Base Jiraiya vs Hebi Sasuke

[Unorthodox]

Summonings won't really change the fight, Jman can use dark swamp like he did in part 1 to Oro's summons.

Kirin is what will give Hebi Sasuke the victory though.


Hebi Sasuke extremely high difficulty.

Sasuke stomps wins in every aspect of this fight the swamp couldnt even put down fodder snakes

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Sasuke ration counters it plus manda is to much for that tech to do a thing he shed its skin comes rite out of its mouth sasuke wins low diff

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Manda survives it like he did then eats bunta or sasuke puts bunta under a genjutsu

 

[shelke]

@shelke
I am pretty sure jiriaya's katons have a larger AOE. Not that it matters since sasuke can simply use aoda/manda to tank it. Or use his hawk to evade it.

I am not taking about the one with Bunta. I am talking about Base Katon attacks. Manda canonically tanked that one easily.

 

[End of Days]

Sasuke cuts out of there with chidori sharp spear or uses chidori nagashi to paralyse Jiraiya if he uses his hair to strike Sasuke.

Iwagama isnt like orochimaru's door, while a wooden door is a static, unchanging object, the flesh of iwagama is constantly changing according to Jiraiya's will [

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If a cut is made it will change itself and cover the cut with more flesh like how it absorbed sasuke [

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i thought hair is an insulator of electricity, chidori nagashi isnt working

 

[A v i]

Jman wins this.

 

[makosheva7]

Scenario I:

Since summonings are restricted I'd say Sasuke wins high-diff just because he's faster.

But if there are shadows being made by the Sun (it's a sunny day at this location) then I think Jiraiya can survive long enough using Needle Jizo to use his Shadow Manipulation Technique at short range (assuming Sasuke is trying to get through his Needle Jizo with a Chidori) and momentarily confused Jiraiya can use a whole slew of Jutsu to defeat Sasuke so mid-diff Jiraiya.

So on average this scenario goes Jiraiya's way high-diff

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Scenario II:

If Hebi Sasuke had complete control and respect of Manda then I'd say this goes in Sasuke's favor but I don't think he does, which means Hebi Sasuke would have to use genjutsu on Manda to control him which uses chakra by itself. Having plenty of toad summons in his arsenal that are loyal to him, Jiraiya doesn't have to expend chakra whilst their already summoned (does expend chakra by summoning). If Jiraiya can summon Gamabunta and at least two more giant toads and I can see them dealing with a controlled Manda (plus I feel Jiraiya at this point has had plenty of experience with Oro's snake, and Oro has mastered using them so I think he'll be able to handle a less experienced "snake-wielder" if you will).

In terms of Kirin on such a sunny cloudless day there's no way Sasuke would even be able to use it, as without clouds he wouldn't be able to heat them up to create lightning (feel free to tell me if this point is way off base).

If he IS able to use Kirin I don't see Jiraiya surviving as he doesn't have a good enough defense to deal with that much power, so Hebi Sasuke high diff in that case.

In this scenario Jiraiya can also use Toad Mouth Bind to catch Sasuke, and where Sasuke would have no way of escaping because at this point he didn't have Amaterasu.

So in this scenario on average Jiraiya high-diff, and that's being generous to Sasukes resilience.

P.S. Saying Hebi Sasuke can take down SM Jiraiya is pretty bogus IMO.... he can just use demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant (sound genjutsu > visual genjutsu) .. so SM Jiraiya low-diff (plus he's got a rasengan that can level a mountain)

 

[Beans2]

Scenario I:

Since summonings are restricted I'd say Sasuke wins high-diff just because he's faster.

But if there are shadows being made by the Sun (it's a sunny day at this location) then I think Jiraiya can survive long enough using Needle Jizo to use his Shadow Manipulation Technique at short range (assuming Sasuke is trying to get through his Needle Jizo with a Chidori) and momentarily confused Jiraiya can use a whole slew of Jutsu to defeat Sasuke so mid-diff Jiraiya.

So on average this scenario goes Jiraiya's way high-diff

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Scenario II:

If Hebi Sasuke had complete control and respect of Manda then I'd say this goes in Sasuke's favor but I don't think he does, which means Hebi Sasuke would have to use genjutsu on Manda to control him which uses chakra by itself. Having plenty of toad summons in his arsenal that are loyal to him, Jiraiya doesn't have to expend chakra whilst their already summoned (does expend chakra by summoning). If Jiraiya can summon Gamabunta and at least two more giant toads and I can see them dealing with a controlled Manda (plus I feel Jiraiya at this point has had plenty of experience with Oro's snake, and Oro has mastered using them so I think he'll be able to handle a less experienced "snake-wielder" if you will).

