Believe the hype!

[Rainbow Dash]

Believe the hype!

Tsunade Sama

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Medical Genius

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Feats
stamina feats

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What do you think, how many civilians and ninjas live in Konoha? Look what Zetsu says about the army

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The members of the ASF are from the following lands: Land of Fire, Land of Wind, Land of Water, Land of Earth, Land of Iron ( Samurai ) and Land of Lighting. There are probably less samurai than everyone else but for the sake of skepticism let's say that every country put equal amounts into the army. 80000/6 would be 13, 333 people. And as we know, gennins are not allowed to take part in the war. With them, the number of shinobies would be 14.000- 14.500/ country. Let's assume the shinobies live either near or in Konoha. Why? Because they need to complete missions. And who gives the orders? The Hokage. We must also take into consideration that not everyone in Konoha is a shinobi. There are civilians too ( merchents, Ramen Guys, etc ) Konoha is a military based city, so let's assume there are only ~ 6000- 7000 civilians. So according to this, more then 20.000 people live in or close to Konoha.
But naturally, not everyone lives in Konoha. Let's say there were 10- 12.000 peoples in Konoha when Pain attacked the village. ( but probably this is a low ball estimation, 'cause Konoha is the largest city in the land of fire )

So healing all those people at a time shows how much chakra she has.

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She had to heal far more complex injuries in the invasion. Not just one injury but thousands of them.

But now let's see her stamina feats in the war:

1. She used the

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when she arrived to the battlefield.
2. She healed the

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and gave them chakra
3. She healed the

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gave her chakra
4. Tsunade activates the

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5. Shortly after this she was

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She healed from that and she tanked and healed from three

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6. She faced 5

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and fought against them ( in offscreen time, though )
7. She was impaled by another two

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and healed from them
8. She

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Onoki's jinton, which was able to destroy 25 Complete Susanoo clones.
9. healing from Madara's

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Conclusion: Tsunade has far more chakra then three Kage combined.




Lets look at her speed feats

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Beat ay to madara and landed the hit first. Yet him being lighten by onnoki and having the ration cloak.

1. She blitzed

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2. She

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and stabbed Manda Keep in mind, Jiraiya and Gamabunta couldn't even react to his speed.
3. Tsunade threw herself in front of Orochimaru's

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No one was able to react to her speed.
4. Orochimaru couldn't dodge her

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, despite he was close to her and he saw her trembling stopped.
5. She

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Kabuto, despite her muscles were cut
6. She

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the elders
7. In her fight with Kabuto, Tsunade was

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but she was still able to

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to Kabuto's

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8. Even in a fatigued state she

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the battlefield before the ANBUS.
9.

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Tsunade was drunk and distracted, but she was able to react, despite the rasengan was basically in front of her face.
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reached Naruto and Bee so quickly that neither of the was able to see them coming.
11. Madara

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her speed to the Raikage's. Of course she is not as fast as the Raikage, but being compared to the second fastest character alive proves she's not slow.
12. Tsunade

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Madara. He couldn't prepare his own attack ( the Yasaka Magatama ) before Tsunade's attack landed.
13. Tsunade was the only Kage who could

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in time to madara's Katons.
14. Was able to surprise bee and naruto yet naruto is a sensor

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14. react to pain blitz in a close to death state

Katsuyu

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1.

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2.

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3.

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and

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And if the enemy steps on katsuyu they will be killed.
4. shoot out

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And seeing how manda had to use his top notch speed to dodge it shows that this isn't a easy move to dodge by far. not to mention tsunade can amplify it and make it 10x stronger and bigger

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Fighting
Fighting multiple enemies at once

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1. The first Susanoo is still standing
2. The 2nd most likely is recovering It's on the ground
3. The same can be said about the 3rd
4. She knocked down the

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1.

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2.

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her damage level is 210 meters

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Even though sakura did this hashirama stated

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meaning tsuande and sakura have equal strength or sakura is a little better. Either way tsunade destruction level would be 150+ meters


poisons

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Not only can she make poisons that are more effective than sasori's but she can also cure poisons/toxins. (chiyo and hanzo)

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This is the woman who jiriya preferred as hokage more than himself

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A living Legend

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[Flawž]

Lovely thread, i agree. Tsunade > Kaguya no diff.

 

[Gagster]

This seems familiar, but where have I seen this before.

 

[KingHashirama]

Feats wise she has more chakra than Nagato/Kisame and anyone from the current generation (except jinchuriki.)

PS: I believe you forgot the, best of the sanin when it comes to combat.

 

[UCE]

tsunade>sakura

 

[Joker]

Feats wise she has more chakra than Nagato/Kisame and anyone from the current generation (except jinchuriki.)

PS: I believe you forgot the, best of the sanin when it comes to combat.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, no.

