Ay vs Darui, Asuma, Temari, Kitsuchi and early part2 Kakashi

[EliteKakashi]

Reread those scans, he was trying to catch him by surprise, if he activated his V2 "Madara" would have noticed it and it would have been too predictable

He could have activated v2 while rushing at him, if he wanted.

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A single Raikiri would not bring down v1 or v2 Raikage Ei. Not in your wildest dreams.

Yes, a raikiri to the heart would kill the Raikage. Dunno how that's debatable in any way, form or fashion.

 

[iiDarui]

He knew of raikiri, but underestimated it at first glance. Show me a manga page of him knowing about Kamui.

I do not need a manga page. Here's where logic and common sense kicks.

He's Kakashi Hatake, son of the White Fang. Ei had a conference with all Kage before the first say of the war and asked the other Kage to tell him about their villages strongest shinobi and kunoichi. I'm sure Kakashi's name came up, seeing as how he's Captain of the Fourth Division. Tsunade more than likely exposed his Doujutsu, including ours Kamui, to the other Kage.

Come on. Logic with a touch of common sense.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Yes, a raikiri to the heart would kill the Raikage. Dunno how that's debatable in any way, form or fashion.

This.

He was never shown able to activate it while running, a mere baseless assumption.

While he hasn't been shown to do it, it's probable and likely that he can, as he is simply morphing stages in the Jutsu and not completely shifting jutsu. Why would he not be able to? That was indeed an assumption, but not slight or baseless in the slightest, it was a very logical assumption.

 

[EliteKakashi]

He was never shown able to activate it while running, a mere baseless assumption.

It was shown not to take any more time to activate than v1. There would have been no difference in the amount of time it would have took him to "surprise" Madara.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

I do not need a manga page. Here's where logic and common sense kicks.

He's Kakashi Hatake, son of the White Fang. Ei had a conference with all Kage before the first say of the war and asked the other Kage to tell him about their villages strongest shinobi and kunoichi. I'm sure Kakashi's name came up, seeing as how he's Captain of the Fourth Division. Tsunade more than likely exposed his Doujutsu, including ours Kamui, to the other Kage.

Come on. Logic with a touch of common sense.

This is exactly what I am saying. You need manga evidence that A possesses knowledge on the Kamui. That is a very weak argument. That is pure speculation, fanfiction, and assumption all bundled into one. That's not how debates work on this site. Hell, even if you went on those websites that argue with simple paragraphs and not evidence, you'd still get shot down there. Purely assumption with no evidence whatsoever. Cannot back up this point until evidence is shown, so moving along quite hastily from this subject.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Every time he activated his V2 he was standing still so to say he can do it while running is indeed a baseless assumption, the whole argument is absurd anyway since he did activate his V2 right off the bat against Minato.

Because he knew of minato's reputation and speed, and had full knowledge on FTG, so he decided to go in with top speeds. Kakashi, someone not known for his speed at all, only known as the Nina who is able to copy techniques, why would he feel the need to instantly go top speed? Even so, I've already debunked how he counters it and keeps up with Non-Lightning Straight speed A.

 

[Champ]

5 on 1, A goes v2 and slaughter them

 

[iiDarui]

He could have activated v2 while rushing at him, if he wanted.

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Yes, a raikiri to the heart would kill the Raikage. Dunno how that's debatable in any way, form or fashion.

He and his father are said to be made of steel, metaphorically of course. I'm not sure why the Raikiri is even still in the debate. He won't get the chance to use it against v2 Raikage.

BUT, since it isn't confirmed that the Raikiri can pierce someone like Raikage, that whole Raikiri killing Ei in a single blow is invalid.

Yet again, the only thing strong enough to pierce Sandaime Raikage was himself. I'm guessing the same rules apply to Ei. Why wouldn't it? Ei is near his father in strength. V2 Ei's reaction time is off the charts, Sasuke could barely keep up with him.

