Base Hashirama vs Choji/Oro/Shika/Kisame/Shino/Torune/Jirobo/Ino/Tsunade/Neji/Yamato

[Pragmatic]

Hashirama can still use other large scaled Mokuton technique apart from Flower Tree World.

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And a bunch of other large scale Mokuton techniques, tendrils, etc. Plus a bunch of Mokuton Bunshins with the original's Jutsu, like the Bringer of Darkness.

Hashirama should win this.

As Strict said, he still has access to Mokuton Clones, Mokujin, (Which was clashing with PS) and Mokuton Hotei no Jutsu (Hands that are the size of 100% Kurama) and Mokuton Hobi, which was able to tank a Bijuu Dama from Full Kurama with little damage.

Out of all the people who are listed on Team 2, the only ones who are even Kage leveled are Kisame, Orochimaru, and Tsunade, and they are no match for Hashirama even when together, adding weaklings isn't going to change this.

-Bringer of Darkness still blocks their vision as they don't have a Sharingan to see right through it.

-They don't have the defensive power to block Mokuton Hotei, or Jukai Kotan or prevent Mokujin from defeating them, and they don't have the offensive power to defeat it, or overpower Hotei and Jukai Kotan. Lets not forget that most of their offensive attacks can be tanked with Hobi, no damage at all.

1 Jukai Kotan would mow down about most of this team, let alone Hashirama making Mokuton clones, who can use all of his original jutsu. 1 use of Hotei would create 5 Bijuu sized hands that would utterly crush anyone in Team 2...how are they stopping this? Especially when all this can be done during Bringer of Darkness...

Mokuton clones can

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and then impale the blind targets with Mokuton,

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Hashirama cleans up mid difficulty, Team 2 winning this isn't happening. Not a chance.



....Why must you troll so hard? Kisame would get steamrolled by Hashirama.

In a nutshell the only one who stands a chance against lord morning wood is madara

 

[KingHashirama]

Doesn't change manga facts.

And as I said. Even if he gets hit he has multiple ways to keep himself alive. But that's a big if.

Mokuton restrains him = no edo tensei today son.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Mokuton restrains him = no edo tensei today son.

At this range? With tsunade there? Lol.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

As Strict said, he still has access to Mokuton Clones, Mokujin, (Which was clashing with PS) and Mokuton Hotei no Jutsu (Hands that are the size of 100% Kurama) and Mokuton Hobi, which was able to tank a Bijuu Dama from Full Kurama with little damage.

Out of all the people who are listed on Team 2, the only ones who are even Kage leveled are Kisame, Orochimaru, and Tsunade, and they are no match for Hashirama even when together, adding weaklings isn't going to change this.

-Bringer of Darkness still blocks their vision as they don't have a Sharingan to see right through it.

-They don't have the defensive power to block Mokuton Hotei, or Jukai Kotan or prevent Mokujin from defeating them, and they don't have the offensive power to defeat it, or overpower Hotei and Jukai Kotan. Lets not forget that most of their offensive attacks can be tanked with Hobi, no damage at all.

1 Jukai Kotan would mow down about most of this team, let alone Hashirama making Mokuton clones, who can use all of his original jutsu. 1 use of Hotei would create 5 Bijuu sized hands that would utterly crush anyone in Team 2...how are they stopping this? Especially when all this can be done during Bringer of Darkness...

Mokuton clones can

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and then impale the blind targets with Mokuton,

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.

Hashirama cleans up mid difficulty, Team 2 winning this isn't happening. Not a chance.



....Why must you troll so hard? Kisame would get steamrolled by Hashirama.

This is a load of BS, you guys like to wank hashirama too much. These guys will mow hashirama down sooner than later although I do agree that he beats them with shinshusenju. And I never troll mind you, the person who trolls is you.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is a load of BS, you guys like to wank hashirama too much. These guys will mow hashirama down sooner than later although I do agree that he beats them with shinshusenju. And I never troll mind you, the person who trolls is you.

-Claims it's a load of BS.

-No counter.

Kindly do me a favor and stfu if you have nothing useful to say. I've long stopped taking you seriously.