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In this thread I will try to present and comment on Orochimaru as a whole. The reason I decided to create this thread is that not only is Orochimaru severely underrated but also, due to many of his abilities being not even having names - also misunderstood. I'll also try to figure out why some of his past Databook scores were what they were.
Another reason would be that the only Orochimaru entry in the Databook regarding his stats was when he was armless, sick or dying. That's why I thought we needed a wider look at it

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Ninjutsu, Fuuinjutsu and Kuchiyose

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Orochimaru is well-known for his pursuit of knowledge and abilities so it's not surprising that he's very skilled in this area.

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• Edo Tensei
  Obviously the strongerst technique Orochimaru has shown so far. It binds a soul and forces it to come back from the pure to the impure world. A vessel for that soul has to be a dead body of a human sacrifice and talismans (fuda) implanted into the Edo allows Orochimaru to completely erase their memories and personalities to turn them into killing machnies following his orders [
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• Formation of Ten Thousand Snakes
  Another very strong technique that works by releasing thousands of poisonous snakes that in additions to their fangs produce a replica of Kusanagi and swarm their opponent [
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  ]. Without massive aoe techniques like Kyuubi shockwaves, it becomes really deadly and almost impossible to evade.

• Eight Branches
  Orochimaru's strongest snake-like technique. According to Databook it's created with Orochimaru's usage of White Snake Regenerative Powers that he obviously has due to becoming a white snake himself and has a form of Dragon God [
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  ], even though its sealing power was said to be strong enough to seal anything it pierces.

• Five Elements Seal
  A very strong, A-rank seal that allows its user to disturb foe's chakra flow. Also, when used on an even-numbered seal that sealed another source of chakra inside one's body, disturbs that chakra source as well [
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• Cursed Seal
  Another powerful seal that utilizes Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra. Injecting it into one's body causes them to feel severe pain [
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  ]. Also, it implants Orochimaru's consciousness and chakra inside their bodies, making Orochimaru almost immortal only thanks to this technique alone, since he can emerge from the seals if the foe is low on chakra [
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  ], he gets unsealed [
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  ] or releases himself after victims of Cursed Seal lost their free will [
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  But as for combat usage of this technique, it can be also used to paralyse a foe and make him unable to fight [
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• Living Corpse Reincarnation
  Simply, Oro's immortality jutsu. He takes over a victims' bodies and keeps their soul supressed inside his own dimension. Taking over one's body also let's Orochimaru use all their abilities and also KKG. Moreover, strong bodies compatibile with strongest variants of Cursed Seal would let him stay in them for much longer or perhaps even forever. That's why his number 1 body was Kimimaro, then Sasuke [
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  ] AND that he's researched Hashi DNA thoroughly (to the point where he even knew about Zetsu's sensory abilities [
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  ], gave Danzou Mokuton and actually managed to give Mokuton to Yamato), it's easily assumed that White Zetsu abilities are nothing he couldn't use. That leaves us with Zetsu Spores, Mayfly, sensory abilities and also probably Mokuton.

• Wind Release: Great Breakthrough
  A jutsu based on one of the two Nature Transformations Orochimaru has shown so far - Fuuton. It creates a massive violent gale of wind that managed to uproot giant trees in the Forest of Death [
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• Sound Wave
  Actually, NarutoWikia tags it as anime-only, but it's not true. This technique was used by Orochimaru canonically and managed to harm 2 Anbu, Hiruzen and Enma to the point they landed on the ground defenseless and started to bleed [
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• Kuchiyose - Manda, 3 Ribbon Snakes and Giant Twin Snakes
  Not much to write here. Orochimaru has many, many summons in his possession and these are the giant ones he summonned in the manga.
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Taijutsu, Kenjutsu, Strength and Close Combat

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This is the area where Orochimaru gets severely underrated in and I'll try to convince you that he's not that defenseless when it comes to Taijutsu and CQC.

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• Taijutsu
  While Orochimaru hasn't shown that many Taijutsu feats, his style is different from what we've seen so far. He utilizes kicks and punches with his physique and the fact that he can get away with wounds without any backdraft. It's exactly what happened when Orochimaru rushed at Jiraya [
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• Kenjutsu
  His Kenjutsu is another story. Orochimaru is very skilled in using his legendary Sword of Kusanagi, which was proven for example when Hiruzen rushed with Enma staff on Orochimaru who didn't even have his Kusanagi in his hand. Yet he managed to equip it in time and repel consecutive Hiruzen's attacks [
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  Orochimaru also developed techniques to enhance his sword fighting - and that being his Longsword of the Sky jutsu, letting him to control his Kusanagi with some sort of levitation and thereby making it in fact another opponent that Oro's foes have to encounter at the same time [
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• Strength and CQC with usage of Snakes
  Orochimaru's strength and close combat potential are also very wide, yet underrated.
  With use of his tongue he can effortlessly throw people around with a great force [
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  Also, just like others use boost their Kenjutsu/Taijutsu with Kunai, Senbon or other weapons, Orochimaru does it as well with extensive usage of his Snakes and poison. Orochimaru often relies on his
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  . Both described in the Databook as poisonous serve as another source of lethal attack and extension of Orochimaru's arms and grips.
  Another thing worth noticing is the massive strength of these snakes. Snake Glare effortlessly stopped raging Juugi and Suigetsu in the middle or their attacks [
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  ] and Shadow Snake Hands effortlessly stopped a point-blank, already accelerated God Tree's branch [
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Genjutsu

