Well I live in the UK so yea I even have freedom to libel and slander but if you really want I can link you to a video of a US congressman saying Muslims worship the devil... It is really not against the law because him saying that will not cause a real loss of reputation or earnings.
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UchihaNagashi
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As I said, it's not taken seriously. Attacking a congressman would be strenuous. No one would wish to call the police for that. Furthermore, I believe you'd have to be from U.S to put the prosecution in place. Most of the Muslim's having riots and are almost extreme islamists live in the Middle East or Africa.
For defamatory statement, you can get prosecuted (not in UK though). Then you lose reputation and your earnings if the situation goes bad. Now that's a real bîtch right?
For defamatory statement, you can get prosecuted (not in UK though). Then you lose reputation and your earnings if the situation goes bad. Now that's a real bîtch right?
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UchihaNagashi
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Unless it states clearly a defamatory statement, it wouldn't. And even then, hardly it would pass as prosecution. Max. penalty you'd get for it would be maybe a few hundred. But slander never gets even near court. Libel is different though. It depends on it's area of effect.
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yeah thats what i want to write.
there is no arabic in that song and many ppl in this thread confirmed this.
PLZ Relax and dont take it serious.
OT:-1 song cant affect Islam's reputation although there is no arabic in that song U_U
UchihaNagashi
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If you are referring to our prophet, he in fact never killed anyone. Not even in defense. His followers killed only the people who attacked them. Even the wicked man who murdered the prophet's closest friends and relatives was not murdered. He was accepted in their community.
There are other religions with almost same standards. For example, in Christian's religion Mary was estimated to be around 14-16 yer old when she had a baby (Jesus). They believe it was the son of God. Understand my point?
Around that time, it was normal for a 10-year old girl to have a child even though nowadays it's thought wrong. But... people.
There are other religions with almost same standards. For example, in Christian's religion Mary was estimated to be around 14-16 yer old when she had a baby (Jesus). They believe it was the son of God. Understand my point?
Around that time, it was normal for a 10-year old girl to have a child even though nowadays it's thought wrong. But... people.
You CAN NOT justify Mohammed sleeping with a 9 year old girl because it was "normal" back then because the quran claims to be unalterable and final. You believe that Islam is written perfect and can never be changed in any way so if it was ok then you have to believe it is still ok now.
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I have decided to handle this:
With regards to CL’s song and the usage of the Qur’an, I think some things need to be cleared up. This is something everyone needs to be aware of and some key points that need to be explained.
With regards to CL’s song and the usage of the Qur’an, I think some things need to be cleared up. This is something everyone needs to be aware of and some key points that need to be explained.
1. Why did it take so long for this to emerge?
When we first listen to a song, as soon as it comes out, we appreciate it as a whole right? We don’t pick at the words, we don’t pick out the music, the background vocals or any of that. We just listen to it how it is.
After some time, when we’re used to the song, we start picking up certain sounds and details that we weren’t focusing on before. It’s the same here. In fact, some of us who do not understand Korean just enjoy the music and will have difficulty picking things out like that, and its the same with the Arabic…bringing up my next point.
2. It doesn’t sound like Arabic/That’s not a verse from the Qur’an.
Remember when you first got into Kpop and you couldn’t differentiate between the Korean language/words or any other East Asian language? There are plenty of people who can’t tell the difference and that’s okay. This is similar to how people probably can’t pick up the Arabic verse being read by the child. If you haven’t heard the Arabic language as much then obviously it’ll be hard for you to pick it out of MTBD, which can be likened to the time when you probably couldn’t tell the difference between/recognise East Asian languages. That doesn’t mean it’s not there and people are making a fuss out of nothing. I’ve listened to that part of the song again and again and for someone who can read and understand Arabic to some extent, it is clear that the Arabic verse is definitely there. The video from which it is taken (
3. How is this offensive? Plenty of other artist’s have done the same to other religions and they aren’t complaining - so you shouldn’t be offended.
Let me give you some background information about Islam first. Islam has been around for around 1400 years and is the religion of 1.6 billion people in the world (2010). The Qur’an is the holy book for Muslims and are the exact words of God and were revealed to Prophet Muhammad. Islam and the Qur’an is a key part of a Muslim’s everyday life and are a guidance for all of humanity. Since the Qur’an is the word of God, it is to be treated with the utmost respect. It should be read with the correct ‘behaviour’, as in you should read it in a distraction free environment, don’t eat and drink whilst reading it etc.
