Base Naruto Jonin lvl ??

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How can you explain something to an idiot.I already provide fact on why Asuma Sarutobi is better than Base Naruto.Asuma out ranks Base Naruto in every single category except Stamina(Chakra).Stop asking the same dumb question when it has already been answer.Asuma Sarutobi>>>>>Base Naruto.

The facts are the facts.You can argue against the Databooks and Feats.
Base naruto would beat asuma he is a great strategest and has stamina along with clones which is enough you forget it only take a rasengan to beat most ninja
 

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Base Naruto is a Chunin, IMO.

Rasengan is too direct, can be easily dodged.

Since he can't throw Rasenshuriken in Base.. yet, It's kind of a double-edged sword.

Now, he does have Shadow Clones. Which he uses in a unique way.



Vs. a Sharingan user, Rinnegan user, or any Akatsuki Level person, he wouldn't be able to hold his own. He would need Kurama or Sage Mode.
 

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You dont even know how SM Naruto looks like? That was base Naruto who saved Sakura, his eyes were normal, and there were no traces of SM markings.
As I have said earlier, he could have ended sage mode as soon as he saved sakura.

Pfttt... I can give you a shitload of situations were Naruto actually outsmarted his opponents, that werent stupid eaither. Zabuza, Neji, Pain you chose.
In Neji's defense, he had to use Kurama's chakra to win in the end, which means that naruto wasn't in base mode when he won. Technically, when naruto was in base mode, his clever plans were overcome and he lost to Neji's 64 palms technique, so therefore that battle cannot be included in this discussion.


You are using that out dated Databook stats?
Naruto definietly isnt slower than Asuma -> ,

His Taijutsu also isnt inferior. -> ,

Same can be said about Ninjutsu. ->
That was shadow clone with no SM or KM. Any questions?
As per the speed, Asuma could have easily done that himself like so many other ninja could with shunshin jutsu. The same could be said with the taijutsu. The databooks are actually a good representation of his base mode. If it went farther than that and included sage mode, KM, or BM, then he would have 5's in nearly all areas.


No no, its just that you are not paying enough attention while reading manga, or are just biased.
That could also be applied to you as well.
 
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As I have said earlier, he could have ended sage mode as soon as he saved sakura.



In Neji's defense, he had to use Kurama's chakra to win in the end, which means that naruto wasn't in base mode when he won. Technically, when naruto was in base mode, his clever plans were overcome and he lost to Neji's 64 palms technique, so therefore that battle cannot be included in this discussion.




As per the speed, Asuma could have easily done that himself like so many other ninja could with shunshin jutsu. The same could be said with the taijutsu. The databooks are actually a good representation of his base mode. If it went farther than that and included sage mode, KM, or BM, then he would have 5's in nearly all areas.




That could also be applied to you as well.
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Hey guys i Totally disagree !

if you are talking about his base mode the most powerful power he has in base mode is strength ! dont you remember the fight with zabuza ? he not actually beats him off but disable him ! and forgotten the fight with kabuto ? or the ink ninja where kabuto was not able to fight with them but he was ? while if we take every one base mode they are nothing ! like sasuky with out sharingin is nothing ! madara as well ! but these power actually there base so formation of sumthing is really their base ! like if we blind madara he is nothing ! so as if we take out kyubi he might become lesspower full ! and if blinding madara is not easy then so taking out kyubu ! and esp inside from NARUTO ! is likly to say Take care XD
 

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As I have said earlier, he could have ended sage mode as soon as he saved sakura.
He couldnt, becuase SM markings dosnt dissappear right away. Naruto saved Sakura in base form.
The databooks are actually a good representation of his base mode.
It isnt since its outdated, it was released in 2008.
I already provide fact on why Asuma Sarutobi is better than Base Naruto.Asuma out ranks Base Naruto in every single category except Stamina(Chakra).
Naruto definietly isnt slower than Asuma -> ,

His Taijutsu also isnt inferior. -> ,

Same can be said about Ninjutsu. ->
That was shadow clone with no SM or KM. Any questions?
Asuma Sarutobi>>>>>Base Naruto.
Not really.
You can argue against the Databooks and Feats.
Databook is outdated and actually Im basing my opinion only on feats. I gave links, didnt I?
 

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Because he cannot use two natures, although he is more powerful than most jonin, he could only be a special jonin. But I don't think we can talk about kages because each one (except for as far as we know the 3rd) has had some natural talent going for them, and kurama I think can be counted as a natural ability even though it truly isn't. I personally believe that base naruto could take on and at least challenge if not beat tsunade.
 

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Because he cannot use two natures, although he is more powerful than most jonin, he could only be a special jonin.
Kakashi said that most Jounins have mastered at least two chakra natures, not that they have to. Gai dont have any chakra nature mastered and yet hes Jounin.
 

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are people still seriously still debating this. Kakashi blatantly said Naruto was the very least on par with him.

"I wonder if he's already surpassed me"
In Storm 2: "He's practically surpassed me"
In the viz translation: "He's surpassed me"
Get the hint kishi's telling you?
 

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He couldnt, becuase SM markings dosnt dissappear right away. Naruto saved Sakura in base form.

It isnt since its outdated, it was released in 2008.

Naruto definietly isnt slower than Asuma -> ,

His Taijutsu also isnt inferior. -> ,

Same can be said about Ninjutsu. ->
That was shadow clone with no SM or KM. Any questions?

Not really.

Databook is outdated and actually Im basing my opinion only on feats. I gave links, didnt I?
Again with the same links lol

He was in sage mode before he got to sakura and it faded as he got there. But asuma has shown the same feat as he saved shikamaru from the 9 sound ninja look up the link your self of I will post it later

He used a clone to catch the sword thats not a testament to his tai skills and they weren't trying to kill them ("Don't cut them") so that point/link is pointless

But again think what you will....IMO he is not
 

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What do you guys think ? i think he is jonin level , he has a large arsenal of techniques ( powerful too ) he has a decent speed , he's intelligent ( But we are only talking in base mode )What do you guys think ? :shrug:
Does he still even fight to the fullest in base mode? Most of his fights during the ongoing war, he was on KM or SM so I cant really tell, maybe base Naruto is if he's in KM then he's on another level greater than Jounin. I'll guess uhmm, So6P level. Haha.
 

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Again with the same links lol

He was in sage mode before he got to sakura and it faded as he got there. But asuma has shown the same feat as he saved shikamaru from the 9 sound ninja look up the link your self of I will post it later

He used a clone to catch the sword thats not a testament to his tai skills and they weren't trying to kill them ("Don't cut them") so that point/link is pointless

But again think what you will....IMO he is not
your a hater haha xd
 

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He was in sage mode before he got to sakura and it faded as he got there.
Therefore, he saved Sakura in base mode, not in SM.
He used a clone to catch the sword thats not a testament to his tai skills and they weren't trying to kill them ("Don't cut them") so that point/link is pointless
Making clone in a blink of an eye and catching sword without hurting himself? Jounin level skill. Even Karui was very impressed.
But again think what you will....IMO he is not
If base Naruto isnt Jounin level shinobi, then Asuma also isnt, since he isnt stronger at all.
 
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