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Many people, me included, always wondered why Orochimaru had a 5 in Genjutsu in the Databook. Considering that he hasn't used any Genjutsu yet and that Itachi caught him in his Genjutsu made things even more strange. But let's take a look at this scan [

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]. Orochimaru right away could tell what was the technique and was surprised that himself, out of all people, was the one to get caught in it, so it strongly suggests that it wasn't him not being able to resist such Genjutsu cast by other characters, but it was just that Itachi was in way another league in terms of Genjutsu than probably any other character in NV and to make it even worse, the Genjutsu was a Sharingan one.
Another testament to his skill is that even while under the effect of a Binding Illusion, he still managed to attempt to release himself from it [

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Intelligence and Knowledge

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I think there won't be any exaggeration if I say that Orochimaru is the most or at least one of the most intelligent and knowledgable characters in NV. Even Hiruzen said that he doesn't compare to Orochimaru and his intelligence. I'll just list some of the thing he's done so far and back up with scans only ones that may be unknown by others.

• Managed to decypher Uchiha Stone without Sharingan!
• Created his own dimension.
• Researched Hashi's DNA thoroughly to the point he knew everything about it [
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• Ran several hideouts with a great amount of prisoners without getting caught, despite being no.1 in the Bingo book [
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• Researched many Kinjutsu, including immortality spell.
• Managed to re-summon the Shinigami and release the souls he had in his stomach.
• Is an expert in 'sinister' Medical techniques - experimented on infants and many other people, including tries of turning humans into snakes [
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• Found Kusanagi and Ryuuchidou, which others considered legends only.

Speed and reactions

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• Speed feats
  Base Orochimaru managed to outspeed and jump away from 4tailed Kyuubi chakra arms without problems [
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  Orochimaru also managed to blitz Kabuto and Yamato from quite a distance without them even noticing. Yamato couldn't even switch his Kunai a few inches in Kabuto's direction before they both got blitzed [
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  Moreover, Orochimaru knows Shunshin which he used against Sakura, Naruto and Yamato [
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• Reaction feats
  First off, Orochimaru managed to evade Kyuubiruto chakra arm while mid-air [
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  Also, he reacted to a point-blank, accelerated God Tree's branch and saved Hiruzen, even though there was quite a distance between these two [
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  Another testament to his reaction and speed feats would be him managing to summon Triple Rashoumon to defend from a Tailed Beast Blast, AFTER it'd been already fired off! [
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Stamina

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Actually, Orochimaru is often considered a character with low stamina. But it's not true! Let's look at some scans.
Firstly, during the Sannin lockdown, Tsunade could summon a part of Katsuyu smaller than Manda and it was her limit. Orochimaru on the other hand showed he could summon 2 Giant Snakes AND Manda, despite beng feverish and weakened by the side effects of Shiki Fuuin [

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Secondly, during his fight with Naruto, not only did he use his Replacement Technique quite a few times, which technique was considered very chakra-draining [

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], summonned ten thousand snakes (!) and summonned Triple Rashoumon - where even a single one requires massive amout of chakra to perform (can't find an English scan, but I can post a Spanish one if needed )

Moreover, now that Orochimaru took over a Zetsu body, his stamina gained a massive boost as well. We've seen what Hashi's DNA does after it gets accepted by the body (for example Obito, Danzou).

Defense, mobility and miscellaneous

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• Defense
  Orochimaru is probably the most difficult character to kill or even harm seriously. He utilizes many justu to mitigate or evade damage:

A. Soft Physique - an ability to extend and control his body to an extent where he can dodge incoming attacks and surprise his foe [

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B. Body Replacement - an already mentioned ability, that let's Orochimaru create another body, free from damage. Also, despite its name, it's not only replacement. He creates new limbs and body parts with it, as seen with Oro's hand cut off by Itachi, kept in his laboratory [

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], while is having new hands himself.
C. Gathering of the Snakes -an ability, where Orochimaru releases White Scaled Snakes from his own dimension to reconnect his human shell when damaged severely [

