Avengers sucked
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TheVideoSoup
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Ok....let's get some sh** cleared up.
why did hawkeye seem to have unlimited arrows? was he pulling them out of his ass?
No. Hawkeye didn't have unlimited arrows, but he did have alot. If you look at his supply, he is packing about close to 50 arrows. He only fires about 20-30 shown on screen. During off time, he could be re-supplying or not firing at all.
infantile dialogue with constant attempts at humour even when completely inappropriate
Apparently, you haven't seen their origin films. In all of their individual films, they are cocky (not to mention the infinite sarcasm of Tony Stark), and have made numerous jokes. Who's to say they can't add a little comedy into an action packed film?
unexplained plot devices and nonsensical crap, like hulk suddenly abel to control himself.
The line "...I'm always angry." clearly overrides your point. Things that make him angry makes him lose all control and become irritated. But, if he's always angry, he's able to make HIMSELF angry, causing it to control it at his will, and not unleash his fury at something else that has caused it.
i got tired of downy jr's "witty banter" in iron man 1. hes supposed to have wised up by now and become more serious.
Throughout the comics, Tony Stark (aka Iron Man) is constantly drunk and constantly witty and sarcastic. It's in his nature. This makes the constant comedy relief more believable, due to him just being,..well..."Tony Stark".
would it kill them to hold the camera still?
It's an action film...so, yes. It would hurt them.
did they ever explain how loki survived his fall? was the MAIN VILLAIN's story not important to these writers?
*SPOILER ALERT* During the scene when Thor is trapped in Loki's holding cell, and he goes plummeting to the Earth at a fast rate, he somehow survives. That's because Loki and Thor come from a very strong race of people and can take a sh** load of damage. They're Gods...so, yeah. There ya go.
why did they introduce fury becoming bad and building nukes and shit if it went nowhere? did the writers just forget?
*SPOILER ALERT* ...ok. Now you're just not watching the film. Nick Fury clearly was against the plan of dropping a bomb on Manhattan. Which is why he alerts Iron Man to divert the nuke.
Overall, alot of your "points" are merely opinions, and it seems you haven't read alot of the background history of most of these characters. I highly suggest you get your facts straight next time before trashing an overall epic film.
Easyfathom
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Was an amazing movie!
I will admit that they stuck a joke in every place they could, and the hulk not only being able to control himself, but instead of pure anger and rage, he was doing funny/caring actions... kinda of ruined the hulk's image imo.
The film was really good and I recommend any one who is not sure weather to go or not TO GO
I will admit that they stuck a joke in every place they could, and the hulk not only being able to control himself, but instead of pure anger and rage, he was doing funny/caring actions... kinda of ruined the hulk's image imo.
The film was really good and I recommend any one who is not sure weather to go or not TO GO
NarutoVsGoku
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speaking of constant bitching.... how about you just go ask your mommy to heat you up a nice cup of hot "shut the fukk up" chocolate and bake you some warm chocolate chip "get the fukk out" cookies...
they are humans (for the most part) and are all very uncomfortable about being teamed up with strangers so they are going to disagree, bicker and fight. besides how else are we going to see epic fights like Ironman vs Thor, or Thor vs Hulk and Hulk vs Black Widow?!
and the bickering and clashing between them all is what made the movie interesting. we got to see a group of unstable people band together, put their differences aside and use teamwork to save the world. thats the point of Avengers movie. fool. without that this movie would have been boring.
he is still the Hulk. but he has some control. as shown when he stomped that monster and transformed on will. Banner is able to aim his anger and aim Hulk.
also Banner was in a very stressful situation that moment and he is going to transform when his life is in danger. just like he tried to put a bullet in his mouth and was saved by the Hulk because in a life threatening situation he will transform.
they vaguely knew about each other. just bearly, and they all met for the first time. they are not going to be all chummy chummy just because they are superheroes.. this is The Justice League or The Power Rangers you dumbass.
it was your just an idiot
Black Widow and Hawkeye arent normal humans. they are the worlds best agents and fighters. they are superhero status moron.
they werent depowered. you need to just quit it cuz you know nothing about Marvel except what you saw in movies, and you cant even comprehend the movies so just stop this already... or quit trolling.........
