[Discussion] Bartolomeo, Viola and Kyros won't join the Strawhats.

[24 12 11 to troll]

No ... it's different ... Franky cannot close to Sunny and become pirate if he not leave his crew. Barto still can close to Luffy and become pirate, no need to abandon his crew.

It's his dream to get onto that ship, though.

Franky left, compelled by his dream, Bartolomeo may be no different

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

It's his dream to get onto that ship, though.

Franky left, compelled by his dream, Bartolomeo may be no different

Personally I want Bartolomeo to join ... because Bartolomeo is said to be ranked number one on the "pirate we wish most to disappear" list. But, I want him join after all of his crew dead ... maybe his crew somehow appear on Sanji Co and help them...but they all got slaughtered by Big Mom commander.... or something like that. But it is unlikely gonna happen, so I think Bartolomeo is the second Squard (I didn't mean he will betray Luffy, but he will lead Strawhat Pirates' Allies).

 

[Skylar Knight]

His dream could easily be to help make Luffy become Pirate King. Or maybe, to find Dragon or something along those lines (finds out the lightning strike was Dragon, looks up to Sabo etc.). You can't rule out the possibility of a dream being unveiled later, which I have already extensively explained earlier in the thread. We didn't know Nami's dream or Choppers dream till arcs after they join. Some Mugiwara's dreams were only revealed at the end of the arc such as Robin, Franky and Brook.

To be honest seeing the Strawhats accomplishing their goals would bring joy to Bartolomeo anyways. #sarcasmbackfires

Brooks dream, Nami's dream, Zoro's dream, Choppers dream and Usopps dream all don't require travelling. But they travel anyways. So what's your point? That only Luffy, Sanji, Robin and Franky are legitimate Strawhats and the rest aren't? And actually:
Luffy's dream was mentioned 579 chapters before his sad flashback and Robins was revealed 132 chapters later, yet we had little hints of her past dropped in every few chapters or so. Lol. On the contrary (which also opposes the other extreme of your point), Nami, Usopp, Chopper and Franky all had their flashbacks before their goals were established and known to the readers.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Chopper's dream was revealed during his flashback, in chapter 145, almost ten chapters before he joined the crew. Nami officially joined in chapter 95, after the Arlong Park arc, which is of course debatable. Regardless, her dream was revealed to us readers before that, in chapter 77.

Your argument about how a dream could be revealed close to the end of the arc, just like with Robin, Franky, and Brook, is, of course, correct. However, Franky and Brook's dreams were hinted at before the end of the arcs they were introduced. Franky said he wanted to make a dream ship in chapter 357, but left out the part where he'd like to be the shipwright on said ship. We already knew from the start that Brook wanted to meet Laboon again, after his talk with Franky and Robin.

Brook needs to travel to meet Laboon, Nami wants to draw a world map out from what she's sees in her travels, Zoro's dream doesn't require traveling, but it's close to impossible to become the best swordsman without going to the New World, and Usopp wants to become a brave warriors of the seas, which requires traveling. Chopper doesn't necessarily need to travel, but it's obvious that he wouldn't have been able to cure every decease out there if he stayed on Drum Island, or Sakura Island as it is called now. He doesn't, in theory, need to travel, though.

Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, and Franky - all the Strawhats, except for Robin and Brook, had their goals established within their own flashbacks. Robin and Brook staight out told us what their dreams were - Robin in chapter 218, almost two hundred chapters before her past had been revealed, and Brook in chapter 459, thirty chapters before we got to see his past with Laboon. So, the dreams are either established in the flashbacks, or some time before. Never after, from what we've seen so far. Viola, Rebecca, Bartolomeo, and Kyros, have all had their pasts revealed, without any dreams established or even as much hinted at. Neither were their pasts anything to brag about, except for Kyros', which was, in my opinion, a very emotional flashback.

Bartolomeo's dream, if it's really something along the lines of joining the Strawhat crew or travel around with them, would not lead to any development for him. It's not a good enough dream, if I can say that, to actually join the Strawhats. Again, I'd like for Sugar to join. It's not biased, it just makes sense to me.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Chopper's dream was revealed during his flashback, in chapter 145, almost ten chapters before he joined the crew. Nami officially joined in chapter 95, after the Arlong Park arc, which is of course debatable. Still, her dream was revealed to us readers before that, in chapter 77.