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D. Triple Rashoumon - also an already mentioned ability. It let's Orochimaru summon 3 giant gates that serve as his extremely good defense against potentially lethal attacks [

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E. Vanishing Facial Copy - an extremely underrated technique. Actually, Orochimaru having taken over a body can add his own layer of 'skin' not only to make him look like old Orochimaru, but also to defend him from attacks. This thin layer of 'skin' was strong enough not to let Kyuubiruto to get past it [

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• Mobility

A. Earth Release: Hiding like a mole - an ability that let's Orochimaru instantly, without any hand seals dig underground and travel at fast speed, spy on enemies or simply use it as an escape or striking tool. Moreover, it grants its user a sensory ability due to magnetism, so using it as offense isn't a problem here [

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B. Attack Prevention Technique - Orochimaru uses it to merge with other objects to evade attacks [

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C. Shadow Clone - no explanation needed [

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• Sensory abilities
  Orochimaru obviously has temperature and smell sensing [
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  ] and sensed Naruto, Sakura and Sai hiding in the bush [
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  ]. Another testament to his sensory skills is that he figured out that Kabuto had Sasori's needle in his brain and freed him from this jutsu. Without sensing he wouldn't be able to figure it out, since that jutsu removes its victim's knowledge on that he actually is affected by it, so his behavious cannot give anything away [
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• Regeneration
  Apart from his ability to create new limbs, Orochimaru also possesses amazing regeneration abilities. They were praised by Sasuke after absorbing his chakra [
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• Poison Immunity
  Orochimaru is also immune to poisons, firstly thanks to his body structure and secondly thanks to his experiments with poisons and his body [
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• Chakra draining
  Another feat in Orochimaru's arsenal. He showed being able to suck chakra with a mere touch and even decide what he wanted to suck out and what he didn't want to [
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Now that I've finished my explanations, I'll try to make a Databook score for current Orochimaru.

Databook Score

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Ninjutsu	5
Taijutsu	4-4.5
Genjutsu	5
Intelligence	5
Strength	4
Speed	4.5-5
Stamina	5
Hand Seals	5

Total: 37.5-38.5

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Databook Score

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*Note that Taijutsu score depends on whether we count his Hidden Snakes and Kenjutsu as a part of it.
*Formating stuff based on Penguin.'s and Neonian's posts.

Bonus

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Hope you enjoyed it and please, let me know what you think.

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[Rainbow Dash]

I believe you forgot the, best of the sanin when it comes to combat.

No .

 

[Flakez]

I came here expecting a Hiruzen thread.

 

[maggioso]

eh I never really liked tsunade that much. gotta give her props for the ability to regeneration though.

 

[Kαmi]

Lawl, Meido always makes the best hype threads.

Though I came to this thread expecting Hiruzen :| Tsunade should get her own slogan.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

lol no if it wasn't for plot she'd be dead living legend hype from a part 1 jkabuto lmao

 

[WhistleBlower]

Good thread, i love it when fans go hard out to make others acknowledge their favs Lol

 

[CloudWalker]

Believe the hype!

Have you betrayed us Rainbow Dash ??

 

[KingHashirama]

lol no if it wasn't for plot she'd be dead living legend hype from a part 1 jkabuto lmao

you do realize Kabuto literally got saved by the interference of Naruto and Jiraiya right?

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, no.

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Anddd then Jiraiya disagress. And then you try to claim i'm believing hype and that you know more, then i'll say no you didn't train with orochimaru in the manga, and you'll say thats all hype (since you won't be able to provide another excuse) or say Orochimaru learned new stuff.. and i'll then say not really only thing new he has is the Edo tensei everything else is pretty old. .. and so on. same old routine.

And why post me a thread of the weakest Sanin orochimaru? Rofl.... could've atleast put jiraiya to be more credible.

 

[Joker]

you do realize Kabuto literally got saved by the interference of Naruto and Jiraiya right?

No, she's not the best in combat, that's outdated and was irrelevant when it was stated.

 

[Yanks]

No, she's not the best in combat, that's outdated and was irrelevant when it was stated.

Lovely avatar.

 

[Joker]

Lovely avatar.

Thanks, thanks, I know it's faboo
OT: No

 

[KingHashirama]

No, she's not the best in combat, that's outdated and was irrelevant when it was stated.

Only problem is, your opinion on when something is irrelevant doesn't even matter..

 

[Joker]

Only problem is, your opinion on when something is irrelevant doesn't even matter..

Da problem here is, dat your opinion on when something seems relevant is actually irrelevant, hueehueh, fall back. In all seriousness, it's outdated because Jiraiya hasn't seen Orochimaru in 10 years so what his statement said is based off of an assumption the last time they meant. As far as i'm concerned Orochimaru developed new jutsu and techniques.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

So in conclusion Lord Madara>Tsunade