[Discussion] Battle of Cousins!

[bashkim]

I respectfully disagree with that. And I think it's so obvious that Ichigo will need new power ups to defeat Yhwach.
- Ichibe in last chapter said that Ichigo and co can't defeat Yhwach with their abilities. (this was already said by Hiyori and Urahara)
- Yhwach still has at least 5 Quincies, with their dead his strenght could increase once again.

Ichigo got his true zanpakuto, but what he didn't master is his Quincy powers.

It you right to disagree, but could you explain me one thing. How the hell will Ichigo master his qunicy power, when he used Blut -vene. When he fought Aizen he trained for three months to learn the FGT.
As I said, Bach could kill Uryuu, if he tries to betray him, because he can remove the fragment of his soul that is in Uryuu.
Their are no Qunicy how could trains him in such short time.
We do not know if Ichigo has surpass Yammato or not.

 

[ToadSageNaruto]

It you right to disagree, but could you explain me one thing. How the hell will Ichigo master his qunicy power, when he used Blut -vene. When he fought Aizen he trained for three months to learn the FGT.
As I said, Bach could kill Uryuu, if he tries to betray him, because he can remove the fragment of his soul that is in Uryuu.
Their are no Qunicy how could trains him in such short time.
We do not know if Ichigo has surpass Yammato or not.

ichigo learns sh*t by instinct. he activated blut vene by instinct. its not logical but, hey. look at the way his quincy powers were awakened in the first place.. by breaking out of kirge/quilge's prison.
his zan. is now half hollow/shinigami half quincy. if he could effectively summon old man zangetsu and speak with him again he could very well learn all types of quincy related abilities.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

It you right to disagree, but could you explain me one thing. How the hell will Ichigo master his qunicy power, when he used Blut -vene. When he fought Aizen he trained for three months to learn the FGT.
As I said, Bach could kill Uryuu, if he tries to betray him, because he can remove the fragment of his soul that is in Uryuu.
Their are no Qunicy how could trains him in such short time.
We do not know if Ichigo has surpass Yammato or not.

Kubo still need to give explanation of how he was able to get FGT by training with his QUincy side.
There are numeros Quincies techniques, and Ichigo from what we now can only use Blut. (Vollstandig, Letzt Still, Sklaverei, Spirit Weapon, Schrift,....). Ryuuken, or someone could betray Yhwach, also don't forget that Mayuri studied Quincies a lot.

Yhwach can't kill Uryuu that way, because something in Uryuu will surpass Yhwach's powers, that's why Uryuu is so special.

 

[ToadSageNaruto]

Kubo still need to give explanation of how he was able to get FGT by training with his QUincy side.
There are numeros Quincies techniques, and Ichigo from what we now can only use Blut. (Vollstandig, Letzt Still, Sklaverei, Spirit Weapon, Schrift,....). Ryuuken, or someone could betray Yhwach, also don't forget that Mayuri studied Quincies a lot.

Yhwach can't kill Uryuu that way, because something in Uryuu will surpass Yhwach's powers, that's why Uryuu is so special.

no he doesn't because he didn't learn it from his quincy side.
ichigo's power source is both his quincy & shinigami/hollow powers.
when they taught him FGT they fused into one being.
he learned the tech. from both sides considering thats what his power was comprised of.
however fake zangetsu stated that whenever he taught ichigo something he used his hollow (his true shinigami spirit),
which he also did in the case of FGT. thus ichigo lost his shinigami powers. because thats what fake zangetsu used to teach him FGT.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

no he doesn't because he didn't learn it from his quincy side.
ichigo's power source is both his quincy & shinigami/hollow powers.
when they taught him FGT they fused into one being.
he learned the tech. from both sides considering thats what his power was comprised of.
however fake zangetsu stated that whenever he taught ichigo something he used his hollow (his true shinigami spirit),
which he also did in the case of FGT. thus ichigo lost his shinigami powers. because thats what fake zangetsu used to teach him FGT.

There are much issues when you look at Fake Zangetsu not being Ichigo's zanpakuto.

- His bankai is black, how the heck is his bankai black when his shinigami side is white, shouldn't his bankai be white (When Hichigo used it in Ichigo Realm, Lol, it was white), so why is his bankai exact the same color as Fake Zangetsu.
- Ichigo fused with his Zangetsu (Holow), so how is his hair color in Mugetsu black? Even if I go that both were fused how Ichigo didn't had one white wisp? Because Yhwachgetsu (fused being) surely did had it.
- Ichigo didn't just lost his shinigami powers, because on top of it he also has Quincy powers inside him, after he lost his powers he couldn't see spirits, if he lost just his shinigami self, than he should still be able to see spirits because of his Quincy powers. Actually, even if he lost his Quincy powers he still should see spirits, because when Uryuu used Letzt Still, he didn't had a problems with seeing spiritis, but that's some other story.

