[Theory] Back when Madara "helped" Obito...

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Today, Obito's side turned black after a jutsu by Madara. Remember when this happened again? Yeah, Black Zetsu. And what was that black thing? Madara's will.
Yeah it's pretty simple judging from what we see now. Madara, back when he "helped" Obito by installing a "Hashirama body" as his right side, he didn't actually do him a favor at all.
Instead, he apparently used his "will transfer" thingy too, same as he did with Zetsu and did the same thing on Obito too.
Basically, that's why he was never in doubt that Obito would be loyal to him. He was "poisoned" all the way from the very start.

Black Zetsu always being around Obito is a further sign of this being possible to be true.

What do you think?
 

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black zetsu likely wouldve done the hand seal or whatever, that forced obito to revive madara, if obito deviated from the plan.
 

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There is one more thing that helped Madara and that is Rinnegan.
Rinnegan that Obito is using is Madara's
it was Madara's rinnigan
Hmm I am not convinced it is just that. Many Madara's rinnegan all over the place. It's like he released a seal or something today that was inside Obito's right side.
 

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Today, Obito's side turned black after a jutsu by Madara. Remember when this happened again? Yeah, Black Zetsu. And what was that black thing? Madara's will.
Yeah it's pretty simple judging from what we see now. Madara, back when he "helped" Obito by installing a "Hashirama body" as his right side, he didn't actually do him a favor at all.
Instead, he apparently used his "will transfer" thingy too, same as he did with Zetsu and did the same thing on Obito too.
Basically, that's why he was never in doubt that Obito would be loyal to him. He was "poisoned" all the way from the very start.

Black Zetsu always being around Obito is a further sign of this being possible to be true.

What do you think?
I have my doubts about loyalty in there... I think Madara just wanted a backup plan in case of Nagato betraying him.
 

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I have my doubts about loyalty in there... I think Madara just wanted a backup plan in case of Nagato betraying him.
Well if Obito was "half-Madara" all way long, Madara would be right in having no doubts about Obito's long-term loyalty.

I admit I kinda want it to be true. Tobi being half-Madara from the get go , that is.
 

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It only makes sense Madara having a way to control/restrict Obito from the beginning. He was so laid back when Obito was talking shit about having the upper hand, indicating that he had a back up plan for controlling him.

The zetsu/body control makes more sense for me. It looked like a seal has been activated, beginning from his zetsu repaired side. The rinnegan has passed down many hands and only recently Obito took it. The zetsu body on the other hand has been part of Obito from the beginning (remember how sure Madara was even back in the cage that Obito will turn back and follow his plans).
 

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It only makes sense Madara having a way to control/restrict Obito from the beginning. He was so laid back when Obito was talking shit about having the upper hand, indicating that he had a back up plan for controlling him.

The zetsu/body control makes more sense for me. It looked like a seal has been activated, beginning from his zetsu repaired side. The rinnegan has passed down many hands and only recently Obito took it. The zetsu body on the other hand has been part of Obito from the beginning (remember how sure Madara was even back in the cage that Obito will turn back and follow his plans).
Yep, let's hope this comes true because I don't want Tobi to be ruined. If it is true Tobi would be basically Madara, not just pretending.
That would make Madara twice the badass he is right now.
 
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