 

[AGoodBoy]

As Strict said, he still has access to Mokuton Clones, Mokujin, (Which was clashing with PS) and Mokuton Hotei no Jutsu (Hands that are the size of 100% Kurama) and Mokuton Hobi, which was able to tank a Bijuu Dama from Full Kurama with little damage.

Out of all the people who are listed on Team 2, the only ones who are even Kage leveled are Kisame, Orochimaru, and Tsunade, and they are no match for Hashirama even when together, adding weaklings isn't going to change this.

-Bringer of Darkness still blocks their vision as they don't have a Sharingan to see right through it.

-They don't have the defensive power to block Mokuton Hotei, or Jukai Kotan or prevent Mokujin from defeating them, and they don't have the offensive power to defeat it, or overpower Hotei and Jukai Kotan. Lets not forget that most of their offensive attacks can be tanked with Hobi, no damage at all.

1 Jukai Kotan would mow down about most of this team, let alone Hashirama making Mokuton clones, who can use all of his original jutsu. 1 use of Hotei would create 5 Bijuu sized hands that would utterly crush anyone in Team 2...how are they stopping this? Especially when all this can be done during Bringer of Darkness...

Mokuton clones can

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and then impale the blind targets with Mokuton,

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.

Hashirama cleans up mid difficulty, Team 2 winning this isn't happening. Not a chance.



....Why must you troll so hard? Kisame would get steamrolled by Hashirama.

Those hands are pretty useless. They're not meant for small targets. They'd only be useful against summonings.

Everything else you employed doesn't state how hashi kills orochimaru, tsunade or kisame. Thinking hashirama, in this condition stands a chance against those 3 is a bit delusional. Let's not forget orochimaru also employs genjutsu. So before hashirama even begins BoD, he'd probably be duking it out with orochimaru's genjutsu - genjutsu oro starts his fights off with.

I don't see how you believe hashirama stands a remote chance without his mokuton arsenal.

BTw, Jukai katon -- deep forest emergence -- is off limits in this thread. OP said "No forest jutsu". He's referring to all those jutsu which create trees, basically all hashi's really destructive jutsu. All he has left now is yamato level jutsu. That won't cut it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Those hands are pretty useless. They're not meant for small targets. They'd only be useful against summonings.

Everything else you employed doesn't state how hashi kills orochimaru, tsunade or kisame. Thinking hashirama, in this condition stands a chance against those 3 is a bit delusional. Let's not forget orochimaru also employs genjutsu. So before hashirama even begins BoD, he'd probably be duking it out with orochimaru's genjutsu - genjutsu oro starts his fights off with.

I don't see how you believe hashirama stands a remote chance without his mokuton arsenal.

BTw, Jukai katon -- deep forest emergence -- is off limits in this thread. OP said "No forest jutsu". He's referring to all those jutsu which create trees, basically all hashi's really destructive jutsu. All he has left now is yamato level jutsu. That won't cut it.

Mokujin, Mokuryu, Hotei and Hobi are all Yamato leveled jutsu? :|

-Orochimaru does not possess any kind of Genjutsu in manga canon, I checked his moveset on the wiki and it only had some fodder Genjutsu binding, which is definitely Anime only. lol, if you think any Genjutsu this guy has is going to hold Hashirama for more than a few seconds.

-They most definitely are not for just fighting against summonings. Them being huge doesn't mean they can't hit smaller targets, their size is adjustable as shown in

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, and they can be made in a more defined shape, and they can pop up from anywhere on the battlefield, if anything their huge size makes it harder to evade and makes it easier to crush them.

-They'd practically be fighting blind under BOD (Making it easier for Hotei to hit them), and they aren't taking out a construct that was taking on Madara's Perfect Susanoo (Mokujin) not a chance. It'd turn each and every one of these 3 into nothing but smears on the ground.

How do they even finish him off while surviving his onslaught at the same time?

-He can tank a Bijuu Dama with Hobi, all of their offenses are worthless.

-He can clash with Perfect Susanoo with Mokujin.....their defenses are worthless.

-He can physically restrain Kurama, who busted out of CT at less than half power, with Mokuryu....how in the world do they win this fight?