By putting the words of God that are read by Muslims all around the world everyday in a pop/dance song is extremely disrespectful. It’s not the fact that CL or Teddy or whoever arranged it is not Muslim and used the verse from the Qur’an - that’s not the point. The main problem is that it was used in such a song. I’ve read comments where people are asking why Muslims complain and are offended by anything that is deemed disrespectful and it should be made clear why. It is our duty to defend our religion and God. It is very hard to sit back and do nothing about it when something that is a part of everyday life and a part of US. No one has the right to tell anyone they can’t be offended.Everyone has feelings and views and no one is in a position to judge how offended someone can be or not - this is a universal rule!
For some of the people who still fail to understand how it’s offensive it’s like this: Whenever someone says something offensive about your bias, you’d immediately jump to their defence right? They are precious to you, just how God and the holy book is precious to us. It’s pretty much the same for everyone who thinks this whole thing was inappropriate to do. The fact that it was also slightly distorted is disrespectful because those are the words of God and the Qur’an hasn’t been changed like the other books ever since it was revealed (609CE).
Also, Lady Gaga made songs with references to the Bible and plenty of people were upset about that too. Some people are saying that wasn’t a big issue then and Muslims are making a fuss out of nothing. That is not true and many Christians were offended by her songs too. It is true, if the Bible was quoted, then this wouldn’t be a big deal. Mainly because the Bible was changed overtime and is not purely God’s words anymore. There may be similarities but it is no longer the true word of God, unlike the Qur’an which has remained unchanged ever since it was revealed.
Others are saying, its just art and music, why does it matter? Religion is central to many peoples’ lives’ and by carelessly using it because you ‘like the sound of a text’ or the ‘words were interesting’ is going to offend many people. If you’re religious then you’re obviously more sensitive to things like this.It would just be best if it didn’t happen at all. After all, there’s PLENTY of other things that can be used for art and music and it doesn’t have to be something from a religious text that is very holy.
There are plenty of Non-Muslims/Muslims who agree that all of this is disrespectful and I fully appreciate you all and am thankful for your understanding! The use of the verse of the Qur’an has upset many people, Muslims, and Non-Muslims alike and I feel like some ignorant people are making this more about Islam and less about the real issue bringing us to the next point.
4. (this is a genuine comment I read on a forum which I’m paraphrasing) Muslims shouldn’t be listening to Kpop anyway.
Okay first of all, it is none of your business how someone goes about their life. Everyone makes their own choices and you are not right to judge people for it. In the Qur’an it does not say music is not allowed, but it does not say it is allowed either. It is ‘Makruh’ which means that is ‘undesirable’ but it is not completely forbidden.
Some are going around saying Muslims should not be doing this or that but at the end of the day, I don’t see you going around preaching to people about not smoking or drinking too much alcohol. Let people do what they want, it is their choice. However, that doesn’t mean you can do things that are offensive and it’ll be okay - just like this issue with the verse being used in the song.
5. CL should die. It’s all her fault. I don’t like 2ne1. No respect anymore.
NO! JUST NO. STOP SAYING THAT. From what little information we have on the arrangement, it is difficult to find someone to blame. Teddy arranged it but where did he get the snippet of the child reading the Qur’an? Either he obviously looked for it and found it and thought ‘it sounds nice’ and decided to use it or it was added it in with no understanding of what it actually was. I’m sure that since they used this verse, they must have known what it is and I’m not sure if they understood how insensitive it was to do that. Either they didn’t know how big of an issue it was going to be (which I doubt) or they did, but didn’t care. It’s not my place to judge after all but it is still offensive. I don’t know what happened and I’m not blaming anyone at all but I am interested in an official statement so we can shed more light on this and so everyone can carry on peacefully with their lives.
My personal conclusion
Yes I am angry and upset about this and it’s going to take a while to die down, but at the end of the day I have no one to blame (until we get an official statement etc) My eyes however, have opened up today and unfortunately I’ve been disappointed in some people and their ignorance about Islam. I will continue supporting CL and 2ne1 if this all hopefully blows over and there is some sort of acknowledgement that yes this was wrong to do. However, this won’t be forgotten…
(Sorry guys lol. My friend had to get in on this xd)
When we first listen to a song, as soon as it comes out, we appreciate it as a whole right? We don’t pick at the words, we don’t pick out the music, the background vocals or any of that. We just listen to it how it is.
After some time, when we’re used to the song, we start picking up certain sounds and details that we weren’t focusing on before. It’s the same here. In fact, some of us who do not understand Korean just enjoy the music and will have difficulty picking things out like that, and its the same with the Arabic…bringing up my next point.
