Base Naruto vs KM clone

[lanakau888]

Dont make me upload sasuke vs naruto. Kiba vs naruto. Neju vs naruto.
In all these instances they got a direct hit and they difused

Of course they do. If they sustain enough damage compared to how much chakra is poured into them, they will disperse. The point that I made with the other scans is that they CAN take hits depending on the quality of the clones. KM clones are both of way higher quality than a base naruto clone, but they also have the KM shield to protect them.

 

[lanakau888]

Base naruto is a fodder ninja. The km clone should beat it

Then kakashi and anyone below him is also fodder.

 

[TheSages456]

base naruto km naruto wont tank 10 rasengans coming at him

 

[Blaze Release]

Of course they do. If they sustain enough damage compared to how much chakra is poured into them, they will disperse. The point that I made with the other scans is that they CAN take hits depending on the quality of the clones. KM clones are both of way higher quality than a base naruto clone, but they also have the KM shield to protect them.

It doesnt depend on the quality of the clone. It depends on the attack used on them. Km clone no doubt has more durability, but with sufficient direct force/attack it will also diffuse.

 

[Better]

Base naruto is a fodder ninja. The km clone should beat it

Kakazu is also fodder in that case

Base naruto would win all he needs,is one hit

With a kunai or a shuriken

Plus base naruto can make a shit load more clone

100 base clones > 100 1/12th KM clones

 

[Blaze Release]

Then kakashi and anyone below him is also fodder.

Kakashi said what he said when naruto learnt fuuton shuriken rasengan.
Base naruto has average taijutsu, speed and ninjutsu.

Kakashi >>>>>>>>>> base naruto
Lets not forget that this is the same naruto that pre ms sasuke wouldve easily killed during the reunion and kakashi would no doubt have given that sasuke a much more challenging fight than naruto

 

[Blaze Release]

Kakazu is also fodder in that case

Base naruto would win all he needs,is one hit

With a kunai or a shuriken

Plus base naruto can make a shit load more clone

100 base clones > 100 1/12th KM clones

Kakuzu was half dead when naruto came into the picture and even that kakuzu caught him and kakashi and yamato intervened

 

[lanakau888]

It doesnt depend on the quality of the clone. It depends on the attack used on them. Km clone no doubt has more durability, but with sufficient direct force/attack it will also diffuse.

And yet, a clone runs into a tree with enough force to destroy the tree, and complains about overexerting himself.
Or the fact that three swords slashes can't even get past KM's chakra shield.

Those 2 feats alone puts a KM clone's durability far past kakashi's durability.

 

[Blaze Release]

And yet, a clone runs into a tree with enough force to destroy the tree, and complains about overexerting himself.
Or the fact that three swords slashes can't even get past KM's chakra shield.

Those 2 feats alone puts a KM clone's durability far past kakashi's durability.

Kakashi can run into a tree without sustaining any damage. Naruto's clone held those swords. That isnt really a durability feat

 

[lanakau888]

Kakashi said what he said when naruto learnt fuuton shuriken rasengan.
Base naruto has average taijutsu, speed and ninjutsu.

I refer you to the deva vs kakashi and deva vs base naruto taijutsu fights. Naruto held his own a lot better than kakashi did. Then I will refer you to a base naruto clone able to restrain kakashi when naruto and sasuke clashed. Then I would refer you to base naruto matching base sasuke's speed after danzo died.

Kakashi >>>>>>>>>> base naruto
Lets not forget that this is the same naruto that pre ms sasuke wouldve easily killed during the reunion and kakashi would no doubt have given that sasuke a much more challenging fight than naruto

You are argueing that base naruto from chapter 260 = base naruto now - rasenshuriken? That is hilarious.
Its not the same naruto that pre-ms sasuke would have easily killed. Naruto's feats put his physical stats far above himself when he first appeared in part 1. Then we have naruto getting waay better at his use of shadow clones, speed feats that put him = to sasukes speed, taijutsu feats that put him at kakashi's level. There really is no limit to the amount in which you downplay naruto.


And you are going to completely disregard Kakashi's statement about how base naruto from chapter 350 is stronger than him?

 

[lanakau888]

Kakashi can run into a tree without sustaining any damage. Naruto's clone held those swords. That isnt really a durability feat

Scan of kakashi doing anything suggesting he can destroy a tree by running into it and not sustain damage.

naruto's clone BLOCKED those swords, which is why they were swung, then they stopped at his arm.

 

[Blaze Release]

I refer you to the deva vs kakashi and deva vs base naruto taijutsu fights. Naruto held his own a lot better than kakashi did. Then I will refer you to a base naruto clone able to restrain kakashi when naruto and sasuke clashed. Then I would refer you to base naruto matching base sasuke's speed after danzo died.


You are argueing that base naruto from chapter 260 = base naruto now - rasenshuriken? That is hilarious.
Its not the same naruto that pre-ms sasuke would have easily killed. Naruto's feats put his physical stats far above himself when he first appeared in part 1. Then we have naruto getting waay better at his use of shadow clones, speed feats that put him = to sasukes speed, taijutsu feats that put him at kakashi's level. There really is no limit to the amount in which you downplay naruto.


