Ay's top speed...?

[minamoto 🥉]

Hmm...

Honestly did you thoroughly think this through or did you try to flush out the premise with the supporting content? ​

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[NarutoX28]

NB really isn't a good place to post calcs, but this has to be wrong. Ay isn't slower than sound considering that CM lvl 1 Sasuke dodged a sound wave back in part 1.

Not to mention Chiyo could physically react to Sasori's Satetsu projectiles that seemed to have been moving at the speed of sound.

 

[Beans2]

Good effort, but this entire calculation doesn't take into account that Minato reacted much before that, enough to throw a kunai before Raikage reached him. So your calculation puts Ay at a much higher speed than he really is.

 

[Everztar]

Sasuke is Faster.

Sasuke didn't dodge Ay
Naruto dodged Ay

Naruto > Sasuke

Kaguya dodged sasuke
Kaguya didn't dodge naruto

Naruto > Sasuke

EVEN WITH TELEPORT RINNEGAN STUFF

 

[Uchihakil]

Good effort, but naah, cee said raikage's synapses fire at fast as a flash of light, raikage is as fast as lightning (mangafact) so you should'nt have tried to prove the manga wrong, based on your calc, raikage is not even as fast as sound, and we see kid sasuke dodging a supersonic attack as someone stated, temari blowing away sound, chiyo blocking hypersonic attacks etc, and they are not even close to the raikage, later on we see RSM naruto dodging a lightspeed attack, guy bending space, juubito blocking teleported attacks, itaching lighting and all

 

[Claymantan]

Good effort, but this entire calculation doesn't take into account that Minato reacted much before that, enough to throw a kunai before Raikage reached him. So your calculation puts Ay at a much higher speed than he really is.

Minato had thrown those kunai out before Ay had even begun his attack.

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[shelke]

Your statement about Minato possessing "perfect reflexes" is really throwing me off. Is that even Ae's top speed? Ae's chakra levels climb to Bijuu levels (climbing higher) when he ups his Cloak to the max. Minato is a sensor. He never sensed anything. Ae has never directly gone for V2 straight as well. This is V1, at most. I highly disagree. I would like to see Minato physically react to Ae, rather than mentally counter his so-called speed:

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If he was so-fast that he could counter V2, then how did Bee, a lot slower character then, react to his FTG teleports, twice?

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^ Minato has already teleported above Ae, and Bee is still faster. He sends his tentacle out after Minato's teleportation. He is so slow that he didn't even jump back? Does that mean Teenage Bee has faster reflexes than V2 Ae? Come on, man! His reflexes are not perfect. They are not at Naruto's level. Not even close. This base has done nothing but exaggerate his worth repeatedly.

Furthermore, this is what Chee states about Minato's so-called speed: "Viz: "Lord Raikage's nervous system and reaction speed are on par with Kohana's Yellow Flash. I'm surprised these folk are managing to keep up. But Lord Raikage can also amplify his ability further using Lightning Release armor...not even the sharigan will be able to keep up.""

His speed is on-par with Ae without his cloak. With cloak, Ae surpasses him. In V1 alone, Raikage's reaction speed is superior. I will put Hebi Sasuke, Itachi, SM Naruto, Bee and V1 Raikage above him. As their feats prove it.

 

[Beans2]

Minato had thrown those kunai out before Ay had even begun his attack.

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I'm talking about the kunai he threw as Ay was charging at him

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It's in Minatos hand in the top panel, then its next to Raikage in the bottom left
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[Uchihakil]

Your statement about Minato possessing "perfect reflexes" is really throwing me off. Is that even Ae's top speed? Ae's chakra levels climb to Bijuu levels (climbing higher) when he ups his Cloak to the max. Minato is a sensor. He never sensed anything. Ae has never directly gone for V2 straight as well. This is V1, at most. I highly disagree. I would like to see Minato physically react to Ae, rather than mentally counter his so-called speed:

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If he was so-fast that he could counter V2, then how did Bee, a lot slower character then, react to his FTG teleports, twice?

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^ Minato has already teleported above Ae, and Bee is still faster. He sends his tentacle out after Minato's teleportation. He is so slow that he didn't even jump back? Does that mean Teenage Bee has faster reflexes than V2 Ae? Come on, man! His reflexes are not perfect. They are not at Naruto's level. Not even close. This base has done nothing but exaggerate his worth repeatedly.

Furthermore, this is what Chee states about Minato's so-called speed: "Viz: "Lord Raikage's nervous system and reaction speed are on par with Kohana's Yellow Flash. I'm surprised these folk are managing to keep up. But Lord Raikage can also amplify his ability further using Lightning Release armor...not even the sharigan will be able to keep up.""

His speed is on-par with Ae without his cloak. With cloak, he surpasses it. In V1 alone, Raikage's reaction speed is superior. I will put Hebi Sasuke, Itachi, SM Naruto, Bee and V1 Raikage above him. As their feats prove it.