2. It doesn’t sound like Arabic/That’s not a verse from the Qur’an.
Remember when you first got into Kpop and you couldn’t differentiate between the Korean language/words or any other East Asian language? There are plenty of people who can’t tell the difference and that’s okay. This is similar to how people probably can’t pick up the Arabic verse being read by the child. If you haven’t heard the Arabic language as much then obviously it’ll be hard for you to pick it out of MTBD, which can be likened to the time when you probably couldn’t tell the difference between/recognise East Asian languages. That doesn’t mean it’s not there and people are making a fuss out of nothing. I’ve listened to that part of the song again and again and for someone who can read and understand Arabic to some extent, it is clear that the Arabic verse is definitely there. The video from which it is taken (
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) is an exact copy but is slightly distorted in the song.3. How is this offensive? Plenty of other artist’s have done the same to other religions and they aren’t complaining - so you shouldn’t be offended.
Let me give you some background information about Islam first. Islam has been around for around 1400 years and is the religion of 1.6 billion people in the world (2010). The Qur’an is the holy book for Muslims and are the exact words of God and were revealed to Prophet Muhammad. Islam and the Qur’an is a key part of a Muslim’s everyday life and are a guidance for all of humanity. Since the Qur’an is the word of God, it is to be treated with the utmost respect. It should be read with the correct ‘behaviour’, as in you should read it in a distraction free environment, don’t eat and drink whilst reading it etc.
By putting the words of God that are read by Muslims all around the world everyday in a pop/dance song is extremely disrespectful. It’s not the fact that CL or Teddy or whoever arranged it is not Muslim and used the verse from the Qur’an - that’s not the point. The main problem is that it was used in such a song. I’ve read comments where people are asking why Muslims complain and are offended by anything that is deemed disrespectful and it should be made clear why. It is our duty to defend our religion and God. It is very hard to sit back and do nothing about it when something that is a part of everyday life and a part of US. No one has the right to tell anyone they can’t be offended.Everyone has feelings and views and no one is in a position to judge how offended someone can be or not - this is a universal rule!
For some of the people who still fail to understand how it’s offensive it’s like this: Whenever someone says something offensive about your bias, you’d immediately jump to their defence right? They are precious to you, just how God and the holy book is precious to us. It’s pretty much the same for everyone who thinks this whole thing was inappropriate to do. The fact that it was also slightly distorted is disrespectful because those are the words of God and the Qur’an hasn’t been changed like the other books ever since it was revealed (609CE).
Also, Lady Gaga made songs with references to the Bible and plenty of people were upset about that too. Some people are saying that wasn’t a big issue then and Muslims are making a fuss out of nothing. That is not true and many Christians were offended by her songs too. It is true, if the Bible was quoted, then this wouldn’t be a big deal. Mainly because the Bible was changed overtime and is not purely God’s words anymore. There may be similarities but it is no longer the true word of God, unlike the Qur’an which has remained unchanged ever since it was revealed.
Others are saying, its just art and music, why does it matter? Religion is central to many peoples’ lives’ and by carelessly using it because you ‘like the sound of a text’ or the ‘words were interesting’ is going to offend many people. If you’re religious then you’re obviously more sensitive to things like this.It would just be best if it didn’t happen at all. After all, there’s PLENTY of other things that can be used for art and music and it doesn’t have to be something from a religious text that is very holy.
There are plenty of Non-Muslims/Muslims who agree that all of this is disrespectful and I fully appreciate you all and am thankful for your understanding! The use of the verse of the Qur’an has upset many people, Muslims, and Non-Muslims alike and I feel like some ignorant people are making this more about Islam and less about the real issue bringing us to the next point.
4. (this is a genuine comment I read on a forum which I’m paraphrasing) Muslims shouldn’t be listening to Kpop anyway.
Okay first of all, it is none of your business how someone goes about their life. Everyone makes their own choices and you are not right to judge people for it. In the Qur’an it does not say music is not allowed, but it does not say it is allowed either. It is ‘Makruh’ which means that is ‘undesirable’ but it is not completely forbidden.
Some are going around saying Muslims should not be doing this or that but at the end of the day, I don’t see you going around preaching to people about not smoking or drinking too much alcohol. Let people do what they want, it is their choice. However, that doesn’t mean you can do things that are offensive and it’ll be okay - just like this issue with the verse being used in the song.
5. CL should die. It’s all her fault. I don’t like 2ne1. No respect anymore.
NO! JUST NO. STOP SAYING THAT. From what little information we have on the arrangement, it is difficult to find someone to blame. Teddy arranged it but where did he get the snippet of the child reading the Qur’an? Either he obviously looked for it and found it and thought ‘it sounds nice’ and decided to use it or it was added it in with no understanding of what it actually was. I’m sure that since they used this verse, they must have known what it is and I’m not sure if they understood how insensitive it was to do that. Either they didn’t know how big of an issue it was going to be (which I doubt) or they did, but didn’t care. It’s not my place to judge after all but it is still offensive. I don’t know what happened and I’m not blaming anyone at all but I am interested in an official statement so we can shed more light on this and so everyone can carry on peacefully with their lives.