 

[bashkim]

ichigo learns sh*t by instinct. he activated blut vene by instinct. its not logical but, hey. look at the way his quincy powers were awakened in the first place.. by breaking out of kirge/quilge's prison.
his zan. is now half hollow/shinigami half quincy. if he could effectively summon old man zangetsu and speak with him again he could very well learn all types of quincy related abilities.

I agree with your explanation. It´s make sense.

 

[bashkim]

Kubo still need to give explanation of how he was able to get FGT by training with his QUincy side.
There are numeros Quincies techniques, and Ichigo from what we now can only use Blut. (Vollstandig, Letzt Still, Sklaverei, Spirit Weapon, Schrift,....). Ryuuken, or someone could betray Yhwach, also don't forget that Mayuri studied Quincies a lot.

Yhwach can't kill Uryuu that way, because something in Uryuu will surpass Yhwach's powers, that's why Uryuu is so special.

It does not matter what Qunicy techniques exist. Ichigo use only GT even he posses shinigami/hollow powers.

 

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[Forbidden Tale]

It does not matter what Qunicy techniques exist. Ichigo use only GT even he posses shinigami/hollow powers.

GT is not Shinigami technique anyway.

But, Ichigo use zanpakuto, which is Shinigami's primary weapon and is way more than half of shinigami's power. He also uses Shunpo.

 

[bashkim]

GT is not Shinigami technique anyway.

But, Ichigo use zanpakuto, which is Shinigami's primary weapon and is way more than half of shinigami's power. He also uses Shunpo.

His father used also Getuga Tensho what are you talking?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

His father used also Getuga Tensho what are you talking?

Ichigo used his GT while he had only his Fullbringer powers.

 

[bashkim]

Ichigo used his GT while he had only his Fullbringer powers.

When his full bringer power were fused with his soul reaper power.

 

[ToadSageNaruto]

GT is not Shinigami technique anyway.

But, Ichigo use zanpakuto, which is Shinigami's primary weapon and is way more than half of shinigami's power. He also uses Shunpo.

GT is a shinigami technique. isshin used it. hollow ichigo uses the black verson. hollow ichigo = shinigami spirit. fullbring ichigo = powers from mom surviving hollow attack. therefore the attack still goes back to his hollow. therefore its his shinigami attack. and ichigo used it again since he awakended his true zanpakuto. now has new variations.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

When his full bringer power were fused with his soul reaper power.

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GT is a shinigami technique. isshin used it. hollow ichigo uses the black verson. hollow ichigo = shinigami spirit. fullbring ichigo = powers from mom surviving hollow attack. therefore the attack still goes back to his hollow. therefore its his shinigami attack. and ichigo used it again since he awakended his true zanpakuto. now has new variations.

Hichigo is his shinigami side fused with his hollow. But his hollow alone is not his shinigami self.

GT is not shinigami technique. GT is Shiba's technique. Only Shiba's were able to use it (Isshin and Ichigo). Kugo was one more character who used it, but if you look more careful, you will see that Kugo never used it prior to absorbing Ichigo's power. Kugo also used bankai directly from what we think is his fullbring, which mean that his fullbringer and zanpakuto are somehow merged, and even though he had his shinigami powers all along, he only used it after he absorbed Ichigo's reiatsu (Ichigo is a Shiba and therefore has Shiba's reiatsu).

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[bashkim]

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Hichigo is his shinigami side fused with his hollow. But his hollow alone is not his shinigami self.

GT is not shinigami technique. GT is Shiba's technique. Only Shiba's were able to use it (Isshin and Ichigo). Kugo was one more character who used it, but if you look more careful, you will see that Kugo never used it prior to absorbing Ichigo's power. Kugo also used bankai directly from what we think is his fullbring, which mean that his fullbringer and zanpakuto are somehow merged, and even though he had his shinigami powers all along, he only used it after he absorbed Ichigo's reiatsu (Ichigo is a Shiba and therefore has Shiba's reiatsu).

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According to you ; Ichigo zanpakto should have a zanpakto power.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

According to you ; Ichigo zanpakto should have a zanpakto power.

??? Don't understand...

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I think Uryu and Ichigo will fight unless Uryu is faking allying with juha bach

 

[DoubleKamui]

Some boring-ass fight.

Never liked seeing Uryu joining Yhwach's team. Uryu has no great reason to fight Ichigo; it's all forced.