Base Naruto Jonin lvl ??

[Baka Sennin]

I believe you said how many people can defeat an s-rank ninja, by this you were clearly talking about kakuzu. Whether fazed or not even after getting 2 hearts destroyed already but also using up most of his chakra, he still wouldve defeated base naruto, saying other wise is nonsense.

If we are talking talking base naruto, the only akatsuki he can defeat is hidan

where did you get that he had used up most of his chakra from? he had just used an s-rank combination technique and didn't even seem tired.

the fact is, that with 3 hearts or 5, naruto fooled kakuzu with bunshin twice, and got him with rasenshuriken once (would have been twice were it not for the fact that he was already tired out and had just perfected the jutsu). so the fact that kakuzu is leagues more powerful than base naruto is pretty much irrelevant, because he showed that he has the tools to defeat him. you're ignoring how well naruto uses his clones, he's fooled pretty much everyone with them, including deidara,kakuzu, and nagato several times.

anyway, this thread is about whether or not naruto is jounin level, not how many akatsuki he can beat. And I maintain, with Naruto's level of stamina, his strength and speed, his battle tactics, and his s and a-rank techniques, one would be a fool to say he isn't jounin level.

people assume that by jounin they mean the likes of kakashi,gai,darui etc, those are the very elite. but saying that naruto isn't on a par with say, aoba or genma or ebisu or even neji in base is just flat out biased and ridiculous. you have to be to even be able to attack s-rank criminals without getting wiped out, look what happened to kotetsu and izumo against kakuzu. they didn't even have a chance.

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

where did you get that he had used up most of his chakra from? he had just used an s-rank combination technique and didn't even seem tired.

the fact is, that with 3 hearts or 5, naruto fooled kakuzu with bunshin twice, and got him with rasenshuriken once (would have been twice were it not for the fact that he was already tired out and had just perfected the jutsu). so the fact that kakuzu is leagues more powerful than base naruto is pretty much irrelevant, because he showed that he has the tools to defeat him. you're ignoring how well naruto uses his clones, he's fooled pretty much everyone with them, including deidara,kakuzu, and nagato several times.

anyway, this thread is about whether or not naruto is jounin level, not how many akatsuki he can beat. And I maintain, with Naruto's level of stamina, his strength and speed, his battle tactics, and his s and a-rank techniques, one would be a fool to say he isn't jounin level.

people assume that by jounin they mean the likes of kakashi,gai,darui etc, those are the very elite. but saying that naruto isn't on a par with say, aoba or genma or ebisu or even neji in base is just flat out biased and ridiculous. you have to be to even be able to attack s-rank criminals without getting wiped out, look what happened to kotetsu and izumo against kakuzu. they didn't even have a chance.

Naruto took out Kakuzu 2 hearts in base mode. I would say Naruto in base is a strong Jounin. He has A ranked techniques a large chakra reserve and decent intelligence now...(not as good as Kakashi's). Naruto has RasenShuriken but the problem is he can't throw it in base mode lol which makes his S rank technique a last resort in base.

 

[Baka Sennin]

Naruto took out Kakuzu 2 hearts in base mode. I would say Naruto in base is a strong Jounin. He has A ranked techniques a large chakra reserve and decent intelligence now...(not as good as Kakashi's). Naruto has RasenShuriken but the problem is he can't throw it in base mode lol which makes his S rank technique a last resort in base.

3 hearts, kakuzu's own + 2 masks. but yeah i agree with the rest.

 

[lswhyte123]

Naruto is Jounin Level at Base. Easily.

He managed to beat Kakazu's 2 last hearts in his base mode after a lot of training.

He's a strong Shinobi,even in his base mode.

 

[EveNU]

ge is strong even in base i'm not overrating him just telling the truth :| and yea i agree even in base he could easily be jounin

 

[Turson]

And magically he saves her in base mode

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Of course, his eyes are completely normal so he saved her in base.

What you left out

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and its gone quickly as it comes

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still gone

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he goes back in and right back out

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So the markings leave quickly

Quickly, but not isntantly, so Naruto couldnt save Sakura using SM speed. Live with that.

 

[silmarill]

Well that S- Rank tech makes him loads stronger he took two of kakuzu's hearts in a single blow , unlike kakashi who is a jonin

leave him , hes in denial

 

[black uchiha]

Of course, his eyes are completely normal so he saved her in base.

Quickly, but not isntantly, so Naruto couldnt save Sakura using SM speed. Live with that.