My personal conclusion
Yes I am angry and upset about this and it’s going to take a while to die down, but at the end of the day I have no one to blame (until we get an official statement etc) My eyes however, have opened up today and unfortunately I’ve been disappointed in some people and their ignorance about Islam. I will continue supporting CL and 2ne1 if this all hopefully blows over and there is some sort of acknowledgement that yes this was wrong to do. However, this won’t be forgotten…
(Sorry guys lol. My friend had to get in on this xd)
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Captain Incognito
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I miss to see the point in this thread, would someone please be so kind and tell me what the fuss is all about?
From what I see miss Noodles here is not a Muslim but stumbled upon that soung and decided to share it here, because she thought it would offend them and she felt bad about it.
However it has been stated several times that they do not feel offended and that the song does not contain any arabic verses or even words.
Then it turns into a religious debatte, freedom of speech, some dude thinks that Muslims worship the devil, come on some dude also claimed that Pokemon is evil and that the evolution does not exist, idiots like that exist every where and then we have this one particular member Nupp right here who's trying to shove his opinion into the throats of the Muslims in here.
Look every religion has it's dark past and different types of participants, take christianity for example what about all those crusades?
I know that they were never ordered in the bible but still they did it in the name of "god"
Also most of my friends and people I work with are muslims, some are highly religious but still respectful towards other religions and people, then there are those that are religious to a certain extent, they do drink alcohol and some of them even have ***, but they do not make fun of other religions and people and then there are the ones called hypocrites.
These people act as if they were super religious and at the same time they are drunk every weekend, f**k around every day and when their credibility is at stake they either swear to the Qur'an, their mother or their life.
Personally I don't mind or even care if someone is religious or not, as long as they don't try to shove their religion down my throat and are happy with their lifes let them be.
That applys to every group, movement and religion.
Do you know where your freedom ends?
It ends when it interferes with the freedom of someone else.
From what I see miss Noodles here is not a Muslim but stumbled upon that soung and decided to share it here, because she thought it would offend them and she felt bad about it.
However it has been stated several times that they do not feel offended and that the song does not contain any arabic verses or even words.
Then it turns into a religious debatte, freedom of speech, some dude thinks that Muslims worship the devil, come on some dude also claimed that Pokemon is evil and that the evolution does not exist, idiots like that exist every where and then we have this one particular member Nupp right here who's trying to shove his opinion into the throats of the Muslims in here.
Look every religion has it's dark past and different types of participants, take christianity for example what about all those crusades?
I know that they were never ordered in the bible but still they did it in the name of "god"
Also most of my friends and people I work with are muslims, some are highly religious but still respectful towards other religions and people, then there are those that are religious to a certain extent, they do drink alcohol and some of them even have ***, but they do not make fun of other religions and people and then there are the ones called hypocrites.
These people act as if they were super religious and at the same time they are drunk every weekend, f**k around every day and when their credibility is at stake they either swear to the Qur'an, their mother or their life.
Personally I don't mind or even care if someone is religious or not, as long as they don't try to shove their religion down my throat and are happy with their lifes let them be.
That applys to every group, movement and religion.
Do you know where your freedom ends?
It ends when it interferes with the freedom of someone else.
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Who the hell cares? I don't consider any religious book as God's words or anything. They are all just written by some Human,that's all.
Though I do want to tell you that I don't think it's Indian,and if it is then rest assured not a damn religion would be disrespected in India,list any,Hinduism,Islam,Christianity,Buddism,etc.
Though I do want to tell you that I don't think it's Indian,and if it is then rest assured not a damn religion would be disrespected in India,list any,Hinduism,Islam,Christianity,Buddism,etc.
UchihaNagashi
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Who said Quran is the only one? Check the Bible. Mary was still 14.
At first I thought you were doing this because we're sensitive, but it seems you dislike Islam. You Atheist?
At first I thought you were doing this because we're sensitive, but it seems you dislike Islam. You Atheist?
I do not dislike Islam and yes Mary was 14, my point is not changed in any way even if I did hate Islam or if Mary was 6. My only point is that some of the aspects of your faith offend me (such as having *** with a 9 year old being an example of goodness) but I understand and respect your right to think what you like and understand that offending me is not a crime.
I may offend you by taking Gods name in vain or listening to that song... The writer of the song might offend you by writing those lyrics... None of these things are crimes and they are CERTAINLY not crimes that call for death threats.