In terms of Kirin on such a sunny cloudless day there's no way Sasuke would even be able to use it, as without clouds he wouldn't be able to heat them up to create lightning (feel free to tell me if this point is way off base).

If he IS able to use Kirin I don't see Jiraiya surviving as he doesn't have a good enough defense to deal with that much power, so Hebi Sasuke high diff in that case.

In this scenario Jiraiya can also use Toad Mouth Bind to catch Sasuke, and where Sasuke would have no way of escaping because at this point he didn't have Amaterasu.

So in this scenario on average Jiraiya high-diff, and that's being generous to Sasukes resilience.

P.S. Saying Hebi Sasuke can take down SM Jiraiya is pretty bogus IMO.... he can just use demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant (sound genjutsu > visual genjutsu) .. so SM Jiraiya low-diff (plus he's got a rasengan that can level a mountain)

Wow, excellent points dude. +rep. Only innacuracy I spotted is that in Scenario 2 setting up Kirin would not be a huge problem for Sasuke since both he and Jiraiya use massive katons on a high level, so with that amount of heat being released into the air, it should set the conditions for a thunderstorm.

 

[makosheva7]

Wow, excellent points dude. +rep. Only innacuracy I spotted is that in Scenario 2 setting up Kirin would not be a huge problem for Sasuke since both he and Jiraiya use massive katons on a high level, so with that amount of heat being released into the air, it should set the conditions for a thunderstorm.

thanks man, I appreciate it. To your comment about Kirin, even though Sasuke and Jiraiya's katons will set the conditions for a thunderstorm by raising the temperature of the atmosphere above them, if there are no clouds anywhere relatively close for friction to create lightning in the first place, there is no way lightning can be created (no clouds -> no friction -> no lightning) and even if it was created in some far off cloud, I doubt Sasuke would be able to control the lightning from that far off.

If I'm wrong and there were some "clouds" in the sky at this location then you're absolutely right.

 

[RicardoA]

Sasuke cuts out of there with chidori sharp spear or uses chidori nagashi to paralyse Jiraiya if he uses his hair to strike Sasuke.

that tech will be useless af outside sasuke dodges then speedblitz

You guys could've just said summonings are restricted because what i mentioned belongs in that category (my bad).
OT: I noticed you added a scenario 2. That one Jiraiya wins for sure.

 

[Unorthodox]

You guys could've just said summonings are restricted because what i mentioned belongs in that category (my bad).
OT: I noticed you added a scenario 2. That one Jiraiya wins for sure.

please sasuke stomps both

he way to fast for jiraiya to keep up let alone try not to get caught in a genjutsu any form of his ration>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>needle jizzo

 

[DaileyM]

Sasuke wins the first and Jiraiya the second.

 

[Haizaki]

please sasuke stomps both

he way to fast for jiraiya to keep up let alone try not to get caught in a genjutsu any form of his ration>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>needle jizzo

Sasuke isn't stomping Jman

 

[makosheva7]

please sasuke stomps both

he way to fast for jiraiya to keep up let alone try not to get caught in a genjutsu any form of his ration>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>needle jizzo

While I agree that a Chidori could penetrate the Needle Jizo, I disagree that anything less from Sasuke's arsenal could. Read my post.

 

[RicardoA]

please sasuke stomps both

he way to fast for jiraiya to keep up let alone try not to get caught in a genjutsu any form of his ration>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>needle jizzo

You're talking like he's on Ay, Minato, Tobirama, Gated Gai/Lee or KCM Naruto's level.
Speed determines who wins a race, not a battle. It took the 6 paths together to overwhelm Jiraiya. The same amount of firepower that manhandled the strongest village in existance.
Jiraiya's sensing barrier should be more than enough to avoid any surprise coming at him.

 

[Brooks]

This fight would be useless(in Jiraiya's case) seeing as how Sasuke can see through Jiraiya techniques before even at attempts to use on his opponent(Sasuke)​

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Of course, this is the many ways Sasuke can counter Jiraiya's techniques.​

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Sasuke win this, mid to high diff.

 

[eagle8]

Jiraiya wins

 

[Unorthodox]

While I agree that a Chidori could penetrate the Needle Jizo, I disagree that anything less from Sasuke's arsenal could. Read my post.

katon roast him aswell does sasuke need anything else in battle besides his ration

You're talking like he's on Ay, Minato, Tobirama, Gated Gai/Lee or KCM Naruto's level.
Speed determines who wins a race, not a battle. It took the 6 paths together to overwhelm Jiraiya. The same amount of firepower that manhandled the strongest village in existance.
Jiraiya's sensing barrier should be more than enough to avoid any surprise coming at him.

pain has sheer powe also deva path could have shitted on jiraiya. and sasuke > pain speedwise jiraiya loses here sasuke is to much chidori spear would chop him into