LIKE I SAID AGAIN....IF YOU WERE A REAL MARVEL FAN YOU WOULD KNOW THOR, CAPT, IMAN AND HULK ARE ALL EQUAL
it was epic. it made no sense to you and no it did not contradict a thing. you are either extrememly stupid or trolling.........
having power does not make one a dangerous villian. Joker in Dark Knight for example. Joker does not have any powers what so ever but he was dangerous and a threat with out argue. Joker was a terrorist. so was Loki. and yes Hulk is going to "pig slop" Loki cuz he is Hulk. and Cap is going to be on par with Loki cuz he is Capt. Captain America is not leader of the Avengers for shits and giggles
no he shouldnt. the movie did a great job on portraying Loki. Loki is the god of mischief. he creates mischief. his powers is trickery and pulling the ultimate pranks.. did you really expect him to be some all powerful entity?!?! are you even familiar with Marvel comics Loki?!?!
and Loki had an army that would have easily took over the world had it not been for the avengers.
just please shut the fuk up already you make yourself look stupider each time you comment on the avengers.
are you dissing Avatar now? wow do you know what a good movie looks like?
Cap was the voice of teamwork and order in this movie. he led everyone to battle. he went to fight and saw citizens in danger and he focused on them. Captain America is the superhero that no matter how famous or powerful he is he will think about the common people first.
it was pretty clear that Cap was in charge when the police asked him "why should i listen to you". that symbolically answered your question "why was Cap even there"
Black Widow is an expert on interrogation and pychology. she got Banner to join, she figured out what Loki was after in the base, she brought Hawkeye back to normal, she deactivated the portal that ceased the frost giants from coming.
why are you so facinated with Thors d!ck?! the movie was called the "Avengers"... not "Thor 2"... i think i finally figured you out. your not a troll nor stupid.. just a stupid trolling fanboy... emphasis on the word fanboy
because they all have their own strengths and weaknesses and together they are able to rely on each others strengths and make up for each others weaknesses.. there was many things that Thor and Ironman could not do that Cap and Black Widow could like saving the civilians, bring the group together, pyscho profiling Loki, deactivating the portal.....
Thor does not have the wit nor brains of Stark and would never had thought of using the nuke to blow up the mother ship...
Ironman is always the witty, sarcastic, narcissitic, playboy, gigilo, man **** of the team. he does have a heart, he does have his serious moments, he is a genius, he will figure out a way to beat the enemy becuase he has a sense of morals as well. he is no different in what he was in ironman 1, the second half of ironman 1, ironman 2 and avengers. he was the same Tony Stark throughout all 3 movies. you do not have a concept of what a dynamic character is. nor a concept of Marvel Ironmans character.
Tony Stark did not take it as a joke when he almost died from throwing the nuke at the mothership.. he became serious when he needed to but his character is to be the comic relief sarcasstic ass.
no its an comic based action movie with humor. it was funny so anybody, whether hardcore comic fans or noobs could enjoy. there is never nothing wrong with humor. but even in humorous situations there was something serious to be taken in. Hulk "pig slopping" Loki was humorous but it showed that Hulk does not care if Loki is a god and will do what ever he wants. Ironmans witty comments showed that he is a witty guy.
stop bitching about the humor. your like a bitch with an ugly face and no tits and ass, you are no fun.
Phil was in Ironman 2 and Thor. he was a key character. based on Phil Coulson, an shield agent in the comics
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like i said if you knew about Marvel you wouldnt be spewing such ignorant garbage. you dont know shit about what you are talking about..
Ironman never put his life at risk at the level he did in Avengers.
Tony in Ironman 1 learned that weapons were dangerous and changed his company from making weapons to helping the community. he was still the show off Tony Stark, as evident when he flashily tells the world that he is Ironman.
anyways you dont know about Ironman in Marvel comics so your arguements are invalid.............
get over it...... and everybody knows by now in these marvel movies theres always something special in the credit.. when the Avengers ended nobody in the movie theater even got up out of their seats. because everyone knew there was something to be expected at the end...
they were beaten so easily because we had a Hulk......
