awakening the rinnengan (theory)

[Ryola Sukete]

Heyy I'm not sure there are other threads out there like this (on blackberry and can't check) so I'm making this thread just incase

As we all know the sage of six paths had two son (uchiha possesing his eyes and senju his body)

and the uzumaki clan are distant relative of the senju

So my theory is that the rinnengan is awakened when a full power sharingan (eternal mangekyou sharingan) is implanted into a senju body (combining the body and eyes of the six path sage)
Thus creating rinnengan

And uzumaki's being distantly related to senju allowed madara to implant his eyes into nagato (who madara let us know is an uzamaki with his comment on his hair) to awaken the rinnengan

And I know some will say he could have done this with the first hokage and I feel that cos the first may have died before he had chance to get his body meaning he could not do this

Which also explain why madara made clones using the 1st's dna (zetsu clones)
It may have been an attempt to recreate the 'perfect body' in which to implant his eyes


Part 2 of my theory is on why madara has a stock pile of uchiha eyes and that is simple that his eyes are currently the rinnengan so he need to use sharingan's from other uchiha's

Sorry for this being so long but what are your thoughts ??

 

[Schmack]

interesting theory indeed. sharingan + senju = rinnegan part is fresh. it's similar to all the tailed beasts combined = jyubi. and if your theory is true, then the fact that nagato's power was not as great as the sage's only makes sense. cuz nagato was not a full senju, but an uzumaki. props my man.

 

[Revan]

makes sense to me and would explain why madara doesnt use his ems anymore (since he gave it to nagato). however, there is no hint that it is that way, but well thought out. nice theory.

 

[GregTheGamer]

I like the idea that implanting the EMS into a descendant of the younger brother will form a Rinnegan, but I think there's only one Rinnegan which belonged to the Sage of the Six Paths, because in chapter 520 page 14 Kabuto says regarding edo tensei: 'that includes unique abilities like those afforded by the Sage of the Six Path's Rinnegan or Itachi's Sharingan.' But the picture shows Nagato and Itachi, and Tobi already said he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. I think Tobi found the Rinnegan and took it from the Sage's corpse (which was preserved out of honour imo) which he found out the location of when he read the Uchiha Tablet with EMS when he was still just Madara (I think EMS would reveal yet another depth of information between MS and Rinnegan).

This would also mean that it's very likely that within Kabuto's sixth coffin was the Sage of the Six Paths (minus the Juubi of course). Kabuto somehow found the location of his body thus Tobi saying 'How did you do this?' Nobody else would cause Tobi - currently the main villain who is uber powerful - to call Kabuto a madman. It would also be a secret that the Sage's body was preserved, thus why Kabuto said not to worry because he wouldn't tell anyone.

 

[JTjutsumaster]

hmmm...great observation.
I like your idea.
Well, it may be true that uchiha eternal Mangekyo sharingan mixed with an uzamaki creates a rinnegan, but Madara said that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. Because remember Nagato was still a child when he got the Rinnegan. And it showed that an enemy hurt Yuhiko (spelling) and Nagato Awakened the RInnegan and killed the enemy. It didn't say Madara was there to give him an Eternal Rinnegan. But The Rinnergan DID have something to do with Madara.

Madara HAD to have given Nagato the Rinnegan. He DEFFENATLY planned to give his EMS to an Uzamaki. So when he could, he could have a Rinnegan eye and an EMS eye.
I probably just made absolute nonsence and made no sense.

 

[Rihari]

yeah it does make sense but i dont see this happening or being true

 

[JTjutsumaster]

it would be soo cool if Kakashi Hatake was an Uzumaki and he found Sasuke's old eyes (lol the likes of finding Sasuke's MS lying on the ground ) Since he replaced his eyes with Itachis'. And Kakashi got the Rinnegan

 

[Bhil]

This could be true.