Lets not even forget he has full intel and they have no intel. I don't believe he doesn't stand a chance without his Mokuton arsenal, but he still has some of the best pieces of his Mokuton arsenal so I have no clue what you are talking about. This team isn't winning let alone these 3 alone.

With ET Team 2 obviously wins, but without...not a chance.

 

[KingHashirama]

At this range? With tsunade there? Lol.

And you believe Tsunade can do anything about it? .

I

 

[AGoodBoy]

Mokujin, Mokuryu, Hotei and Hobi are all Yamato leveled jutsu? :|

-Orochimaru does not possess any kind of Genjutsu in manga canon, I checked his moveset on the wiki and it only had some fodder Genjutsu binding, which is definitely Anime only. lol, if you think any Genjutsu this guy has is going to hold Hashirama for more than a few seconds.

-They most definitely are not for just fighting against summonings. Them being huge doesn't mean they can't hit smaller targets, their size is adjustable as shown in

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, and they can be made in a more defined shape, and they can pop up from anywhere on the battlefield, if anything their huge size makes it harder to evade and makes it easier to crush them.

-They'd practically be fighting blind under BOD (Making it easier for Hotei to hit them), and they aren't taking out a construct that was taking on Madara's Perfect Susanoo (Mokujin) not a chance. It'd turn each and every one of these 3 into nothing but smears on the ground.

How do they even finish him off while surviving his onslaught at the same time?

-He can tank a Bijuu Dama with Hobi, all of their offenses are worthless.

-He can clash with Perfect Susanoo with Mokujin.....their defenses are worthless.

-He can physically restrain Kurama, who busted out of CT at less than half power, with Mokuryu....how in the world do they win this fight?

Lets not even forget he has full intel and they have no intel. I don't believe he doesn't stand a chance without his Mokuton arsenal, but he still has some of the best pieces of his Mokuton arsenal so I have no clue what you are talking about. This team isn't winning let alone these 3 alone.

With ET Team 2 obviously wins, but without...not a chance.

First of all, Let me start by saying; I'm not japanese, asian or north eastern, nor are we speaking in any dialect other than English. Could you please try to use the english terms for these jutsu? I hardly have a clue what you're talking about till I have to find the english names for the jutsu... No offence or anything...

With that said, I believe I stated that hashirama is left with yamato level jutsu? As in, because of restrictions? Anyway, Wood dragon and wood god are restricted. Wood dragon for obvious reasons( stated in OP ), wood human because it's always been created with a wood dragon wrapped around it's arm... A wood dragon which is restricted, thereby restricting it.

- I forgive you, then, since you're using wikia. Orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu, which is the highest levels of genjutsu use. Not even kakashi, who broke obito's genjutsu, has a 5. What i'm saying is that, just because orochimaru got caught by the greatest genjutsu user in the show ( he was surprised that was even possible I might add, further exemplifying his genjutsu prowess) doesn't mean his genjutsu skills aren't top tier. Anyway, this is an instance of orichumaru using genjutsu[

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i. Take note that the last person to get this deep into naruto's head, when he was about to tap into the kyuubi's chakra, suppressed the kyuubi's power solely because of his magic eyes (Sasuke). Hashirama really has no genjutsu background, so we don't even know how well he deals with it. Fighting madara really doesn't boost this as madara isn't big on genjutsu usage, nor is basic sharingan genjutsu impossible to break. I'd finally like to state that the information on BoD is quite limited, all we know is that it casts perpetual darkness; Considering Orochimaru stated "the darkness faded" when hiruzen sealed edo hashi and tobi, we don't even know how far that darkness extends, and whether it extends to hashi also and he has to traverse through it with his sensing abilities.

-Well, the smaller you make them, the easier they are to thwart by

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. The larger they are, the easier they are to spot and avoid, or maneuver. Really, I can give you a whole bunch of scans of people fighting massive summonings( synonymous with fighting those hands at kyuubi sizes) and avoiding the attacks. This all assumes that these hands can even swat the floor, however, seeing as their wrists originate from the ground, making their levels of movement somewhat restricted.