Lol ok I give up....I gave you the links, yet you still choose to believe what you do :sy:. So have fun with that :shrug:

 

[darkholds]

naruto is powerful in base mode than you think .....he can defeat an akatzuki(kakuzo) in base mode..and his kage bunshin technique is far beyond any jonin lvl can do... naruto is in kage level i believe....he is able to master special modes(SM,KM,BM)..proves he is beyond jonin...

naruto is kage level at base mode..

 

[black uchiha]

naruto is powerful in base mode than you think .....he can defeat an akatzuki(kakuzo) in base mode..and his kage bunshin technique is far beyond any jonin lvl can do... naruto is in kage level i believe....he is able to master special modes(SM,KM,BM)..proves he is beyond jonin...

naruto is kage level at base mode..

Lol :sy::flaw::flaw:

 

[Darkakatsuki]

if you want my proof look at this:

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its clearly classed as a jutsu.... is that enough?
o maybe i need to link you to these aswell

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(this can be used on summons and bijuu)

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are these not enough powerful jutsu?
btw sage mode is a parent jutsu so it goes towards base....
destroyed much?:scorps:

After careful consideration of your posts in this thread, I have come to the conclusion that you are definately a troll, that or a rabid Naruto fanboy!

Claiming that sage mode is part of naruto's base abilities is horse shit, does the word 'mode' not register anything in your mind?

And so what if it is registered as a jutsu? I could say the same about the Raikage's raiton armour, but every intellectual on this site knows that when we talk about base raikage speed or strength, we talk about them without their armour, despite it being labeled as a jutsu. Same with Gai's five gates etc etc.

That is why you're a troll for even bringing up such a lame argument, even Pein's animal path noted with his visual prowess that there was a change happening within Jiraiya's body itself when he entered sage mode, how can something like that be considered base.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Naruto in base is a chuunin level who just happens to have an S rank jutsu that damages himself too.

Sasuke in base was jounin level and we saw what he did to Yamato, Naruto, Sai, and Sakura put together when they first met in shippuuden. That's what a jounin level is in base, not Naruto.

Admittedly, with people like Ebisu being labeled as elite jounin by himself and Kakashi, it becomes hard to argue against Naruto's jounin status, because that guy was too weak!

Nevertheless Kakashi said that a person was considered Jounin level in Konoha when they mastered two nature elements, and Naruto has one element, and in that element, just one jutsu.

His speed is FAR below Jounin level, exclusing Ebisu off course. His strength is average, and his ninjutsu is just shadow clone spam and rasengan which never really hits anyone unless kishi uses plot no jutsu for him to do so, like how he hit deva path.

To explain this, not even half a minute before deva path was hit with rasengan, he dodged a rasenshuriken that naruto was hiding behind another rasenshuriken at point blank range without any time to react, and then half a minute later naruto screams he will never give up before throwing himself with a clone and manages to hit Deva? Where is the sense in that? The only way to make sense of it is plot no jutsu!

Just like how Naruto stopped shinra tensei by having shadow clones hold him up, WTF? If someone punches you to the ground and breaks your jaw? Does that mean if you get three people to hold you up and stop you from falling that your jaw won't break even if the guy hits you with the same impact? Off course it will break, the power behind the punch and the impact it makes is the same whether you are held up by your comrades or not, so why was naruto able to survive that jutsu without damage? Plot no jutsu.

Saw some people claim that Naruto was too fast for Sasuke to react when he saved Sakura from him, NOT TRUE! Naruto wasn't too fast for Sasuke to react, Sasuke was TOO BLIND to see Naruto and react just like he was too blind to react to Saskura herself.

Naruto is a chuunin level at best in base, although I suppose that Kage Bunshin spam can help him fight on the level of some Jounins, but definately not s class level. Beating Kakuzu doesn't count, that was the worst case of plot no jutsu in existence!

 

[Itachi Minato]

he is as fast as sasuke in base mode

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see the crack in the middle?? shows they are equal in speed though i dont think naruto is jounin level

 

[LogicRx]

If you rate purely on power Naruto is a low-level Jonin at best except that his chakra reserves outlast everyone in base level except kisame, so I'd say that coupled with his stubbornness and unwillingness to lose/give up, the chakra pool along with everything he can do in base form would make him a solid jonin. I'd also like to point out that naruto is every bit as fast as sasuke in base form ... and the raikage if he doesn't use his raiton ability, so saying he's slow is a bit of an understatement unless you compare him to his father except his father used an ability much like teleportation to be that fast.

