Ay vs Darui, Asuma, Temari, Kitsuchi and early part2 Kakashi

[EliteKakashi]

Either way, it won't kill him. He cut off his own hand like he was cutting paper and didn't ***** about it. One Raikiri will have effect, but death will not follow. And in any case, Raikage is too fast got Kakashi. Only reason Sasuke even landed the hit, was because he took him straight on. If he speed blitzes Kakashi and psyches him, an elbow bolt from behind or a guillotine drop from above will kill him. Kakashi's reaction time isn't the greatest as shown against Pein.

Getting stabbed in the heart will kill him...It's completely different than him getting rid of his arm. How could you even compare the two?

And Raikage seems to like taking people head on, he just doesn't give a shit. It will get him killed against smarter opponents who have the reaction feats/ability to pierce through..like Kakashi.

Kakashi has some of the best reaction feats in the manga(in large part due to his sharingan), what are you talking about? lol

 

[iiDarui]

Ikr, lmao. But it doesn't change the fact that if databook counters a logic by something it says, you basically have no argument at that point, unless the char has more in their arsenal to counter said logic. It's a confusing cycle and it's how debating works nowadays.

It's not confusing. You just have to have common sense and the will to use logic over databook info, which is hard for you to do and I understand that.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Either way, it won't kill him. He cut off his own hand like he was cutting paper and didn't ***** about it. One Raikiri will have effect, but death will not follow. And in any case, Raikage is too fast got Kakashi. Only reason Sasuke even landed the hit, was because he took him straight on. If he speed blitzes Kakashi and psyches him, an elbow bolt from behind or a guillotine drop from above will kill him. Kakashi's reaction time isn't the greatest as shown against Pein.

Doesn't change the fact that he is just a human coated in Lightning CHAKRA. Raikiri has been confirmed to have split an actual bolt of lightning. I might add that lightning travels so much faster than A, it isn't even funny.

A was unaware of the damage raikiri had. He just stated "that is some jutsu.."

Kakashi was able to warp a supersonic needle sent by Pein instantly, to which he didn't even notice at first, despite the immense insight Rinnegan uses. Lightning Straight IS straight on. Yeah, sasuke wouldn't have pulled it off if it was lightning straight, but when does A immediately open the fight with lightning straight with no knowledge? He only did that against minato due to having manga knowledge, he didn't go top speed against Naruto until having proven himself. Current Kakashi can get over Lightning Straight due to near FTG speed Kamui's, but pre-war kakashi cannot though.

 

[iiDarui]

Getting stabbed in the heart will kill him...It's completely different than him getting rid of his arm. How could you even compare the two?

And Raikage seems to like taking people head on, he just doesn't give a shit. It will get him killed against smarter opponents who have the reaction feats/ability to pierce through..like Kakashi.

Kakashi has some of the best reaction feats in the manga(in large part due to his sharingan), what are you talking about? lol

His reaction seem slowed against Tendo and Shurado in the Invasion of Pein arc. Sandaime and Yondaime Raikage's bodies are like armor themselves, without Raiton no Yoroi. In any case, Raikage's reaction time is quadrupled due to vamping himself up and increasing the power of his Raiton no Yoroi, as he was able to successfully dodge the Amaterasu (Karin even noted that his chakra at that point was on Bijuu level). Kakashi's reaction time isn't that fast, thus Ei will be able to grab his arm, crush his hand, and Liger Bomb him (no Susanoo skeleton to protect him).

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

It's not confusing. You just have to have common sense and the will to use logic over databook info, which is hard for you to do and I understand that.

The databook IS The logic of the narutoverse. You can't argue with it. Even if it is outdated (which is terrible flawed logic, despite not being able to argue with it in the first place), and two, most of the techniques have not even changed since, so their databook pages will not change. What you cannot grasp is that the databook cannot be argued against or upon, and if it shuts down your argument with it's confirmed FACTS, then it does, and you have no counter. Top tier debaters get stuck in that situation, don't worry. This is the last conversation I am having about this, the databook facts cannot be denied, the only thing that can be denied is stats since then.

 

[iiDarui]

Kakashi isn't landing a hit on V2 Ay so who cares about Raikiri?

True that bro.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Kakashi isn't landing a hit on V2 Ay so who cares about Raikiri?

If Raikage tries to take him head on(like he's seems to like doing), he will.

Kakashi with raikiri isn't exactly slow, either.

 

[iiDarui]

The databook IS The logic of the narutoverse. You can't argue with it. Even if it is outdated (which is terrible flawed logic, despite not being able to argue with it in the first place), and two, most of the techniques have not even changed since, so their databook pages will not change. What you cannot grasp is that the databook cannot be argued against or upon, and if it shuts down your argument with it's confirmed FACTS, then it does, and you have no counter. Top tier debaters get stuck in that situation, don't worry. This is the last conversation I am having about this, the databook facts cannot be denied, the only thing that can be denied is stats since then.