Black Widow held her weight and idk what movie you were watching but in the movie i was watching Black Widow never needed rescueing nor was she ever rescued by Ironman or Thor.... she is a superhero btw, if you actually knew anything about Marvel you would know that.. i doubt that you even knew Black Widow or Hawkeye existed before the movies... how old are you 10?
im probably argueing with a 10 year old that has never even heard about Captain America or Thor until they got their own movies.. how can i expect you to know Black Widow or Hawkeye when you only know about Marvel comics through its movies? noob...
it jsut portrayed Black Widows skills... stop hating already..
ok i think you are very confused on the nukes.. let me explain now read carefully. everyone was mad at Fury for planning to use the cube to make weapons. Fury claims the weapons would be used to defend agaisnt people that are not from earth like the Asgardians...
Fury was agaisnt using the nuke and the "world leaders" used it anyways agaisnt his consent. now i dont care if your an asgardian or a frost giant but a nuke is going to do damage. at least thats what the "leaders" were hoping. they just wanted to do anything they could to get rid of the frost bites. usually in movies when a city is overrun by an uncontrollable danger they nuke it....
like Captain America said... there is only one God and he doesnt dress like that (Thor)...
anyways god is their titles but Thor and the other Asgardians are just extremely strong versions of humans. btw fyi the Asgardians arent immortals, they are also mortals, which basically means can die.... fukkin noob
an Asgardian... meaning Loki. dumbass... and the frost giants are from Asgard so same difference.
Cap is not going to allow a lightning bolt go to his face but he can sure tank it with his shield.. how dumb are you exactly...? didnt you see that he completely tanked a hammer attack from Thor?!?! did you watch the movie or did you just hear it from your friends?
Banner was pretty reserved throughout the movie. the fact that they didnt trust each other nor were comfortable with each other was the reason why they were bickering. its human nature.
ooooooh you thought wrong... like i said before you probably didnt know who Hawkeye or Black Widow were before the movies came out. lol stupid noob you thought just because Cap, Iman, Thor and Hulk had their own movies that they would be the only Avengers?! dumbass everyone knew Black Widow and Hawkeye would be in it when we saw them in Iman 2 and Thor..
you probably didnt even know Nick Fury did during the spoilers after credits. you probably thought Samuel L Jackson was going to go jedi knight on them huh?!?! lol
the movie itself proves your point invalid
you dont even know what plot is.. you cant even comprehend the 6 movies that make up the avengers movies and you know nothing about marvel comics or its superheros and your trying to tell people what were "plot devices"... stfu and stick to reading naruto....
its because we had a Hulk
Thor explained that magic in his world is actually just science in ours.. you must have missed that part too.. so to explain it scientifically, a blow to the head can cause brain damage, memory loss, personality loss etc. so yea it makes sense that hitting Hawkeye on the head will negate brain washing.....
you mad bro?
they all had a personal reason to invest in the war that added to the reason of saving the world moron... but you didnt understand that much now did you?
you just said Batman is a small fly to supes?!?!?!?!?!
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like i said if you were familar with the comics than you would know the answers to these dumbass questions of yours.... what can steve rogers do that compares?!?! bitch please... go watch the Avengers animated movie alone and comeback to me....
1, its all fictional
2. the asgardians being gods is just a title. they arent immortal nor are they truly gods.
3. Black Widow and Hawkeye are not normal humans. they are to marvel what Batman, Robin, and Green Arrow are to DC.
no its not because in dragonball z there is never a moment where a group of bad guys are defeated by the z warriors using teamwork. whenever they use teamwork they fail and who comes to save the day? Goku...
its more like One Piece where the whole crew puts in work and defeats a group of bad guys. despite wether having extreme powers or being weak the whole Strawhat Crew puts in work and wins their battles. they are all important, play specific roles and are crucial to a succesful win agaisnt opponents. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are like the Captain America, Ironman and Thor while Nami and Usopp are like the Black Widow and Hawkeye...
if you know about OP than you should understand this analogy very well and get the point. i doubt you know OP tho. you dont understand the importance of teamwork or the beauty of seeing diverse characters with unique abilities working together. you have the mindset of a DBZ fan where power levels and having one person who is the strongest to save the world is the only important thing. you must also be a Bleach fan. i hate Bleach btw....
im not encouraging suicide. im encouraging you to kill yourself. im not cyberbullying im just encouraging you to go kill yourself..
