Base EMS Sasuke vs Base War Ark Kakashi

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Location: Valley of the End

Distance: 50 Meters

Intel: Neither Knows New Abilities Since Sasuke Left The Village

Restrictions: Mangeyou Sharingan, Just 3 Tomes, Manda is Dead, Aoda is Not

Intent: To Kill

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This obvious goes to Sasuke.....​
 

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Aoda gives Sasuke the win, although Kakashi could put it under a genjutsu.
 

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What exactly does base Sasuke have on Kakashi?

They are of similar speed, with Kakashi holding the advantage in overall Taijutsu skill thus giving him the advantage in general CQC. Kakashi has the S-ranked version of the very same Raiton that Sasuke specializes in, and has Suiton which perfectly counter any of Sasuke's Katons. Kakashi also has access to shadow clones, and combined with his Doton mole technique, he can pull off feints that went undetected by the likes of Itachi and Pain.

Base Kakashi is superior to base Sasuke in literally every way until summons are put into the mix. However, I have very little doubt that a well placed Raikiri enhanced projectile (such as a kunai, which Kakashi was seen with bisecting multiple boulders) or Raiden can end Sasuke's new snake, though.
 
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Restrict summons and Kakashi takes this. Sasuke wins because of Aoda.
 

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:what:

I'd say Sasuke has more diversity in his attacks then Kakashi does
 

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I'd say Sasuke has more diversity in his attacks then Kakashi does

How so? Sasuke has Chidori, Chidori spear, Chidori Nagashi, and can flow Chidori through weapons. He also has two Katons (standard fireball and fire dragon).

Kakashi has Raikiri, Raikiri Wolf, Raikiri Chain, and can flow Raikiri through weapons. He has multiple variations of shadow clones (standard, Raiton, and Suiton), has four Suitons (wall, dragon, shark, and vortex), not to mention two Dotons (mole technique and mud wall).

Not seeing how Sasuke has more jutsu variety than Kakashi at all.
 
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Aoda eats Kakashi
 

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Kakashi would win without Aoda, with it he loses though. Although, I'd hate to say Kakashi can't handle a summon, so it would be fairly High difficulty for Sasuke, due to Kakashi being tried out.
 

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First off he has 4 Katon's

Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique

5 Chidori Varients + Kirin, which would be a match ender
Chidori
Chidori Current
Chidori Senbon
Chidori Sharp Spear
Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana

And His shurikan jutsu

However i forgot he wouldn't have his snake jutsu for this ... although the variety battle still leans towards Sasuke
 

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Kakashi wins low-mid diff with Aoda restricted.

People say Aoda ggeats Kakashi. I disagree. Naruto already escaped from being eaten by a snake. Snakes don't chop their meal, they eat it whole. Kakashi could simply Raikiri his way out of Aoda's stomach.

Or he could Raiton Bunshin feint it and Aoda will get an electrocution to the stomach.

Or he could use genjutsu.

You get the idea.
 

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Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique

You're double counting here as one is an evolved variation of the same jutsu. It's like me saying Kakashi has both Raikiri and Chidori, which is pointless. Or me counting both thousand years of pain and hiding like a mole technique, even though they both have the same general effect - concealment followed by a surprise attack from underground. Determining jutsu variety is more than just going to some Naruto wiki and copy and pasting everything you see listed - its seeing the jutsu's general effect. If two jutsu, like Chidori and Raikiri, have the same exact effect there is no purpose in listing both and pretending the character has more "variety" for possessing both techniques.

Regardless, Kirin is a circumstantial technique, and not something that Sasuke has readily available. It requires enormous prep time, and given Kakashi's intelligence, I'd wager he would notice what is up and prevent more fireballs from being shot at the sky, let alone allow Sasuke to gather the lightning necessary. Not to mention Kakashi is a lightning user as well, so giving a lightning source to another lightning user can lead to a mutually detrimental situation. Kakashi's area of expertise is not Suiton, yet he can control water sources at his will as seen against Zabuza and Kisame. Raiton, on the other hand, is Kakashi's specialty, so I'd wager given a source he'd be able to utilize it as well.

Still not seeing how Sasuke has the advantage at all. They have the same amount of Raiton variants (barring Kirin), only Kakashi's Raitons are S-ranked. Kakashi's Suitons shut down any of Sasuke's Katons, and Kage Bunshin variants coupled with concealing himself with Doton give him the trickery advantage. Shuriken are not jutsu - they are ninja tools, and Kakashi has access to those as he does chains, ground spikes, kunai, and smokebombs.
 
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Sasuke isn't loading Kirin.

If he is it is nowhere near the one vs Itachi + Kakashi can simply stay near him and that's a draw.
 

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You're double counting here as one is an evolved variation of the same jutsu. It's like me saying Kakashi has both Raikiri and Chidori, which is pointless. Or me counting both thousand years of pain and hiding like a mole technique, even though they both have the same general effect - concealment followed by a surprise attack from underground. Determining jutsu variety is more than just going to some Naruto wiki and copy and pasting everything you see listed - its seeing the jutsu's general effect.