I'm not worried about getting stuck. I can admit defeat as you witnessed earlier. But there are countless "facts" in the outdated databook that can be argued against with logic. No doubt about that.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

I'm not worried about getting stuck. I can admit defeat as you witnessed earlier. But there are countless "facts" in the outdated databook that can be argued against with logic. No doubt about that.

Damn dude, that's true. Aside from the countless part, as there are reallyonly a handful. +reppin

 

[EliteKakashi]

His reaction seem slowed against Tendo and Shurado in the Invasion of Pein arc. Sandaime and Yondaime Raikage's bodies are like armor themselves, without Raiton no Yoroi. In any case, Raikage's reaction time is quadrupled due to vamping himself up and increasing the power of his Raiton no Yoroi, as he was able to successfully dodge the Amaterasu (Karin even noted that his chakra at that point was on Bijuu level). Kakashi's reaction time isn't that fast, thus Ei will be able to grab his arm, crush his hand, and Liger Bomb him (no Susanoo skeleton to protect him).

How did it seem slow?

You mean intercepting Deva's stab attempt on Iruka?

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Or swiftly ducking below Deva's kick?

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Or did you mean blitzing Asura from behind?

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The only time he was "slow" was when he was caught in the rinnegan's "genjutsu"(well, it's either that or the chakra disruption the rods are capable of..not exactly clear on what happened here).

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If Raikage comes at Kakashi like he came at Sasuke, Kakashi will do the exact same thing Sasuke did..except he would be successful in putting Ei down.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Incorrect, Ay is leagues above Kakashi speed-wise, even Sasuke couldn't physically react to his speed in V2, he had to utilize a jutsu with instant activation that require no body movement (Enton) Kakashi won't have time to do anything his head will be obliterated by one of his punch.

Guess you completely skipped over this:

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Raikage didn't go v2 until after his first attack failed. Why would he do different here?

 

[EliteKakashi]

Guess you forgot that he was in V1, not V2.

Hit enter too early on my post. Check the edit.

 

[iiDarui]

Doesn't change the fact that he is just a human coated in Lightning CHAKRA. Raikiri has been confirmed to have split an actual bolt of lightning. I might add that lightning travels so much faster than A, it isn't even funny.

A was unaware of the damage raikiri had. He just stated "that is some jutsu.."

Kakashi was able to warp a supersonic needle sent by Pein instantly, to which he didn't even notice at first, despite the immense insight Rinnegan uses. Lightning Straight IS straight on. Yeah, sasuke wouldn't have pulled it off if it was lightning straight, but when does A immediately open the fight with lightning straight with no knowledge? He only did that against minato due to having manga knowledge, he didn't go top speed against Naruto until having proven himself. Current Kakashi can get over Lightning Straight due to near FTG speed Kamui's, but pre-war kakashi cannot though.

Ei stated that Sasuke's Chidori was similar to that of Hatake Kakashi's. He obviously has knowledge on the jutsu. With that being said, what's stooping him from taking down Kakashi first with Lightning Straight or top speed Rariatto?

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Guess you forgot that he was in V1, not V2.

That's his point. He went V2 after his first onslaught failed. Doujutsu Sight > V1 A.

As for V2 A, kakashi has insta-kamuis as seen in the war.

 

[EliteKakashi]

He's literally fighting 5 opponents at the same time, he can't afford holding back so he will go V2 right away.

Maybe.. but he attacked who he thought was Madara Uchiha with

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. He's far too cocky to give a shit until someone shows they're actually capable of hurting him, it seems.

 

[iiDarui]

Damn dude, that's true. Aside from the countless part, as there are reallyonly a handful. +reppin

Respect for meeting at a mutual ground.

 

[iiDarui]

How did it seem slow?

You mean intercepting Deva's stab attempt on Iruka?

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Or swiftly ducking below Deva's kick?

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Or did you mean blitzing Asura from behind?

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The only time he was "slow" was when he was caught in the rinnegan's "genjutsu"(well, it's either that or the chakra disruption the rods are capable of..not exactly clear on what happened here).

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If Raikage comes at Kakashi like he came at Sasuke, Kakashi will do the exact same thing Sasuke did..except he would be successful in putting Ei down.

A single Raikiri would not bring down v1 or v2 Raikage Ei. Not in your wildest dreams.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Ei stated that Sasuke's Chidori was similar to that of Hatake Kakashi's. He obviously has knowledge on the jutsu. With that being said, what's stooping him from taking down Kakashi first with Lightning Straight or top speed Rariatto?

He's gotten ove Obito's Kamui Speed which cleared several kilometers instantly and proceeded to blitz him in his own dimension in one panel.

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and reaction kamui's like this

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[iiDarui]

That's his point. He went V2 after his first onslaught failed. Doujutsu Sight > V1 A.

As for V2 A, kakashi has insta-kamuis as seen in the war.

He knows of Kakashi's Kamui and Raikiri. He'd more than likely go into a fight with Kakashi in v2. I'm just saying.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

He knows of Kakashi's Kamui and Raikiri. He'd more than likely go into a fight with Kakashi in v2. I'm just saying.

He knew of raikiri, but underestimated it at first glance. Show me a manga page of him knowing about Kamui.