he attacked earth because he was a pawn in a plan made by someone greater than him.
what motivated him was his thrist for power. he could not be the next king in asgard because his older brother was to be king. he tried to be king through trickery but was found out and punished. as a way to say "fuk you" to his dad and brother he intends to rule the earth.
if he cant be king of asgard than the next best thing is ruler of the earth. besides its the planet that his brother, the one he hates and is jealous of, loves dearly so it gives him an oppurtunity to get revenge on his brother
telling the people that he will rule them because humans likes to be ruled is his arrogance and pride talking. he thinks he is above humans. besides its what any narcisstic, sociopathic dictator would say.
fool dont try to play my level of intelligence when its fairly clear that you are border line retarded.... for you to say it seems that he had unlimited arrows when in the movie it clearly shows that he ran out of arrows is just an epic fail on your part.
besides he is Hawkeye, of course he is going to have a bunch of arrows. his main weapon of choice is a bow and arrows... dumbass.....
do not be mistaken.. i had to quote you cuz our stupid and potentially trollish thread actually made people who didnt watch the movie think it was bad when it was one of the best superhero movies of all times. the Avengers will go down in history as some of the bests with the first Superman with Christopher Reeves and The Dark Knight with Heath Ledger as Joker.
Avengers wasnt good.. it was great. 200 million in the first weekend alone says it was great. 200 million says your thread is a fail
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-The Agent-
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Nah Not the whole movie.Thor didn't get beat by Iron Man, Iron man just outsmarted him. Thor used electricity to make Iron man 3 times as powerful by increasing the suit's power to 300%, and it still wasn't enough to put a dent into Thor. That actually shows Thor's strength. It also shows how strong Captain America's shield was seeing as it could withstand an attack from Thor's hammer. A hammer that the hulk wasn't even able to pick up. Each character had their strength and weaknesses. Thor is stronger than Iron Man, but Iron Man can outsmart him. Etc. That seems balance to me seeing as Thor is considered a "God".
The whole movie wasn't based off of their bickering lol. Their bickering totaled to about 10 min of the movie xd but that's because of their personality clash in the beginning. Nobody had chemistry with each other mainly because of their different personalities. But they all worked together when shit got real.
Leopancakes
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Avengers was a very fun to watch, fairly stupid movie. Let's count the stupid:
The opening with Hawkeye being mind controlled? Why should I care? Who is he? Just another soldier? One who hangs out on catwalks like a weird voyeur?
And what was the point of capturing and keeping him controlled him in the first place? What is achieved?
Loki wants to be captured? His plan is to use Hulk on the Helicarrier? Why? To disrupt the Avengers? To disrupt SHIELD? Outside of Thor, who are the Avengers to Loki? He clearly holds them in contempt, just look at his dismissal of the Hulk later in the film for evidence of that. Why have a master plan to take out insects?
And if it was to take out SHIELD... why? They're a threat to him? When he has the cube and can create impenetrable force fields?
Even then... The people behind SHIELD were going to solve everything with a nuke. In fact, Loki probably would have lost much earlier if the Avengers had all died on the Helicarrier. The city would have been nuked. No Iron man to save it. The end.
Bottom line: Loki's plans make little sense. That makes for a stupid movie.
The Hulk's sudden ability to control himself is just dumb. Banner was panicked after his first change. The first thing he wants to know is if he hurt anyone. Later, he just Hulk's out and is cool with it.
The Black Widow cowering in hiding long after Thor engaged the Hulk? Weak. Her concern over somebody we know almost nothing about? Weak. Her reasons for concern being this "debt" because she used to be bad and killed people and he "saved" her? Cliche.
Hawkeye being "cured" by a bump on the head. More stupid.
The mind controlled scientist building in a fail-safe so they could penetrate the impenetrable shield? Very stupid.
This movie was fun to watch. It really was. It's totally worth it to see. But the hype around it is just absurd. This movie is NOT above criticism. It's a fun, dumb, film. It's not as good as most of the other major marvel films, and it's even less good when you have little knowledge of said films or the comics they were based on.
Feel free to love the movie. Feel free to call it epic. Feel free to see it again and again.
But don't deny it's very real flaws.