And you are going to completely disregard Kakashi's statement about how base naruto from chapter 350 is stronger than him?

All the feats you compare base naruto to do not tell the full story. Kakashi fought deva realm at his strongest. No way is base naruto's taijutsu better than kakashi's. The data book even disagress with you.

Sasuke was greatly weakened after fighting danzo. He wasnt even fully fresh from fighting the kages. Again the data book disagrees. Sasuke's speed is greater than base naruto.

To finally finish this argument. Base naruto is the naruto that had a training match with kakashi with the help of sakura after the time skip, but in this case he has fuuton shuriken rasengan.

Base naruto cannot defeat kakashi.
No way

 

[lanakau888]

Exactly what i was about to say next. None have taken a direct hit.
Infact in sarutobi's case im sure it was the real one

Sarutobi made three. Two went to seal the first and second, those were the ones that got hit, and as a result were bleeding at the mouth. After the first and second were sealed, both went poof, and an undamaged sarutobi went to try and do the same thing to oro.

 

[Blaze Release]

Sarutobi made three. Two went to seal the first and second, those were the ones that got hit, and as a result were bleeding at the mouth. After the first and second were sealed, both went poof, and an undamaged sarutobi went to try and do the same thing to oro.

What i will admit is that kishi shows alot of inconsistency in the things he does and says. But to my knowledge a clone diffuses with enough force

 

[Blaze Release]

Scan of kakashi doing anything suggesting he can destroy a tree by running into it and not sustain damage.

naruto's clone BLOCKED those swords, which is why they were swung, then they stopped at his arm.

Kakashi hasnt been in a situation where he would run into a tree, so i know i dont have a link for that. xd

Kakashi also blocked zabuza's sword with his arm. Imo that sword is alot bigger and heavier than the one naruto blocked

 

[lanakau888]

All the feats you compare base naruto to do not tell the full story. Kakashi fought deva realm at his strongest. No way is base naruto's taijutsu better than kakashi's. The data book even disagress with you.

Oh cmon, you must be grasping at straws if you are going to use the databook. The databook makes naruto and sakura almost equals.
The databook was made loooong before naruto even began sage training. And we are talking about pure taijutsu. Deva is just as strong in taijutsu when fighting kakashi as he was against Naruto.

Sasuke was greatly weakened after fighting danzo. He wasnt even fully fresh from fighting the kages. Again the data book disagrees. Sasuke's speed is greater than base naruto.

Grasping at straws again.
Sasuke's speed has nothing to do with his stamina.

To finally finish this argument. Base naruto is the naruto that had a training match with kakashi with the help of sakura after the time skip, but in this case he has fuuton shuriken rasengan.

That's why you are a hater, since Kakashi has stated that naruto has surpassed him, and that naruto has cannon feats that put him at least at kakashi's level.

So since we are at the stage where you are going to refute blatant manga statements, then lets go to itachi's statements. "If itachi wanted to he could have killed you", now that one no longer means anything so hebi sasuke > itachi.

Base naruto cannot defeat kakashi.
No way

The amount you downplay naruto is legendary.

 

[lanakau888]

Kakashi hasnt been in a situation where he would run into a tree, so i know i dont have a link for that. xd

then you have no right to make that claim.

Kakashi also blocked zabuza's sword with his arm. Imo that sword is alot bigger and heavier than the one naruto blocked

Scan? And if I remember correctly, he blocked it with the metal on his glove, not with just his clothes and flesh.

 

[TrollingSage]

KM clone. You have to keep up! With the speed that is

 

[Blaze Release]

Oh cmon, you must be grasping at straws if you are going to use the databook. The databook makes naruto and sakura almost equals.
The databook was made loooong before naruto even began sage training. And we are talking about pure taijutsu. Deva is just as strong in taijutsu when fighting kakashi as he was against Naruto.


Grasping at straws again.
Sasuke's speed has nothing to do with his stamina.


That's why you are a hater, since Kakashi has stated that naruto has surpassed him, and that naruto has cannon feats that put him at least at kakashi's level.

So since we are at the stage where you are going to refute blatant manga statements, then lets go to itachi's statements. "If itachi wanted to he could have killed you", now that one no longer means anything so hebi sasuke > itachi.



The amount you downplay naruto is legendary.

Whatever the case the data book is from kishi. Also why are you mentioning sage mode, i thought this was base naruto and you say im grasping at straws. If you disagree with the data book stats thats between you and kishi xd.

You say sasuke's speed has nothing to do with stamina. What you are basically saying is that there isnt a correlation between speed and stamina when there clearly is even in real life. Anyway after kakashi used kamui which affects his stamina you remember what he said about his speed and if it wasnt for naruto sakura wouldve been dead by now.

Im not hating, kakashi said it because he has learnt a technique that not even the fourth could and died. That doesnt mean base naruto > kakashi

 

[Blaze Release]

then you have no right to make that claim.


Scan? And if I remember correctly, he blocked it with the metal on his glove, not with just his clothes and flesh.

That metal was not thick at all to give him such protection. Also zabuza's sword is alot bigger and heavier than the one used on naruto