Sasuke is a natural Uchiha and natural Sharingan user and yet he began losing sight of v2 Raikage Ei. Imagine Kakashi, who isn't a natural born Sharingan user and only he's one. Kakashi loses this one.

 

[iiDarui]

This is exactly what I am saying. You need manga evidence that A possesses knowledge on the Kamui. That is a very weak argument. That is pure speculation, fanfiction, and assumption all bundled into one. That's not how debates work on this site. Hell, even if you went on those websites that argue with simple paragraphs and not evidence, you'd still get shot down there. Purely assumption with no evidence whatsoever. Cannot back up this point until evidence is shown, so moving along quite hastily from this subject.

Lol you have no logic whatsoever. xD

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

He's fighting 5 opponents at the same time including Kakashi whom he is already aware of his power, just deal with the fact that he has every reason to go V2 right away and that by saying otherwise you are simply admitting that Kakashi doesn't stand a chance.

Current Kakashi can defeat alone for reasons I stated. In the math, there will be barriers set up by Kitsuchi, while Darui has full info, along with Black Lightning and the Storm Release Temari's wind to keep back. Asuma is practically useless here.
1. Raikiri IS piercing straight through Raiton Armour, you like it or not.

2. 3 tomoe > V1

3. This team and/or current Kakashi has counters for V2. Speed is not an issue due to being able to warp himself.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Lol you have no logic whatsoever. xD

Kid, my logic is straight from manga pages. You are speculating. Confirmed evidence/facts > assumption to back up your character = bias

 

[iiDarui]

Because he knew of minato's reputation and speed, and had full knowledge on FTG, so he decided to go in with top speeds. Kakashi, someone not known for his speed at all, only known as the Nina who is able to copy techniques, why would he feel the need to instantly go top speed? Even so, I've already debunked how he counters it and keeps up with Non-Lightning Straight speed A.

Minato isn't fast. Teleportation isn't speed. -.-

 

[EliteKakashi]

He and his father are said to be made of steel, metaphorically of course. I'm not sure why the Raikiri is even still in the debate. He won't get the chance to use it against v2 Raikage.

BUT, since it isn't confirmed that the Raikiri can pierce someone like Raikage, that whole Raikiri killing Ei in a single blow is invalid.

Yet again, the only thing strong enough to pierce Sandaime Raikage was himself. I'm guessing the same rules apply to Ei. Why wouldn't it? Ei is near his father in strength. V2 Ei's reaction time is off the charts, Sasuke could barely keep up with him.

Sasuke is a natural Uchiha and natural Sharingan user and yet he began losing sight of v2 Raikage Ei. Imagine Kakashi, who isn't a natural born Sharingan user and only he's one. Kakashi loses this one.

Chidori pierced Ei, just not all the way. Raikiri is a much more powerful version of chidori. I'm really not sure what there's not to understand about that. Raikiri is pretty much the same thing as hell stab in regards to piercing ability. Raikiri cut through v2 shrouds, it can cut through raiton armor.

And that's assuming the raikage starts off with v2. If he starts off with v1 and attacks Kakashi in a similar fashion to Sasuke, he's dead. That's all I'm saying.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

And V2 Ay is obliterating Kakashi's face whether you like it or not, I hope you realize that you are in a very disadvantageous situation right now since Kakashi has no hope of ever touching Ay since he can't physically react to his speed. The fact that he's fighting 5 opponents at the same time and that he will have to be constantly on his guard for incoming attacks proves that he will go V2 right off the bat since his V2 increases his reflexes.