 

[Hawker]

Heyy I'm not sure there are other threads out there like this (on blackberry and can't check) so I'm making this thread just incase

As we all know the sage of six paths had two son (uchiha possesing his eyes and senju his body)

and the uzumaki clan are distant relative of the senju

So my theory is that the rinnengan is awakened when a full power sharingan (eternal mangekyou sharingan) is implanted into a senju body (combining the body and eyes of the six path sage)
Thus creating rinnengan

And uzumaki's being distantly related to senju allowed madara to implant his eyes into nagato (who madara let us know is an uzamaki with his comment on his hair) to awaken the rinnengan

And I know some will say he could have done this with the first hokage and I feel that cos the first may have died before he had chance to get his body meaning he could not do this

Which also explain why madara made clones using the 1st's dna (zetsu clones)
It may have been an attempt to recreate the 'perfect body' in which to implant his eyes


Part 2 of my theory is on why madara has a stock pile of uchiha eyes and that is simple that his eyes are currently the rinnengan so he need to use sharingan's from other uchiha's

Sorry for this being so long but what are your thoughts ??

I agree with you completely. Been thinking the same for awhile. Im surprised, 'cause it seems that most people that have replyed to this thread haven't think of that possibility. It seems very likely.

 

[Ryola Sukete]

I think the fact madara says he gave nagato the rinnegan IS the hint that he inplanted his ems into him inorder to gain the rinnegan

If (as someone mentioned) he found the six paths sage's body surely he would have just implanted them into himself to make him stronger why would he give them to someone else

Plus kishi wouldn't make it obvious that this is what happened that's not his style lol

And greg if there is only one rinnegan why is it nagato obtained them

I personally thin that combining the two halfs of the blood line is the way to create the rinnegan but a new thing that has occurred to me is that

The six path sage created the juubi (which must have taken a lot of chakra) so possible the biju was simply a host for his chakra and it was split into nine beast to stop anyone simply sealing it inside them to obtain the chakra

Maybe madras plan is one obtain the rinnegan (the eyes)
Two maybe to be with the black zetsu as there is still mystery about it and may be the body
And three combine the tailed beast to get the biju which he can then seal in him giving him limitless chakra
then making him undoubtedly the strongest ninja alive

 

[Ryola Sukete]

I think the fact madara says he gave nagato the rinnegan IS the hint that he inplanted his ems into him inorder to gain the rinnegan

If (as someone mentioned) he found the six paths sage's body surely he would have just implanted them into himself to make him stronger why would he give them to someone else

Plus kishi wouldn't make it obvious that this is what happened that's not his style lol

And greg if there is only one rinnegan why is it nagato obtained them

I personally thin that combining the two halfs of the blood line is the way to create the rinnegan but a new thing that has occurred to me is that

The six path sage created the juubi (which must have taken a lot of chakra) so possible the biju was simply a host for his chakra and it was split into nine beast to stop anyone simply sealing it inside them to obtain the chakra

Maybe madras plan is one obtain the rinnegan (the eyes)
Two maybe to be with the black zetsu as there is still mystery about it and may be the body
And three combine the tailed beast to get the biju which he can then seal in him giving him limitless chakra
then making him undoubtedly the strongest ninja alive

 

[Ryola Sukete]

I think the fact madara says he gave nagato the rinnegan IS the hint that he inplanted his ems into him inorder to gain the rinnegan

If (as someone mentioned) he found the six paths sage's body surely he would have just implanted them into himself to make him stronger why would he give them to someone else

Plus kishi wouldn't make it obvious that this is what happened that's not his style lol

And greg if there is only one rinnegan why is it nagato obtained them

I personally thin that combining the two halfs of the blood line is the way to create the rinnegan but a new thing that has occurred to me is that

The six path sage created the juubi (which must have taken a lot of chakra) so possible the biju was simply a host for his chakra and it was split into nine beast to stop anyone simply sealing it inside them to obtain the chakra

Maybe madras plan is one obtain the rinnegan (the eyes)
Two maybe to be with the black zetsu as there is still mystery about it and may be the body
And three combine the tailed beast to get the biju which he can then seal in him giving him limitless chakra
then making him undoubtedly the strongest ninja alive

Tho even ill agree this would be very lucky for me to have guessed this lol
But would explain why madra is after the tailed beasts

 

[Ryola Sukete]

Sorry guys about the repeated post no clue why that just happened

 

[GregTheGamer]

I think the fact madara says he gave nagato the rinnegan IS the hint that he inplanted his ems into him inorder to gain the rinnegan