True I second this

 

[Phact]

Nice try with the calculations but the problem is that u compared the brain of minato to a human brain.

Ay is easily lightening speed because in that same chapter he was drawn as a lightening bolt.

 

[Claymantan]

I'm talking about the kunai he threw as Ay was charging at him

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It's in Minatos hand in the top panel, then its next to Raikage in the bottom left
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He left that Kunai there when he teleported. The kunai he teleported to was one of the kunai he had thrown beforehand. He teleported to the kunai already-embedded in the tree, and then used the kunai he left behind to warp back and attack Ay after Ay passed it. He never actually threw the kunai that is behind Ay.

 

[shelke]

He left that Kunai there when he teleported. The kunai he teleported to was one of the kunai he had thrown beforehand. He teleported to the kunai already-embedded in the tree, and then used the kunai he left behind to warp back and attack Ay after Ay passed it. He never actually threw the kunai that is behind Ay.

Oh my God ... Finally! I have been saying this on this forum whenever this feat was brought up that the guy never threw that Kunai! It was already in the tree.

 

[Claymantan]

Oh my God ... Finally! I have been saying this on this forum whenever this feat was brought up that the guy never threw that Kunai! It was already in the tree.

I gotta admit that this battle is probably Kishimoto's most subtle one.

As for what you said in your longer quote, I'm fine admitting that Minato's reactions aren't perfect, trying to do that in this thread would probably have been more trouble than it was worth, so I made the concession. For the purposes of this thread (which disregards hype or just insane feats that break manga logic), it just ends up making Ay slower, I guess.

 

[NarutoX28]

Nice try with the calculations but the problem is that u compared the brain of minato to a human brain.

Ay is easily lightening speed because in that same chapter he was drawn as a lightening bolt.

This.

Sick and Almost Blind Itachi could process Sasuke's Kirin (which moves at the speed of lightning) before it converged with the ground, so that's much faster than what the most reactive brain could respond to. Keep in mind that this was done to someone whose own reactions were hindered significantly, so comparing Minato to the most reactive brain in reality doesn't seem to make much sense IMO.

 

[KingHashirama]

So you're claiming he is able to blitz anyone within 100 meters?

 

[shelke]

I gotta admit that this battle is probably Kishimoto's most subtle one.

As for what you said in your longer quote, I'm fine admitting that Minato's reactions aren't perfect, trying to do that in this thread would probably have been more trouble than it was worth, so I made the concession. For the purposes of this thread (which disregards hype or just insane feats that break manga logic), it just ends up making Ay slower, I guess.

It is a bit too subtle for the fans here. They can't see the Kunai highlighted quite explicitly on the previous page.

I see your point.

This.

Sick and Almost Blind Itachi could process Sasuke's Kirin (which moves at the speed of lightning) before it converged with the ground, so that's much faster than what the most reactive brain could respond to. Keep in mind that this was done to someone whose own reactions were hindered significantly, so comparing Minato to the most reactive brain in reality doesn't seem to make much sense IMO.

Hebi Sasuke doded C2 explosions. 2 in under a second. Those are Mach. 22 in real life. The distance he covered in both is well over five times the distance Minato did in his best speed feat against Kurama's claw.

 

[Claymantan]

Sick and Almost Blind Itachi could process Sasuke's Kirin (which moves at the speed of lightning) before it converged with the ground, so that's much faster than what the most reactive brain could respond to. Keep in mind that this was done to someone whose own reactions were hindered significantly, so comparing Minato to the most reactive brain in reality doesn't seem to make much sense IMO.

So you're claiming he is able to blitz anyone within 100 meters?

Two very different reactions to OP, haha

Look, you guys can interpret the manga as you wish, I'm not trying to force any one interpretation. If people want to think V2 Ay is essentially a lightning bolt, or is just a very fast human, that's fine. If people want to think Minato's reflexes aren't perfect, or want to think that he can think sentences faster than he can process an image, that's fine.

No matter what, the logic of the manga is broken. If people have perfect reflexes and can react to or move at lightning, all battles should be DBZ-fights that are over in a few seconds. If people are more limited, how did Sasuke dodge a sound wave at age 12? (By the way, if you assume that Zaku's air pressure attack moves at literal supersonic speeds, then you have to assume Zaku can control chakra at supersonic speeds - or that Dosu can control chakra at sonic speeds - which is also insane).

I chose to approach this from a perspective of "The feats these characters perform can be measured."

You don't have to take the number literally. It's a relative number. We can say that in the Narutoverse, lightning speed is our equivalent of 143 m/sec, for example, and that lightning speed is an attainable and react-able speed for characters. So basically, characters can react to Ay's speed from a certain distance, even if that speed is called "lightning" (1/3rd the speed of light, literally no one should even be able to see him in V2). W/e.

But I will stand by the claim that Ay can blitz anyone within 100 m if that person doesn't have comparable reaction feats to Minato. But Minato's reaction here happens in about a tenth of a second; so characters who are around eight times slower at 100 m can still react.