Regardless, Kirin is a circumstantial technique, and not something that Sasuke has readily available. It requires enormous prep time, and given Kakashi's intelligence, I'd wager he would notice what is up and prevent more fireballs from being shot at the sky, let alone allow Sasuke to gather the lightning necessary. Not to mention Kakashi is a lightning user as well, so giving a lightning source to another lightning user can lead to a mutually detrimental situation. Kakashi's area of expertise is not Suiton, yet he can control water sources at his will as seen against Zabuza and Kisame. Raiton, on the other hand, is Kakashi's specialty, so I'd wager given a source he'd be able to utilize it as well.

Still not seeing how Sasuke has the advantage at all. They have the same amount of Raiton variants (barring Kirin), only Kakashi's is S-ranked (thus more powerful). Kakashi's Suitons shut down any of Sasuke's Katons, and Kage Bunshin variants coupled with concealing himself with Doton give him the trickery advantage. Shuriken are not jutsu - they are ninja tools, and Kakashi has access to those as he does chains, ground spikes, kunai, and more.


Lmao you obv do not know the techniques they are not even related .. looks to me like you could use a trip to naruto wikia :rolleyes:

One requires the wire which sasuke then uses to send a flame down and engulf his opponent

The other are 2 giant dragon bullets made of flame that are huge, he used em against itachi.. U_U yes i went to NW because i don't remember all the names relax yourself
 

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Sasuke isn't loading Kirin.

If he is it is nowhere near the one vs Itachi + Kakashi can simply stay near him and that's a draw.

Furthermore, Kakashi is a lightning user as well, thus it is highly feasible that he is capable of controlling natural lightning as well, given a source. Considering he can do the same with Suiton, which is by no means his affinity, I'd wager he can do it with his main element which he has demonstrated S-ranked mastery over.

Lmao you obv do not know the techniques they are not even related .. looks to me like you could use a trip to naruto wikia :rolleyes:

One requires the wire which sasuke then uses to send a flame down and engulf his opponent

I admit I may have mixed up the names, but it doesn't change my point that two of his fire jutsu are practically identical (the standard one he uses and the one he shot at the ceiling against Itachi). My point is that double counting techniques does not define jutsu variety. You'd have to ask yourself whether the jutsu have different applications before determining whether it qualifies as a contribution to that individuals arsenal diversity.
 
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Furthermore, Kakashi is a lightning user as well, thus it is highly feasible that he is capable of controlling natural lightning, given a source. Considering he can do the same with Suiton, which is by no means his affinity, I'd wager he can do it with his main element.

When did he ever do this with suiton?
 

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When did he ever do this with suiton?

Practically every time he was near a water source. He was controlling natural river water when he floored Zabuza with Suiton dragon and later on, vortex. He also used shark bullet from a water source as well, not to mention his defensive Suiton wall. The only time Kakashi is seen spitting out water from his mouth was the Suiton he used against Kakuzu.

With lightning, it'd be the same concept. There is a natural source of lightning available which Kakashi should be able to manipulate given his mastery over the element. He obviously lacks the means to setup a thunderstorm due to lack of Katon jutsu, but once a thunderstorm exists, I'd wager he can control the already existing lightning just as he can control the already existing water sources that were nearby. Same exact idea, just a different element.
 

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Practically every time he was near a water source. He was controlling natural river water when he floored Zabuza with Suiton dragon and later on, vortex. He also used shark bullet from a water source as well, not to mention his defensive Suiton wall. The only time Kakashi is seen spitting out water from his mouth was the Suiton he used against Kakuzu.

With lightning, it'd be the same concept. There is a natural source of lightning available which Kakashi should be able to manipulate given his mastery over the element. He obviously lacks the means to setup a thunderstorm due to lack of Katon jutsu, but once a thunderstorm exists, I'd wager he can control the already existing lightning just as he can control the already existing water sources that were nearby. Same exact idea, just a different element.

Lol ..No , thats just what suiton's are man, controlling pre-existing water with Chakra,

Besides pretty sure he only did that in the anime
 
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Lol ..No , thats just what suiton's are man, controlling pre-existing water with Chakra,

False. Suitons can be used from as well, with no existing water source.

Same goes for Doton - you can either your mouth or into it.

And obviously, same goes for Raiton - you can generate lightning out of your arm, or you can control an existing lightning source.

Considering Kakashi can control Doton and Suiton with a source, I see no reason why he cannot feasibly do the same with Raiton, which he is much better at than those two lesser elements.

Besides pretty sure he only did that in the anime

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False. Suitons can be used from as well, with no existing water source.



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Ya i'k i was actually thinking about Sasuke for some reason 0.o anyway's he would have to master all the varients of Chidori, to control kirin, which he has not nor does he have the reaction to counter it
 
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