-Like I said, we don't know how far that darkness extends( if hashi is affected) or how long it's range is, along with the fact that hiruzen seemed to be doing pretty well in it. Furthermore, Snakes posses all their sensor capabilities( I can go run to those Kabuto scans where sasuke explains the snakes could detect their presence through heat and what not), giving a viable defence for BoD through the use of summoned snakes or shadow snake sleeves(refer to scan in previous paragraph). We also don't know how long BoD lasts. Considering it didn't seem to be a big factor in hashi's battle with madara, I don't think BoD is that big a deal. Last thing, you said they can't take it out; Orochimaru snapped shinju like a twig, which is made of mokuton like hashi's jutsu, so i can't take your word for it. By that feat alone, Tsunade should be able to smash those hands once she reaches close enough.

Because it's not an onslaught? Orochimaru's snakes posses sensing, along with orochimaru possessing a may fly variant - shown in part 1 before even acquiring zetsu cells - and hiding like a mole technique. Then we have edo minato and edo tobirama's sensing and edo hiruzen's whatever. For that matter, edo Minato could solo this by suiciding with hashi by using RDS. As stated by the manga, you can't see RDS until your soul is being plucked out, so hashi would have no idea wtf was going on. Then, we have shino's bugs which follow chakra, Samehade which follows chakra, neji who sees chakra through objects, and yamato who can also uses mokuton and mokuton traversal. Hashirama literally can't run nor can he hide.

- Yamato and orochimaru can bypass hobi by roaming through his mokuton. Minato and tobirama can FTG their way through if he's tagged. Kisame can throw up Waterdome around it and follow hashirama's chakra - either he drops the jutsu and drowns, or keeps it up and run out of chakra. I would say tsunade could punch her way through since the force from her punches are applied over a smaller area than a tbb, but meh, I won't go there.

- Triple rashomon. Hashi's rashoumon stopped PS-Dama, so hashirama's offensives are now worthless because of his own jutsu. Oh, and that's the mokujin which is also restricted. Just saying.

- Mokuryu is restricted so I don't need to really defend against it TBH.

- Other way around. Hashi has no intel, they have full.

With ET, they stomp. Without, Orochimaru could take this on his own. His shadow sleeve snakes already showed feats great enough to combat the wood hands( which is his only large sized offence in this fight). Really, there is no conceivable way for hashirama to win this. Shino's bugs alone would relentlessly torture him and try to drain his chakra while he sat on a massive ocean of water. He wouldn't even be able to see the ground.

 

[KidGamer65]

First of all, Let me start by saying; I'm not japanese, asian or north eastern, nor are we speaking in any dialect other than English. Could you please try to use the english terms for these jutsu? I hardly have a clue what you're talking about till I have to find the english names for the jutsu... No offence or anything...

I don't really know the English names for the jutsu, I read them in the manga and ended up memorizing them. I know Wood Dragon and Wood Human, but thats about it.

With that said, I believe I stated that hashirama is left with yamato level jutsu? As in, because of restrictions? Anyway, Wood dragon and wood god are restricted. Wood dragon for obvious reasons( stated in OP ), wood human because it's always been created with a wood dragon wrapped around it's arm... A wood dragon which is restricted, thereby restricting it.

I figure that he can just create Mokujin without Mokuryu on it (Didn't see that Mokuryu restricted pre edit) but if he can't, then I guess he loses this.

- I forgive you, then, since you're using wikia. Orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu, which is the highest levels of genjutsu use. Not even kakashi, who broke obito's genjutsu, has a 5. What i'm saying is that, just because orochimaru got caught by the greatest genjutsu user in the show ( he was surprised that was even possible I might add, further exemplifying his genjutsu prowess) doesn't mean his genjutsu skills aren't top tier. Anyway, this is an instance of orichumaru using genjutsu[

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][

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][

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]. It's the best example you'll see in the manga. Another good example was

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i. Take note that the last person to get this deep into naruto's head, when he was about to tap into the kyuubi's chakra, suppressed the kyuubi's power solely because of his magic eyes (Sasuke). Hashirama really has no genjutsu background, so we don't even know how well he deals with it. Fighting madara really doesn't boost this as madara isn't big on genjutsu usage, nor is basic sharingan genjutsu impossible to break. I'd finally like to state that the information on BoD is quite limited, all we know is that it casts perpetual darkness; Considering Orochimaru stated "the darkness faded" when hiruzen sealed edo hashi and tobi, we don't even know how far that darkness extends, and whether it extends to hashi also and he has to traverse through it with his sensing abilities.


