Claymantan
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So, in a couple of threads in the Versus Colosseum, the question of how fast Ay can actually move has come up, because knowing his blitz speed is important for matchups at certain distances. We know Ay is fast, one of the fastest shinobi alive, but within exactly what range can we place his speed?
I decided to try and calculate this based on Minato's reaction speed, which is generally considered second only to Naruto's. This is because his encounter with Minato places them at an identifiable and measurable distance. Furthermore, since Minato's reaction speed is generally considered to be one of the highest in the manga, his match with Ay during the Third Shinobi War is probably the best way we can compare Ay's speed to something we can actually put a number on. Finally, FTG is an instantaneous jutsu, so we don't have to account for how long his reaction jutsu would have taken to avoid Ay (whereas with characters like Naruto, punches and blocks and such take time that we can't really estimate).
We know that Minato reacted to Ay's top speed:
I want to find the average speed of Ay's top speed.
Average speed = distance / time. So let's start with finding the distance Ay had to cover.
Here's this approximated distance between Ay and Minato during their encounter.
The red line is based on Ay's height (1.98 m). Using Ay's height to to estimate the initial distance between Minato and Ay, we get an approximate distance of 15.6 m.
The blue line is based on Ay's foot length (assumed to be around 1 ft, or .304 m, the average length of the foot of a man greater than 6 ft.). Using Ay's foot length to estimate the initial distance between Minato and Ay, we get an approximate distance of 13.34 m.
Therefore, although the conventions of drawing limit the real portrayal of distance, it's fair to say this panel is proportionally drawn, since the distances are pretty close. To keep things as realistic as possible, I averaged the two distances together, for an average distance of 14.47 m.
This means, that at top speed, Ay traveled a distance of 14.47 m in...how much time?
This is where I have to fudge the numbers a bit. I am going to assume that Minato's reflexes are borderline perfect.
For the majority of the distance that Ay traveled, Minato was unable to react:
He reacts literally at the last possible moment:
We can assume that Minato would have reacted as soon as his brain registered that Ay was attacking.
So we can say:
The time it took Ay to travel 14.47 m = the time it took Minato to process Ay's movement + the time it took Minato to react.
Since FTG is instantaneous, we don't have to worry about how long it took for FTG to activate.
Let's try to be moderately realistic here, and assume that Minato's brain operates like the best possible human's would.
With these defined limits, the total time it took Ay to travel to Minato is 0.1023 sec.
So Ay traveled 14.47 m in 0.10123 sec.
This puts his top speed at:
14.47 m / 0.10123 sec = 142.9418 m/sec.
Ay's top speed is therefore around...
143 m/sec.
Based on what some people have assumed, this is a pretty reasonable estimate for Ay's top speed.
Granted, this is a shounen manga, and we're probably not supposed to look too deep into this. However, this kind of mangafact analysis helps us to compare characters' feats and put set limits on what characters can actually do. So we can say that in any matchup of less than 100 m, Ay will probably be able to blitz his opponents. We can also get a better grasp of how fast Naruto and Minato were.
What do you all think?
I decided to try and calculate this based on Minato's reaction speed, which is generally considered second only to Naruto's. This is because his encounter with Minato places them at an identifiable and measurable distance. Furthermore, since Minato's reaction speed is generally considered to be one of the highest in the manga, his match with Ay during the Third Shinobi War is probably the best way we can compare Ay's speed to something we can actually put a number on. Finally, FTG is an instantaneous jutsu, so we don't have to account for how long his reaction jutsu would have taken to avoid Ay (whereas with characters like Naruto, punches and blocks and such take time that we can't really estimate).
We know that Minato reacted to Ay's top speed:
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.I want to find the average speed of Ay's top speed.
Average speed = distance / time. So let's start with finding the distance Ay had to cover.
Here's this approximated distance between Ay and Minato during their encounter.
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The red line is based on Ay's height (1.98 m). Using Ay's height to to estimate the initial distance between Minato and Ay, we get an approximate distance of 15.6 m.
The blue line is based on Ay's foot length (assumed to be around 1 ft, or .304 m, the average length of the foot of a man greater than 6 ft.). Using Ay's foot length to estimate the initial distance between Minato and Ay, we get an approximate distance of 13.34 m.
Therefore, although the conventions of drawing limit the real portrayal of distance, it's fair to say this panel is proportionally drawn, since the distances are pretty close. To keep things as realistic as possible, I averaged the two distances together, for an average distance of 14.47 m.
This means, that at top speed, Ay traveled a distance of 14.47 m in...how much time?
This is where I have to fudge the numbers a bit. I am going to assume that Minato's reflexes are borderline perfect.
For the majority of the distance that Ay traveled, Minato was unable to react:
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.He reacts literally at the last possible moment:
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We can assume that Minato would have reacted as soon as his brain registered that Ay was attacking.
So we can say:
The time it took Ay to travel 14.47 m = the time it took Minato to process Ay's movement + the time it took Minato to react.
Since FTG is instantaneous, we don't have to worry about how long it took for FTG to activate.
Let's try to be moderately realistic here, and assume that Minato's brain operates like the best possible human's would.
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With these defined limits, the total time it took Ay to travel to Minato is 0.1023 sec.
So Ay traveled 14.47 m in 0.10123 sec.
This puts his top speed at:
14.47 m / 0.10123 sec = 142.9418 m/sec.
Ay's top speed is therefore around...
143 m/sec.
Based on what some people have assumed, this is a pretty reasonable estimate for Ay's top speed.
Granted, this is a shounen manga, and we're probably not supposed to look too deep into this. However, this kind of mangafact analysis helps us to compare characters' feats and put set limits on what characters can actually do. So we can say that in any matchup of less than 100 m, Ay will probably be able to blitz his opponents. We can also get a better grasp of how fast Naruto and Minato were.
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While you shouldn't take this thread too literally, this kind of calculation does serve a purpose.What do you all think?
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