Considering the facts Kakashi has teleported attacks as fast as A instantaneously and kept up with warp speed and you have not clicked on a single manga page I have posted and continously stay biased without posting a single page of evidence to back up your argument (such as A being able to knock heads off with a single punch), yeah you're definitely an amazing debater who is winning this debate, mos def. Also, if anything V2 weakens the reflexes. He has only been showing moving in a straight line with it, and could not react to when Minato threw the kunai and when Naruto leaped over his attack, despite being in V2. Being bias is not gonna get you anywhere, neither is speculation, and this goes for you and iiDarui. Get better at debating before attempting to do this again, and get unbias opinions.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Minato isn't fast. Teleportation isn't speed. -.-

Well, considering he has KCM Speed now which excels A's V2.. heh. That is besides the point, He began the fight because he knew of Minato's FTG and had full knowledge, so thought his top speed could counter.

 

[iiDarui]

Kid, my logic is straight from manga pages. You are speculating. Confirmed evidence/facts > assumption to back up your character = bias

don't appreciate being called a kid for I am no a kid. Knock it off.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Minato isn't fast. Teleportation isn't speed. -.-

Minato was extremely skilled at using body flicker. Teleportation wasn't the only reason he was considered the fastest ninja to ever live by Ei himself.

Couple of examples being:

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[EliteKakashi]

I wouldn't even be surprised if you didn't read the title, this is early part 2 Kakashi with very low stamina, I find it amusing that you're ignoring the fact that he never starts off a match using Kamui, you think Ay isn't going to use V2 right off the bat but Kamui is okay? Your stupidity and bias will never cease to make me smile, go learn to debate before getting yourself into this. Kamui is just as fast as amaterasu which Ay already dodged with ease in his V2, he isn't touching Ay with this, try again with better arguments next time. KCM Naruto stated that if Ay ever landed a punch on him it would have killed him, if you read the manga I wouldn't need to post scans but since you're ignorant.. The lightening armor is said to increase his reflexes on par with Minato, V2 is a superior version of V1 so obviously it increases his reflexes as well, you've been proven wrong for like the 5th time now I think, do you start to realize how ignorant you are? Learn to debate before embarrassing yourself any further.

Ei likely could dodge kamui, but just to clarify, Ei used v2 plus body flicker to dodge amaterasu.

One of the greatest speed feats ever, regardless.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

This guy is a condescending and arrogant child who thinks he's superior to everyone when he doesn't know jackshit about this manga, I'd love to humiliate him in a real debate.

Yeah, you're definitely an alt. I owned him earlier in a debate, no diffs.

Wanna debate? Any two characters that are in the same tier and hit me up. You say you know things about the manga, yet you have not posted a single manga page and you are basing your arguments off of speculation, fanfiction, and talking out of your ass overall, being bias for your character.

 

[iiDarui]

Considering the facts Kakashi has teleported attacks as fast as A instantaneously and kept up with warp speed and you have not clicked on a single manga page I have posted and continously stay biased without posting a single page of evidence to back up your argument (such as A being able to knock heads off with a single punch), yeah you're definitely an amazing debater who is winning this debate, mos def. Also, if anything V2 weakens the reflexes. He has only been showing moving in a straight line with it, and could not react to when Minato threw the kunai and when Naruto leaped over his attack, despite being in V2. Being bias is not gonna get you anywhere, neither is speculation, and this goes for you and iiDarui. Get better at debating before attempting to do this again, and get unbias opinions.

This part gave me syphilis. It stats as a FACT that Raiton no Yoroi, v1 or v2, heightens the reflexes of the user. Dodged Sasuke's line of sight while Mangekyou Sharingan was active?

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When using the armour at full power, it causes the tips of A's hair to spike up[1] and his reflexes are said to be comparable to those of Konoha's Yellow Flash, making it difficult even for the Sharingan to keep up with him.[2] By combining this armour with the Body Flicker Technique, he can even dodge Sasuke's Amaterasu and Jūgo's attack, both at point blank range. Only Minato Namikaze's Flying Thunder God Technique,[3] and Naruto Uzumaki while in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode are faster than A at his maximum speed, with the armour's maximum power.[4]

The armour also increases the user's defences, drastically reducing, if not completely negating, damage from incoming attacks as seen when A deflected a back attack from Sasuke's Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana.[5]