not a feat
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-hitting accurately Luffy at Marineford is not a feat
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-Even Luffy realised if he fight Mihawk at MF he would loose his hand
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-He stopped Crococdile who came from nowhere
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-And Mihawk tried to solo WB(who is quite far from him) with his sword
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These are some good feats Mihawk showed with his Observation Haki.
 
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so Mihawk
-tracking Luffy at MF where lots of guys were fighting is not a feat
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Luffy was weak sauce at MF fam. Not to discredit Mihawk or anything, but that's not super impressive considering Luffy was immensely out of his league.

-hitting accurately Luffy at Marineford is not a feat
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Same as above. Someone at the strength of current Luffy or Law could do the same to Luffy if they were there, and I don't think they're very close to Mihawk yet.

-Even Luffy realised if he fight Mihawk at MF he would loose his hand
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What does this have to do with Mihawk's Observation Haki?
-He stopped Crococdile who came from nowhere
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Crocodile stopped him.

-And Mihawk tried to solo WB(who is quite far from him) with his sword
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These are some good feats Mihawk showed with his Observation Haki.
Again, this has what to do with Observation Haki?
 

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Luffy was weak sauce at MF fam. Not to discredit Mihawk or anything, but that's not super impressive considering Luffy was immensely out of his league.
so its not a feat?

Same as above. Someone at the strength of current Luffy or Law could do the same to Luffy if they were there, and I don't think they're very close to Mihawk yet.
That's not the point. Mihawk accurately hit luffy there with his Observation haki and lots of guys were standing in between them.

What does this have to do with Mihawk's Observation Haki?
Luffy noticed Mihawks eye, that's why he stopped his attack

Crocodile stopped him.
Again, this has what to do with Observation Haki?
if u watch carefully u will see oda showed Mihawk's eyes in all those panels.
He also had the title "Hawkeye". Maybe oda wants to show he is the strongest Observation haki guy in OPverse.
 
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so its not a feat?
Not one that matters.


That's not the point. Mihawk accurately hit luffy there with his Observation haki.
Which isn't very impressive because it's Luffy before timeskip.



if u watch carefully u will see oda showed Mihawk's eyes in all those panels.
He also had the title "Hawkeye". Maybe oda wants to show he is the strongest Observation haki guy in OPverse.
None of those really convey that he's the strongest user of Observation Haki.
 

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Not one that matters.
I already showed 3 or 4 manga scans which shows Mihawk using Observation Haki to track luffy, attack him and fighting other guys like Croco and WB. Besides he got "Hawkeye" title(which definately means something).


Which isn't very impressive because it's Luffy before timeskip.
Pre timeskip luffy :
-defeated 3 Shichibukai(Buggy, Crocodile,Moriah), 2Shichibukai(Boa and Jimbei) joined him
-defeated God(Enel)
-Escaped Impel down
-Survived Buster call
Comeon bro Raftel Luffy will be 10times better then Dressrosa Luffy, does this mean Dressrosa luffy is nothing?


None of those really convey that he's the strongest user of Observation Haki.
"World Strongest Swordsman" title makes him
Yonko lvl guy
greater then shanks
but his "Hawkeye" title doesnot make him best Observation haki guy.
 

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Yup. Well, maybe not the Vergo part, but Luffy himself said he needs to further his train his Busoshoku. I wouldn't put him in the top five.



Nope, feats puts Doffy's and Luffy's Armament around the same level
No...G4 haki is clearly stronger than Doffy's which was seen Luffy breaking Doffy's armanent thread few times...
 

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No...G4 haki is clearly stronger than Doffy's which was seen Luffy breaking Doffy's armanent thread few times...
That doesn't indicate that Luffy's Haki was stronger than Doflamingo's. The strength of the strings and the strength of Luffy's Gear 4 body also factor in. There are too many individual factors besides solely Haki to quantify the strength of their Haki against each other's from that instance. Considering that Luffy resisting Doflamingo's blows and cuts were attributed to his enhanced elasticity, there's no indication that his Haki got stronger by just going Gear 4.
 

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That doesn't indicate that Luffy's Haki was stronger than Doflamingo's. The strength of the strings and the strength of Luffy's Gear 4 body also factor in. There are too many individual factors besides solely Haki to quantify the strength of their Haki against each other's from that instance. Considering that Luffy resisting Doflamingo's blows and cuts were attributed to his enhanced elasticity, there's no indication that his Haki got stronger by just going Gear 4.
>_< Luffy fooled around with Doffy,Doffy wasn't able to do shiet against Luffy's haki.