Your argument about how a dream could be revealed close to the end of the arc, just like with Robin, Franky, and Brook, is, of course, correct. However, Franky and Brook's dreams were hinted at before the end of the arc. Franky said he wanted to make a dream ship in chapter 357, but left out the part where he'd like to be the shipwright on said ship. We already knew from the start that Brook wanted to meet Laboon again, after his talk with Franky and Robin. Robin

Brook needs to travel to meet Laboon, Nami wanted to draw a world map out from what she's sees in her travels, Zoro's dream doesn't require traveling, but it's close to impossible to become the best swordsman without going to the New World, and Usopp wants to become a brave warriors of the seas, which requires traveling. Chopper doesn't necessarily need to travel, but it's obvious that he wouldn't have been able to cure every decease out there if he stayed on Drum Island, or Sakura Island as it is called now. He doesn't, in theory, need to travel, though.

Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, and Franky - all the Strawhats, except for Robin and Brook, had their goals established within their own flashbacks. Robin and Brook said straight out what their dreams were - Robin in chapter 218, almost two hundred chapters before her past had been revealed, and Brook in chapter 459, thirty chapters before we got to see his past with Laboon. So, the dreams are either established in the flashbacks, or some time before. Never after, from what we've seen so far. Viola, Rebecca, Bartolomeo, and Kyros, all have had their pasts revealed, without any dreams established or even as much hinted at. Neither were their pasts anything to brag about, except for Kyros', in my opinion, very emotional flashback.

Bartolomeo's dream, if it's something along the lines of joining the Strawhat crew or travel around with them, would not lead to any development for him. It's not a good enough dream, if I can say that, to actually join the Strawhats. Again, I'd like for Sugar to join. It's not biased, it just makes sense to me.

So you think there's absolutely no chance for a dream of Barto's to be revealed outside of flashback near the end of the arc?

 

[Skylar Knight]

So you think there's absolutely no chance for a dream of Barto's to be revealed outside of flashback near the end of the arc?

Oh, there's of course a chance, and the chances aren't exactly small. I just think Sugar's chances of joining are much higher.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oh, there's of course a chance, and the chances aren't exactly small. I just think Sugar's chances of joining are much higher.

Got it. Sugar, the enemy who openly resents every Strawhat and would like nothing more than to turn them all into toys and is utterly loyal to the arc's main villain that Luffy has a lot of ill-will towards is more likely to join than the man who is currently devoted to helping the Strawhats to the point of risking his life.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Sugar, the enemy who openly resents every Strawhat and would like nothing more than to turn them all into toys

She resents the Strawhat, yes, but so did Franky at some point in the story. Something like that doesn't make it an impossibility that she'll join at the end of the arc.

and is utterly loyal to the arc's main villain

Baby 5 is, or was, also loyal to the arc's main villain, but that seems to have changed after a certain someone called her "inconvenient."

that Luffy has a lot of ill-will towards

It's not in Luffy's nature to judge a person by someone else's actions, nor was he too fond of Crocodile around the time Robin joined.

is more likely to join than the man who is currently devoted to helping the Strawhats to the point of risking his life.

A lot of other characters have shown the same traits, one example being Bentham, aka Mr. 2.

 

[Punk Hazard]

She restents the Strawhat, yes, but so did Franky at some point in the story. Something like that doesn't make it an impossibility that she'll join at the end of the arc.



Baby 5 is, or was, also loyal to the arc's main villain, but that seems to have changed after a certain someone called her "inconvenient."



It's not in Luffy's nature to judge a person by someone else's actions, nor was he too fond of Crocodile around the time Robin joined.



A lot of other characters have shown the same traits, one example being Bentham, aka Mr. 2.

Franky robbed the Strawhats, but he never resented them. I don't you have a grasp on how strong a word resent really is.

Don't use Baby 5 to support your argument. Her very first appearance was her attempting to murder Doflamingo, and her personality doesn't make her very loyal. Sugar isn't like Baby 5 in the slightest.

That wasn't the point, but that she's loyal to someone who is on the opposing side to Luffy and isn't likely to ever be on his good side.

First off, Mr. 2 only helped Luffy due to his friendship with Bon Clay and the fact that it would mean he'd get free from Impel Down. You need a better example.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Franky robbed the Strawhats, but he never resented them. I don't you have a grasp on how strong a word resent really is.

Don't use Baby 5 to support your argument. Her very first appearance was her attempting to murder Doflamingo, and her personality doesn't make her very loyal. Sugar isn't like Baby 5 in the slightest.