-Well, the smaller you make them, the easier they are to thwart by

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. The larger they are, the easier they are to spot and avoid, or maneuver. Really, I can give you a whole bunch of scans of people fighting massive summonings( synonymous with fighting those hands at kyuubi sizes) and avoiding the attacks. This all assumes that these hands can even swat the floor, however, seeing as their wrists originate from the ground, making their levels of movement somewhat restricted.

-Like I said, we don't know how far that darkness extends( if hashi is affected) or how long it's range is, along with the fact that hiruzen seemed to be doing pretty well in it. Furthermore, Snakes posses all their sensor capabilities( I can go run to those Kabuto scans where sasuke explains the snakes could detect their presence through heat and what not), giving a viable defence for BoD through the use of summoned snakes or shadow snake sleeves(refer to scan in previous paragraph). We also don't know how long BoD lasts. Considering it didn't seem to be a big factor in hashi's battle with madara, I don't think BoD is that big a deal. Last thing, you said they can't take it out; Orochimaru snapped shinju like a twig, which is made of mokuton like hashi's jutsu, so i can't take your word for it. By that feat alone, Tsunade should be able to smash those hands once she reaches close enough.

Because it's not an onslaught? Orochimaru's snakes posses sensing, along with orochimaru possessing a may fly variant - shown in part 1 before even acquiring zetsu cells - and hiding like a mole technique. Then we have edo minato and edo tobirama's sensing and edo hiruzen's whatever. For that matter, edo Minato could solo this by suiciding with hashi by using RDS. As stated by the manga, you can't see RDS until your soul is being plucked out, so hashi would have no idea wtf was going on. Then, we have shino's bugs which follow chakra, Samehade which follows chakra, neji who sees chakra through objects, and yamato who can also uses mokuton and mokuton traversal. Hashirama literally can't run nor can he hide.

- Yamato and orochimaru can bypass hobi by roaming through his mokuton. Minato and tobirama can FTG their way through if he's tagged. Kisame can throw up Waterdome around it and follow hashirama's chakra - either he drops the jutsu and drowns, or keeps it up and run out of chakra. I would say tsunade could punch her way through since the force from her punches are applied over a smaller area than a tbb, but meh, I won't go there.

- Triple rashomon. Hashi's rashoumon stopped PS-Dama, so hashirama's offensives are now worthless because of his own jutsu. Oh, and that's the mokujin which is also restricted. Just saying.

- Mokuryu is restricted so I don't need to really defend against it TBH.

- Other way around. Hashi has no intel, they have full.

With ET, they stomp. Without, Orochimaru could take this on his own. His shadow sleeve snakes already showed feats great enough to combat the wood hands( which is his only large sized offence in this fight). Really, there is no conceivable way for hashirama to win this. Shino's bugs alone would relentlessly torture him and try to drain his chakra while he sat on a massive ocean of water. He wouldn't even be able to see the ground.

I see no need to reply to the rest of this because:

1. My post clearly didn't take ET into account.
2. Didn't even see that Mokuryu was restricted, and by extension, Mokujin. Nor did I see the intel change by OP (At first Hashirama had full and the others had none)
3. With the restrictions he loses.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Hashirama if he cis allowed to make clones and others if he is not

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And you believe Tsunade can do anything about it? .

I

Yeah. She'll take the wood off him. Then he slaps his hands together. Pulls out the edo hokage. And proceed to rape.

 

[SnakeSkinBlade]

Just noticed Jirobo is on team 2 lol. Either way, team 2 mid difficulty, Orochimaru's reanimation and Kisame will be the biggest threats.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yeah. She'll take the wood off him. Then he slaps his hands together. Pulls out the edo hokage. And proceed to rape.

If she gets to go help Oro..

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If she gets to go help Oro..

I fail to see what's stopping her from doing so.

Hashi isn't known for speed or hand seals. He has nothing in his arsenal to stop oro from using edo. This battle ended as soon as it started.

 

[Red Slayer]

Orochimaru with edo tensei solos