The opening with Hawkeye being mind controlled? Why should I care? Who is he? Just another soldier? One who hangs out on catwalks like a weird voyeur?
And what was the point of capturing and keeping him controlled him in the first place? What is achieved?
Loki wants to be captured? His plan is to use Hulk on the Helicarrier? Why? To disrupt the Avengers? To disrupt SHIELD? Outside of Thor, who are the Avengers to Loki? He clearly holds them in contempt, just look at his dismissal of the Hulk later in the film for evidence of that. Why have a master plan to take out insects?
And if it was to take out SHIELD... why? They're a threat to him? When he has the cube and can create impenetrable force fields?
Even then... The people behind SHIELD were going to solve everything with a nuke. In fact, Loki probably would have lost much earlier if the Avengers had all died on the Helicarrier. The city would have been nuked. No Iron man to save it. The end.
Bottom line: Loki's plans make little sense. That makes for a stupid movie.
The Hulk's sudden ability to control himself is just dumb. Banner was panicked after his first change. The first thing he wants to know is if he hurt anyone. Later, he just Hulk's out and is cool with it.
The Black Widow cowering in hiding long after Thor engaged the Hulk? Weak. Her concern over somebody we know almost nothing about? Weak. Her reasons for concern being this "debt" because she used to be bad and killed people and he "saved" her? Cliche.
Hawkeye being "cured" by a bump on the head. More stupid.
The mind controlled scientist building in a fail-safe so they could penetrate the impenetrable shield? Very stupid.
This movie was fun to watch. It really was. It's totally worth it to see. But the hype around it is just absurd. This movie is NOT above criticism. It's a fun, dumb, film. It's not as good as most of the other major marvel films, and it's even less good when you have little knowledge of said films or the comics they were based on.
Feel free to love the movie. Feel free to call it epic. Feel free to see it again and again.
But don't deny it's very real flaws.
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Leopancakes
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Seriously? You make alot of "If you knew Marvel Comics" claims here towards people. If that's your platform then you should already know that Agent Coulson was created in the films and only very recently added to the comics so that they would more closely match the films. He's not a character with much history at all.
USSJ Future Trunks
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in the movie canon this was never the case. making it either a stupid plot device at the convieniance of making hulk an ally, or a plot hole. if hes always angry and therefore able to "aim" his power how come he attacked natasha?
then you have also no reason to care and therefore no reason to order me to stop complaining. since you care so little if i liked it or not
because in none of those movies do they force humour down our throat. but avengers is seemingly primarily a comedy and everything else is secondary
i dont care. the movie established a character arc and avengers ignored it. tony at the end of iron man 1 or even the end of 2 should not have been this much of a wisecracking jerk in avengers. hes not dying anymore and hes not selling guns anymore. he has no reason to be a ****.
and therin lies the problem. CONSTANT comic releif. we dont want nor need it. it deflates all tension when its in inappropriate places
in good action films i can actually tell whos hitting who
he wasnt against BUILDING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE
whats his personality? his family? the reason he joined shield? his motivations? his connection to nick? we dont know because no one cares about this empty vessel character
which is bogus. why is it that strong? if they can make a material like that on earth what the **** do they need thor and iron man for?
thor not knowing energy makes iron man stronger isnt outsmarting him
your opinion ONLY. how much money you make is not the mark of whether a film is good or bad. look how much money revenge of the sith made. people went into it knowing it was gonna be just as terrible as the first two.
no 200 million says it was popular. popular =/= good. the billions that twilight has made speaks for itself. as does the billions the star wars prequels made.
let people think what they want. i didnt like it. doesnt mean no one has to go see it for themselves. one bad review should hardly discourage anyone. it never discouraged me. for ****s sake i thought battleship was better than avengers because at least it took itself seriously.
thats a big title and avengers IMO will never reach those heights no matter how much money it makes. dark knight rises just might, same with amazing spiderman. those movies embody how comic book movies should be. dark and edgy but with a sense of adventure.
lol no it wont. all reviews have at best said it was entertaining, on the same level as iron man 1. and at worst people called it like spiderman 3. i enjoyed spiderman 3 so id put avengers on the same level as fantastic four rise of silver surfer. a true trainwreck.