If you include everything else like; sage mode, mastering a technique even his father couldn't(possibly the only kage besides hashirama that had a chance at beating madara), mastering sage mode(jaraiya couldn't do this), and his will of fire set him apart from every ninja we know...combine them and he's far above any kage or ninja we've seen and to be honest I want to see them pit naruto against madara because I think we'd see a fight with an ending much like the one we saw when naruto fought neji hyuga, very close fight testing both ninja's but naruto would come out victorious.

So, I would have to say that in Base mode naruto at this time in the series is every bit of a jonin as the most powerful of them...combine them with everything he has at his disposal and his unwillingness to lose makes him a ninja that has no rival. except Hashirama, that also would be a fight I'd love to see:scorps:

 

[sakura fan]

base naruto is jounin level.seriously, you can't compare the present naruto to the one in the beginning of shippuden.

 

[atrain2605]

naruto base power is jonin level, at best.

 

[Vexorian]

base naruto is jounin level.seriously, you can't compare the present naruto to the one in the beginning of shippuden.

Like I said, Aoba-Level Jonin, which is barely worthy of Jonin at all.

 

[Meekz89]

Just by having soo much chakra he is on a Kage Level but some of you are right he really needs a new nature chakra

 

[Wind..]

Of course not

You are a Sasuke Fan Boy troll...

But Base Naruto meaning he can't go into SM, then yes probably high Jounin level, with SM much higher

Naruto in base is a chuunin level who just happens to have an S rank jutsu that damages himself too.

Sasuke in base was jounin level and we saw what he did to Yamato, Naruto, Sai, and Sakura put together when they first met in shippuuden. That's what a jounin level is in base, not Naruto.

Admittedly, with people like Ebisu being labeled as elite jounin by himself and Kakashi, it becomes hard to argue against Naruto's jounin status, because that guy was too weak!

Nevertheless Kakashi said that a person was considered Jounin level in Konoha when they mastered two nature elements, and Naruto has one element, and in that element, just one jutsu.

His speed is FAR below Jounin level, exclusing Ebisu off course. His strength is average, and his ninjutsu is just shadow clone spam and rasengan which never really hits anyone unless kishi uses plot no jutsu for him to do so, like how he hit deva path.

To explain this, not even half a minute before deva path was hit with rasengan, he dodged a rasenshuriken that naruto was hiding behind another rasenshuriken at point blank range without any time to react, and then half a minute later naruto screams he will never give up before throwing himself with a clone and manages to hit Deva? Where is the sense in that? The only way to make sense of it is plot no jutsu!

Just like how Naruto stopped shinra tensei by having shadow clones hold him up, WTF? If someone punches you to the ground and breaks your jaw? Does that mean if you get three people to hold you up and stop you from falling that your jaw won't break even if the guy hits you with the same impact? Off course it will break, the power behind the punch and the impact it makes is the same whether you are held up by your comrades or not, so why was naruto able to survive that jutsu without damage? Plot no jutsu.

Saw some people claim that Naruto was too fast for Sasuke to react when he saved Sakura from him, NOT TRUE! Naruto wasn't too fast for Sasuke to react, Sasuke was TOO BLIND to see Naruto and react just like he was too blind to react to Saskura herself.

Naruto is a chuunin level at best in base, although I suppose that Kage Bunshin spam can help him fight on the level of some Jounins, but definately not s class level. Beating Kakuzu doesn't count, that was the worst case of plot no jutsu in existence!

He can first of all out last any Jounin out there, he has so much chakra that he could last 20 times longer than anyone else, plus you are saying Sasuke took them on, but that wasn't base Sasuke, base Sasuke is no Sharingan like Naruto can't use his Bijuu or Sage Mode.

RasenShuriken is very hard to dodge because it can be held for as long as he wants and it expands.

Kakazu wasn't something that can be thrown aside because Hidan who was much worse than him took out Asuma who was quite strong and a Jounin, and Kakazu also was fighting Naruto when he had just learned RasenShuriken, so if he was fighting him after he had mastered it, he would have hit him the first time. And is there a single Chuunin who could stand a chance against Naruto? No... Sasuke and him have always been equals, even in base mode as Naruto would have beat Sasuke's chidori if he wasn't aiming for his Headband. Also lets take Neji or Temari, could either of them beat Naruto? Nope. There is a lot of proof that he is high level Jounin level in base, just like Orochimaru, Jiraiya, and Tsunade would be Jounin in base mode. Without his snake transformation stuff, sage mode, and regeneration stuff.

 

[Masenko]

looking at the kakuzu fight,kakahi "the jounin",just ran around and used sub jutsu on the onther hand,naruto "the genin", killed the him. choji and ino are a shame to the chunin name