If (as someone mentioned) he found the six paths sage's body surely he would have just implanted them into himself to make him stronger why would he give them to someone else

Plus kishi wouldn't make it obvious that this is what happened that's not his style lol

And greg if there is only one rinnegan why is it nagato obtained them

I personally thin that combining the two halfs of the blood line is the way to create the rinnegan but a new thing that has occurred to me is that

The six path sage created the juubi (which must have taken a lot of chakra) so possible the biju was simply a host for his chakra and it was split into nine beast to stop anyone simply sealing it inside them to obtain the chakra

Maybe madras plan is one obtain the rinnegan (the eyes)
Two maybe to be with the black zetsu as there is still mystery about it and may be the body
And three combine the tailed beast to get the biju which he can then seal in him giving him limitless chakra
then making him undoubtedly the strongest ninja alive

Tho even ill agree this would be very lucky for me to have guessed this lol
But would explain why madra is after the tailed beasts

The reason he'd have given Nagato the Rinnegan rather than keeping it for himself is because he could use Nagato like a puppet on strings, he could act indirectly using Nagato as a powerhouse without revealing himself - it protects his identity. In the event that he were to die, Tobi could be revived by Nagato's use of the Rinnegan technique which brings people back to life, but he can't do that if he possesses the eyes himself, because a dead person can't use them to bring themselves back to life - so it was a failsafe as well. Also if he implanted both eyes into himself when he found them, he would lose all benefits of the sharingan, his teleportation technique and his technique that allowed him to control the fourth mizukage were very useful and not to be thrown away lightly for something like the Rinnegan, when he could just put the Rinnegan in Nagato instead and keep his powerful sharingan abilities as well.

I don't think the Sage of the Six Paths created the Juubi, he created the tailed beasts from its chakra. Tobi's already said he wnats the tailed beasts so he can revive the Jubi.

 

[Ryola Sukete]

Thing is greg my theory states the teleport ability is not actually madaras it is from a different sharingan he is using (possibly the. Ability to control the mizukage is from another) remember he has a huge stock of different sharingan's

 

[GregTheGamer]

Thing is greg my theory states the teleport ability is not actually madaras it is from a different sharingan he is using (possibly the. Ability to control the mizukage is from another) remember he has a huge stock of different sharingan's

I don't think the ability to teleport is from Tobi's original sharingan either, I just made a thread about it actually. But regardless of whether it's his original sharingan he has access to the technique through someone elses, so it's not to be thrown away lightly.

Tobi with: Teleportation and Mind Control, plus all the abilities of the Rinnegan via Nagato > Tobi with: Telportation, no Mind Control, and all the abilities of the Rinnegan (minus the capacity to revive himself) > Tobi with: Teleportation, Mind Control, no Rinnegan capacity at all.

The last one was Tobi's power when Nagato died because he lost all access to the Rinnegan's power, now he's swapped it for his left sharingan eye which I think was the source of his mind control tech, but both are weaker than Tobi's total power when Nagato was still alive and bent to his will.

 

[longshot4450]

We will have to wait to see what Kishi comes up with in his gifted naruto universe mind....

 

[pein87]

I find this to be a bit off. Tobi is probably not directly saying he gave it to him. Its most likely indirectly because the manga and anime show him activating it when he was mad. First he killed those ninja who killed his family and then that rock ninja. I doubt Tobi had enough time to implant the eyes in to nagato that fast. We know that senju, uchiha, and uzumaki are three of the six paths that tobi mentioned. I bet tobi is claiming them as his since he is probably the reason for the start of the war and hence indirectly caused him to gain the rinnegan and this war spurred yahiko to create the akatsuki. You have to be mindful of the different ways things come to be. Either directly or indirectly. If you look at the rinnegan that tobi shows when he is casting izanagi the image has tome on it and this could be the sages rinnegan with nagato's being a watered down version. We know that to get the powers of the sage you have to get the powers of the uchiha and senju but we also know they are not the full lineage of the sage with the uzumaki also being descendent's of him. Why else would he say that nagato your the third of the six paths. I don't call tobi madara because he himself as only said he is and only those who have been lead to think he is say he is. He talks about himself in the third person as if he forgets to call himself madara far to much for him to actually be him. I'm sure we will find out the truth once nagato fights someone and possibly the back story. One last thing if those eyes weren't his why did his corpse from edo tensei have them? Sasori didn't come back as a puppet but in his original body so why did nagato come back with his rinnegan if it wasn't really his. I bet tobi uses those sharingan much like danzo did and its why he has so many of them to keep his transportation jutsu done or use izanagi. He is stocking up for a reason but even he refers to the rinnegan as "Nagato's Rinnegan" so you can't read to much into what he says.