you lack basic comprehension. just because he literally ran out of arrows (after taking ****ing FOREVER to do so) does not make him NOT seem to have unlimited arrows. i was speaking metaphorically and figuratively.
wrong. that was someone elses plan. his own reasoning is not to be a pawn.
did you see that deleted scene? loki was LITERALLY HANDED the throne by his adoptive mother. a quote from thor
"I NEVER WANTED THE THRONE! i only ever wanted to be your equal!"
how being a tyrant on earth equates to being thors equal, ill never know. they rewrote a great character and made him a typical "i wanna take over the world" 60's bond villan. disgusting writing at its worst.
i know lokis insane and all but hurting people who have nothing to do with thor doesnt mean anything. loki in thor was a complicated man who always lived in thors shadow and just wants to spoil his day and become his equal as an asgardian. after learning the truth, he wants to become a hero even if he has to commit genocide and trickery to do it. lying to thor about his dad and trying to order his death was part of that. thor was a hotheaded fool who would have led them all into a devasting full scale war had he been handed the throne. loki didnt know the extent to which thor had become compassionate and loving, and by the time thor revealed hed changed, loki got pissed off because again thor had overtaken him. loki was again eclipsed. so he tried to kill him again in revenge for stealing what should be loki's, his people's respect. as a frost giant he had felt betrayed and lied to his ENTIRE LIFE. so what he wanted was to make odin proud by killing the frost giants completely and stopping a galactic war. thor again got in his way which made him even more pissed off. now do you understand the complexity and greatness of this villain? theres alot more going on inside him at the end of thor than the cartoony bond villain in avengers. and therefore we CARE. we care what happens to this poor boy because we are emotionally invested in both hero and villain. we root for the hero and feel sorry for the villain. that is how good writing is done. if you cant make your villain a terrifying inhuman douche (joker) you need to make him a complex emotional man with some morality and outlook on the world (loki in thor). loki in avengers ruined all that by not even being a shred of his former self. hes gone crazy and lost sight of all his original goals and gets used like a pawn. real loki is too smart to ever be tricked like that. and real lokis not some cackling maniac bent on world domination. why on earth would he care about humans when his two goals are making his father proud and stopping his brother from causing a war? why do a 180 in such a short time? they never explained this and it made his character not scary nor sympathetic. only cliche. "i have an army" really? he never needed one last time.
thats exactly what i told you his motivation in this movie was. dont repeat it back to me
so suicide doesnt consist of me taking my own life? encouraging one to commit the act of murdering themselves is not bullying one? if you truly believe that your as bad as those who think itachis a hero and try to justify genocide and mental rape.
saibamen, ginyu force (namely when its goku in ginyus body), cell and androids, kid boo himself (goku and vegeta and mr boo working together), king piccolos men, tullece henchmen, coolas armoured squad, all the gt villains.
when has goku truly won a major battle completely alone with no help besides maybe piccolo jr and yakon?
from what ive seen (morgan through to crocodile and enel), they fail and only handle the smaller fry nearly dying while doing so, while luffy handles the main villain on his own. and once the main villains defeated, any living smaller fry run away.
no i have the mindset of a superhero film. if your a normal human in a universe of green monsters and gods, you should take care to stay out of their damn way.
they are still incredibly powerful. they might as well be gods compared to powerless humans
as i said they might as well be normal humans next to hulk and thor
bitch please. what matters is the live action series. this is what the thread is about. if they cant put sensical information in these movies then they need a disclaimer at the start "go read marvel comics before watching otherwise this movie will suck buttballs" since they didnt have that you cannot use comics to defend it.
what matters is the movies
which is retarded. you should not need one if your a truly decent human being
why would i be a nerd and know everything about what i dont read? of course i can comprehend the movies. they are well written (besides avengers). are you denying it was a plot device? not all plot devices are bad.
what does that have to do with anything?
if im mad you made me this way
its still magic
in that case a hit on the head will erase the rampaging hulk personality and make him a *****.
of course not because the movies didnt even bother developing them as people AT ALL. why SHOULD i care about their random shoved in irrelevant backstory?