Hence Luffy even one shotted Doffy with same haki...


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Not only he broke his "God Thread" it even defeated Doflamingo with same blow.So it broke his armanent and under same difference in force it one shotted Doflamingo...How's that not stronger then I don't even know anymore...
 

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>_< Luffy fooled around with Doffy,Doffy wasn't able to do shiet against Luffy's haki.
Other than keep him at bay for 51 minutes without getting harmed again.

Hence Luffy even one shotted Doffy with same haki...


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That's nowhere close to a one-shot. It was a battle lasting over an hour and Luffy needed dozens of people to help keep him alive so Doffy wouldn't kill him. But yeah, Doffy got one-shotted :|

Not only he broke his "God Thread"
Same as above. Strength of the strings and the strength of Luffy's arm itself also play major roles in Luffy breaking the strings, not just Haki. So the attribute Luffy breaking the strings solely to Luffy's Haki being stronger is incorrect.

Luffy's Haki could be weaker than Doflamingo's, and still blow the strings by carrying a volume of sheer force that's overwhelmingly higher than the force of Doflamingo's strings. That is why Luffy was able to break through the Boa sister's Haki using just his bare, non-Haki clad hands.

but it even defeated Doflamingo with same blow.
You talk as though Doflamingo would have been defeated from the KKG regardless of his health. Of course it knocked Doflamingo out, he just had his organs destroyed twice, struck by countless attacks, and fought Luffy and Law for over an hour. Rewind the clock to when Luffy and Law first encountered Doffy in that throne room, and Luffy hit KKG, Doffy would still be up and kicking.

So it broke his armanent
You mean like how Luffy broke the Boa sister's Haki with his bare hands, proving that sheer brute force can allow someone to break through Haki without having stronger Haki clad to their hands?

and under same difference in force it one shotted Doflamingo
This is even stupider the second time.

...How's that not stronger then I don't even know anymore...
Don't worry, I explained it for you.
 

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That's nowhere close to a one-shot. It was a battle lasting over an hour and Luffy needed dozens of people to help keep him alive so Doffy wouldn't kill him. But yeah, Doffy got one-shotted :|
Help that he did not need as Luffy stated he could hide away from Doffla alone. Pay attention to the manga when you're reading it. :lol
 

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Help that he did not need as Luffy stated he could hide away from Doffla alone. Pay attention to the manga when you're reading it. :lol
And how would the immobile, unconscious Luffy have done that, pray tell? Luffy said he could still run, but he'd need them to stall Doffy for ten minutes. Otherwise, Doffy would have caught and killed him.
 
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so Mihawk
-tracking Luffy at MF where lots of guys were fighting is not a feat
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-hitting accurately Luffy at Marineford is not a feat
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-Even Luffy realised if he fight Mihawk at MF he would loose his hand
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-He stopped Crococdile who came from nowhere
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-And Mihawk tried to solo WB(who is quite far from him) with his sword
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These are some good feats Mihawk showed with his Observation Haki.
You're wrong there ... it was a feat, but not impressive enough. If anything Mihawk feat was not good enough, because he cannot land solid blow to Luffy. Fujitora who is blind and hold his own as top tier shown impressive feat of CoO. On the Dresrossa chapter, when Fujitora drop the rubble he purposely didn't hit SH's fleet ships, that was impressive CoO feat. CoO isn't power of the eye, but the power to sense presence without seeing the object.
 

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And how would the immobile, unconscious Luffy have done that, pray tell? Luffy said he could still run, but he'd need them to stall Doffy for ten minutes. Otherwise, Doffy would have caught and killed him.
Remember that after Doffy regained consciousness he did not have the same mobility as he had before tanking LB. If the coliseum fodders were not present, Luffy would have been able to hide from Doffy. The only thing that was bugging Luffy mins was that he did not know what Doffy might do in the meantime. Doffy could have loured Luffy by threatening to kill innocent civilian, something that I doubt Doffy might have done considering his goal was to get to Luffy, in my opinion. I think Luffy might have been able to hide from Doffy alone.

I just finished 3 chapters after Luffy lost his G4 state.
 
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