 

[GregTheGamer]

I find this to be a bit off. Tobi is probably not directly saying he gave it to him. Its most likely indirectly because the manga and anime show him activating it when he was mad. First he killed those ninja who killed his family and then that rock ninja. I doubt Tobi had enough time to implant the eyes in to nagato that fast. We know that senju, uchiha, and uzumaki are three of the six paths that tobi mentioned. I bet tobi is claiming them as his since he is probably the reason for the start of the war and hence indirectly caused him to gain the rinnegan and this war spurred yahiko to create the akatsuki. You have to be mindful of the different ways things come to be. Either directly or indirectly. If you look at the rinnegan that tobi shows when he is casting izanagi the image has tome on it and this could be the sages rinnegan with nagato's being a watered down version. We know that to get the powers of the sage you have to get the powers of the uchiha and senju but we also know they are not the full lineage of the sage with the uzumaki also being descendent's of him. Why else would he say that nagato your the third of the six paths. I don't call tobi madara because he himself as only said he is and only those who have been lead to think he is say he is. He talks about himself in the third person as if he forgets to call himself madara far to much for him to actually be him. I'm sure we will find out the truth once nagato fights someone and possibly the back story. One last thing if those eyes weren't his why did his corpse from edo tensei have them? Sasori didn't come back as a puppet but in his original body so why did nagato come back with his rinnegan if it wasn't really his. I bet tobi uses those sharingan much like danzo did and its why he has so many of them to keep his transportation jutsu done or use izanagi. He is stocking up for a reason but even he refers to the rinnegan as "Nagato's Rinnegan" so you can't read to much into what he says.

Nagato was never actually shown without the Rinnegan as a child, therefore it can't be said that he was shown to have activated it. I think when Tobi says he gave Nagato the Rinnegan he means he literally gave it to him, and when Tobi says he spurred Yahiko to form Akutsuki he means he literally convinced Yahiko - possibly with the aid of his mind controlling jutsu - to form Akutsuki.

The reason the Rinnegan can't belong to Nagato naturally is because he was an Uzumaki, descendants of the younger brother, it was the older brother who inherited the Sage's eyes.

Nagato's corpse from Edo Tensei has them because he had them when he died, whether they were his originally is irrelevant, if Kakashi were to die and be revived by Edo Tensei he would still have his sharingan - even though it was originally Obito's.

The reason Sasori came back in his original body is because only his original body was ever alive, he couldn't be brought back from the dead as a puppet becuase puppets aren't ever alive in the first place to be brought back.

I think Tobi is really Madara, but not just Madara. He's still the same person with the same will, consciousness and intent. But he no longer possesses the EMS, and there's some secret that hasn't been revealed yet about his identity, there's a reason why he wears a mask and it's not because he's shy. Madara never wore a mask until his transformation into Tobi, there's something more to Tobi than there was to Madara which is yet to be revealed.

Could you link to a page where Tobi calls it 'Nagato's Rinnegan'. Even if he did say that it was probably when Nagato was still alive so it wouldn't be wrong to call it Nagato's even if they originally belonged to the Sage. In the same way you can call Kakashi's sharingan 'Kakashi's Sharingan' because it's in Kakashi's face and Kakashi uses it, even though it originally belonged to Obito.

 

[Heister]

The uzamaki are related to the senju, then by common knowledge they have to be related to the Uchiha.

If that is so, that means the Uzamaki probably had the ability of both the eyes and body of the sage. Which would probably explain the reason why they have such large chakra pool and why nagato was able to unlock the rinnegan.

Madara probably just gave him his EMS and unlocked the rinnegan