the only deserving avengers since they are the ones who actually have powers. and if the movies are leadups to a teamup of superheroes, shouldnt the avengers be a team of actually super people and people we actually care about and have developed? this is why adhering to the comics too loyally is a bad idea. before iron man 2 (and after it) we had no idea who nick fury was and we still really dont know anything about him despite him being pretty much the leader of the entire thing. we are given no reason to care when loki tries to kill him.
no they didnt. many including me watch only the movies. when i heard about avengers, i thought "nice a teamup of all the powerful people" but what do i get in the trailer? two random humans who look ridiculously weak and out of place in a team of monstrously powerful people.
i did after buying the iron man dvd. but WHO WILL DO THAT? who in the hell puts crucial plot points after everyones already gone home? no one can garuntee they will buy the dvd meaning everyone was lost and confused in iron man 2 when he showed up, no explanation as to who he was and his purpose.
so his shield and reaction times are on par with a lightning bolt now? thats one strong serum..
yep and thats the cause of my anger and thors depowering.
jodenheim (or whatever) is not asgard. lokis not an asgardian as seen when he turns blue whenever frost giant technology touches him
and he would know? oh wait it was just another joke shoved down our throats.
obviously they can die as the frost giants proved. but thor is the leader and therefore strongest. hes not a typical asgardian.
she ran from hulk and needed saving by thor did she not? she ran from aliens and was saved by hawkeye and cap was she not?
no she isnt. there is nothign super about her. her skills as a spy is posessed by many other humans who should have taken her place in the marvel universe. fury did the worst he possibly could by ignoring real superheroes and choosing her. as far as im aware, spiderman, daredevil, and FF4 are in the same marvel earth as these guys. so why couldnt he go get them? did he just forget?
if i have to read the comics to understand a MOVIE, the movie failed as a film.
who DOES know that outside of 30 year old nerds?
i heard of them but sure didnt know what they could do or what their personalities were. actually i heard of thor and his hammer from a history and culture book about vikings. so your right i was surprised when thor was revealed to me as a comic book hero
thats how you defend this trash? repeating the same tony stark one liner over and over?
wrong. i actually had to warn the girl next to me to stay longer when the credits came up since id been told beforehand thanos would show up in mid credits. and i only knew that cos i went on imdb for spoilers. how many would do that besides me?
maybe in your theatre. certainly not in mine.
i should have been told all i need to know in the movies. if the movies were actually written well.
haha...no they arent.
how much difference is there in fighting aliens than fighting terrorists and the russian dudes robot army?
then why did the humor take precedence over the story?
none of the other movies were this funny and everyone still loved them
there is everything wrong with humor if shoved down the audiences throat during important scenes
that phrase makes absolutely no sense. type properly.
iron man never taking anything seriously and making constant one liners shows hes a jerk whos forcing jokes at people expecting them to laugh.
how am i no fun? ive told you movies i like. many of them are hilarious. avengers was funny for all the wrong reasons and its humour was in the wrong movie
no he isnt. he was narcissistic and a playboy in the beginning of iron man 1 but tony has changed for the better. or did at the end of iron man 1.
"i finally understand what i have to do"
vs
"we have a hulk".
i choose iron man 1's tony.
he needed to be serious THE ENTIRE MOVIE. THE WORLD IS IN ****ING DANGER AND HE STANDS AROUND EXPECTING EVERYONE TO LAUGH WITH HIM WHEN IM LAUGHING AT HIM.
wrong
VERY wrong. iron man 2 he was a depressed drunk until he grew out of it thanks to his fathers video. iron man 1 he went from a cocky playboy jerk who makes nukes to a pacifist hero who does what he needs to do for the greater good. in avengers hes back to being the cocky playboy jerk who makes a joke out of EVERYTHING. the constant attempts by downy jr to make every iron man scene funny is a desperate attempt at reliving when tony was actually allowed to be a sarcastic ass (first half of iron man 1)
no they dont. thor has absolutely no weaknesses and hulk after getting control of himself SOMEHOW also doesnt. when does captain america fill in someone elses weakness?
thor cant do that?
why was a group necessary? they have thor and hulk for ****s sake. none their equal.
that just proves steve and hawkeye were useless then. they hit down a few aliens at best. thats it
wrong. they followed their own reasoning to go to battle. no one told them to except nick fury. cap only began to be a leader for the humans and natasha at the VERY END. otherwise he was just a fish out of water along for the ride.