That wasn't the point, but that she's loyal to someone who is on the opposing side to Luffy and isn't likely to ever be on his good side.

First off, Mr. 2 only helped Luffy due to his friendship with Bon Clay and the fact that it would mean he'd get free from Impel Down. You need a better example.

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At some point he resented the Strawhats, or at least strongly hated them.

Then I'll use Bartolomeo as an example. If he can, according to some of you, leave his crew, then why can't Sugar? It's contradicting. He also believes in some kind of "brotherhood," so why exactly is it more likely that Bartolomeo is gonna leave his own nakama to join the Strawhats? It doesn't make sense to me. Please tell me what you guys see that I don't.

"Isn't likely to be on his good side." That's just how you see it.

Alright, then instead of Mr. 2, let's use Vivi as an example. If I know her character well enough, she'd willingly risk her life for the crew at the end of the Alabasta arc. Yet, instead of her, Robin, a woman who would in no way risk her life to protect the crew, ended up joining.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

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At some point he resented the Strawhats, or at least strongly hated them.

Then I'll use Bartolomeo as an example. If he can, according to some of you, leave his crew, then why can't Sugar? It's contradicting. He also believes in some kind of "brotherhood," so why exactly is it more likely that Bartolomeo is gonna leave his own nakama to join the Strawhats? It doesn't make sense to me. Please tell me what you guys see that I don't.

"Isn't likely to be on his good side." That's just how you see it.

Alright, then instead of Mr. 2, let's use Vivi as an example. If I know her character well enough, she'd risk her life for the crew. Yet, instead of her, Robin, a woman who would in no way risk her life to protect the crew, ended up joining.

Franky had the chance to bond with the SHs. Sugar isn't going to have that chance.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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At some point he resented the Strawhats, or at least strongly hated them.

Then I'll use Bartolomeo as an example. If he can, according to some of you, leave his crew, then why can't Sugar? It's contradicting. He also believes in some kind of "brotherhood," so why exactly is it more likely that Bartolomeo is gonna leave his own nakama to join the Strawhats? It doesn't make sense to me. Please tell me what you guys see that I don't.

"Isn't likely to be on his good side." That's just how you see it.

Alright, then instead of Mr. 2, let's use Vivi as an example. If I know her character well enough, she'd risk her life for the crew. Yet, instead of her, Robin, a woman who would in no way risk her life to protect the crew, ended up joining.

He was extremely angry yes, but he didn't have resentment.

It's not that Sugar can't leave the Donquixote Pirates, but the chances of her leaving the crew she's utterly loyal too for the one she resents isn't likely. Franky's case is different because his crew and Luffy's found a common enemy and became allies. No such opportunity is here for Sugar.

Vivi is actually considered a nakama by the original members of the crew, so bad example yet again.Vivi didn't sail with them because she has to look over her kingdom.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Franky had the chance to bond with the SHs. Sugar isn't going to have that chance.

Did Robin have some kind of bond with the Strawhats, when she decided to join? None of them trusted her, nor did they want her to join, but she did, and now she's one of the most popular females in the series.

She could've made a deal with Doflamingo - if she keep her part of the deal, he will help her with whatever they agreed on. However, the moment the toys returned to their human forms, the deal was broken. Now Doflamingo might not have more use for her. It's all speculations of course, but my point is that there are hundreds of possibilities for Sugar to join.

He was extremely angry yes, but he didn't have resentment.

It's not that Sugar can't leave the Donquixote Pirates, but the chances of her leaving the crew she's utterly loyal too for the one she resents isn't likely. Franky's case is different because his crew and Luffy's found a common enemy and became allies. No such opportunity is here for Sugar.

Vivi is actually considered a nakama by the original members of the crew, so bad example yet again. Vivi didn't sail with them because she has to look over her kingdom.

The same goes for Viola, by the way.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did Robin have some kind of bond with the Strawhats, when she decided to join? None of them trusted her, nor did they want her to join, but she did, and now she's one of the most popular females in the series.

She could've made a deal with Doflamingo - if she keep her part of the deal, he will help her with whatever they agreed on. However, the moment the toys returned to their human forms, the deal was broken. Now Doflamingo might not have more use for her. It's all speculations of course, but my point is that there are hundreds of possibilities for Sugar to join.



The same goes for Viola, by the way.

Who the **** is talking about Viola?