he wasnt there. you could tkae him out of that battle scene and it would be unchanged. he bashed a few aliens. SO? SO? and no one wanted to take his orders because hes dumber than stark, weaker than thor and less knowledgeable about SHIELD and the aliens than natasha.
banner would have joined whether he liked it or not. thats how SHIELD rolls. any idiot can and it achieved nothing because she almost got killed by hulk anyway and needed rescuing.
not avatar?
your right and it should have been called iron man 3.
it completely destroyed the complexity of his character. hes the god of trickery meaning he shouldnt have been tricked by a ****ing human or ****ing aliens.
i know he went evenly with thor himself on the bridge. needing an army in this movie disintegrates his character even more. really what his greatest strength should be is turning the avengers against each other. he tries that once and fails miserably.
wrong. he would have takne over the world had it not been for thor iron man and hulk.
yes it does. a weak ***** is given no reason to be threatening. if you cant make your villain powerful and dangerous and smart, you better make him sympathetic and interesting. thats what thor did with loki. he isnt the most dangerous and ruthless, nor is he the strongest. hes not intended to be. but he is reasonably strong, and will not lose to just anyone. his power pretty much is what the movie writers say it is.
joker was not up against people with powers. if he was in the superman comics he would die in the blink of an eye. he did what he did to gotham because no one could stand up to him and his army of crooks except batman.
cap being on par with loki makes loki not a threat. he relies on his army and if the army is the threat and main villains why do we know nothing about them?
you got that right.
correct
then why is it that you need to support the avengers plot holes with information not from the movie itself?
i should not have to be a "real marvel fan" to understand and enjoy a movie. the movies previously did not portray these people as equals. thor fought a giant ass destroyer thing. hulk fought the army, iron man fought other people with robot suits and cap fought nazis. its clear how the power scale goes here.
wrong. i know the movies well as i own a few of them, and i know enough to tell they are weaker than their comic versions or at least their strongest incarnations
in a world of SUPERhumans where you can be as good an agent as you like, you still wont hurt hulk, they are normal as normal can get
lol your whole reasoning is just "i disagree therefore you must be an idiot for not conforming to what i say is good or bad"
they have no reason to hate and bicker IMMEDIATELY
im not asking for it to lack that. im asking for good writing in which these people behave like forty year old superheroes whove mastered control over their powers
your not even close. you think if someone doesnt like what you do like they must be a stupid fanboy who doesnt know what they are talking about. fine avengers is teh greatest thing eva and you were right about every single point. happy?
yes. now will you leave me alone about the subject?
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Jayaraman MinatoItachi
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it didnt stand up to the hype
its fun to watch i liked it about as much as iron man 1 & 2 (which i DO like) but it DOESNT deserve all the attantion and record setting at all, its a story that is beeing used too often these days, 80% of the humor makes you laugh at first (at times) but later you regreet because you see how stupid it is (actually you see it from the start but you still laugh a bit), the sory is (for me) very very poor and even those moments that could be epic were ruined by some cheesy line, also thors english was horrible, he was suppost to speak in high english but it just sounded weird
all in all its a good movie to watch but its no great achievement and cant even be compared to the best movies of this year - to me that will be TDKR and The Hobbit and if they are half as good as TDK and LoTR they will beat the avengers no prob, there also some less known films that were made this year and would deserve more praise than the avengers
its fun to watch i liked it about as much as iron man 1 & 2 (which i DO like) but it DOESNT deserve all the attantion and record setting at all, its a story that is beeing used too often these days, 80% of the humor makes you laugh at first (at times) but later you regreet because you see how stupid it is (actually you see it from the start but you still laugh a bit), the sory is (for me) very very poor and even those moments that could be epic were ruined by some cheesy line, also thors english was horrible, he was suppost to speak in high english but it just sounded weird
all in all its a good movie to watch but its no great achievement and cant even be compared to the best movies of this year - to me that will be TDKR and The Hobbit and if they are half as good as TDK and LoTR they will beat the avengers no prob, there also some less known films that were made this year and would deserve more praise than the avengers
justin bieber has most YT views - that about sums it up