 

[Skylar Knight]

Who the **** is talking about Viola?

The guy who made the thread is. Stop going on the defensive and reply with a proper argument instead. Just earlier in this thread, you started to talk about how I said this and that about Sugar, when the discussion wasn't about her at all, so why exactly can't I do the same? I'm simply ruling out Viola, using your logic, which is pretty much the point of the thread - to discuss who's more likely to join the crew.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Did Robin have some kind of bond with the Strawhats, when she decided to join? None of them trusted her, nor did they want her to join, but she did, and now she's one of the most popular females in the series.

Robin and Luffy found a common enemy in Crocodile. Robin even saved Luffy's life.

Just gonna let you two have it out

 

[Punk Hazard]

The guy who made the thread is. Stop going on the defensive and reply with a proper argument instead. Just earlier in this thread, you started to talk about how I said this and that about Sugar, when the discussion wasn't about her at all, so why exactly can't I do the same? I'm simply ruling out Viola, using your logic, which is pretty much the point of the thread - to discuss who's more likely to join the crew.

I mentioned what you said about Sugar in the other thread because it was relevant to what you were saying in the post that I quoted. Viola wasn't relevant to what I was arguing about, which was Barto's chances vs Sugar's.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Then we can leave it with this: The only one I see joining the crew is Sugar, and if I turn out to be wrong, then that's fine, too. It's not like I haven't been wrong before. However, to me, Bartolomeo doesn't seem like the guy to leave his own crew, and if he does, it would honestly surprise me. One of the things he seems to put above anything else is friendship and loyalty. Not only that, he doesn't have a dream. Of course more of his past could be revealed later on, but I just don't think that'll ever happen. That's just my opinion about it all.

The reason I think Sugar's gonna join, however, is because, in my opinion, none of the other characters seem fit to join. Either their pasts haven't intriguied me, or their dreams aren't up to the standards I expect them to be, or simply because they seem to have a reason to not join.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Then we can leave it with this: The only one I see joining the crew is Sugar, and if I turn out to be wrong, then that's fine, too. It's not like I haven't been wrong before. However, to me, Bartolomeo doesn't seem like the guy to leave his own crew, and if he does, it would honestly surprise me. One of the things he seems to put above anything else is friendship and loyalty. Not only that, he doesn't have a dream. Of course more of his past could be revealed later on, but I just don't think that'll ever happen. That's just my opinion about it all.

The reason I think Sugar's gonna join, however, is because, in my opinion, none of the other characters seem fit to join. Either their pasts haven't intriguied me, or their dreams aren't up to the standards I expect them to be, or simply because they seem to have a reason to not join.

What makes Sugar so fit to join?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Then we can leave it with this: The only one I see joining the crew is Sugar, and if I turn out to be wrong, then that's fine, too. It's not like I haven't been wrong before. However, to me, Bartolomeo doesn't seem like the guy to leave his own crew, and if he does, it would honestly surprise me. One of the things he seems to put above anything else is friendship and loyalty. Not only that, he doesn't have a dream. Of course more of his past could be revealed later on, but I just don't think that'll ever happen. That's just my opinion about it all.

The reason I think Sugar's gonna join, however, is because, in my opinion, none of the other characters seem fit to join. Either their pasts haven't intriguied me, or their dreams aren't up to the standards I expect them to be, or simply because they seem to have a reason to not join.

So basically, you see nobody else fit to join so you force some random to fill the gap. You could just say nobody is fit to join and leave it at that...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then we can leave it with this: The only one I see joining the crew is Sugar, and if I turn out to be wrong, then that's fine, too. It's not like I haven't been wrong before. However, to me, Bartolomeo doesn't seem like the guy to leave his own crew, and if he does, it would honestly surprise me. One of the things he seems to put above anything else is friendship and loyalty. Not only that, he doesn't have a dream. Of course more of his past could be revealed later on, but I just don't think that'll ever happen. That's just my opinion about it all.

The reason I think Sugar's gonna join, however, is because, in my opinion, none of the other characters seem fit to join. Either their pasts haven't intriguied me, or their dreams aren't up to the standards I expect them to be, or simply because they seem to have a reason to not join.

In regards to Sugar:
-What dream?
-What past?
-What reason?

So Sugar, who has no past revealed, no dream, and no reason to join and was trying to defeat the crew until she was KOd, is more likely to join than the man who is obsessed with the crew, is helping the crew and most likely has a dream involving the crew? The ****?