Attempting to explain Kakashi's Susanoo. Feel free to disagree.

[Bimbonium]

QFT

madara just straight up using kamui after just popping it like a USB flash drive and using susanoo without fucking eyes
this is nothing compared to all those

you forgot madara joining his hands like some plug and play

 

[Cfighter]

There is no explaining it. It defies every rule set up in the series revolving eye transplants and death. Obito died, his body was ash. Case closed. Yet he was able to bring his spirit/chakra back to life long enough to infect Kakashi and have a conversation? Sure, whatever. BUT THEN you expect us to believe that giving someone CHAKRA is enough to transplant EYES? Im sorry, but thats where I have to draw the line. If that were true then there wouldn't have been any issue ever in the past about eye transplants. Sasuke wouldn't have had to be in bed for the entire war. Madara wouldn't have had to make a big deal about his brother. And Obito would have given Kakashi both eyes when they were kids.

Furthermore, Kakashi is a non Uchiha. It has been VERY well established that Kakashi could BARELY use ONE Sharingan. And while it appears that he's been able to bs the amount of time he can use the MS, now all of a sudden he can use TWO AT THE SAME TIME??? Where the hell did that chakra come from? Why can he even use two MS? Now all of a sudden the rule that the sharingan was an Uchiha exclusive just went out the window, since anyone could have wielded the sharingan, because there is no unique trait about Kakashi at all. Even more of wtf moment is how Kakashi can not only ACTIVATE two MS, but he can use SUSANOO? PERFECT SUSANOO? Thats something that not even Itachi could use. Sasuke struggled with Susanoo for a LONG TIME, causing him GREAT PAIN, yet here Kakashi is pulling a Perfect Susanoo out of his ass no problem.

 

[Dantee]

Emotional Hell I think is what they are referring to. Up until the point where their siblings' eyes were transplanted respectively, both Madara and Sasuke did a ton of fighting and harbored a lot of Anguish mental torture and hatred due to their situations. That in itself is a form of hell.



Thank you Dantee. This was my biggest gripe. I would be okay with this if Obito had done it while he was being turned into Doritos by Kaguya. But he had already passed. There was nothing left of him. No handsigns to activate this "spiritual jutsu" of sorts.

And then Kakashi copied a Kekkei Genkai with his new Sharingans which , by Kishi's own laws, is suppose to be impossible.

Just to solidify how much bs happened in this chapter he copied sasukes susanoo while sasuke himself ddnt even have it activated. Kishi is on some strong stuff

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Kakashi is a non Uchiha who can somehow use PS for the first time with no training whatsover and not keeling over from the strain...yeah I smell bullshit.

But I like it though.

 

[Fuzzy Panda]

It doesn't make sense.

First, obito using kamui in his spiritual form? He is dead. Dead people can't use jutsu(discount edo tensei). And then he suddently teleports to the human world like that? Then why didn't minato teleport from the reaper in his "spiritual form"? Why didn't tobirama teleport in his spiritual form?

Unless you're Kishi, you can't make that statement. Since Obito just did in the manga, they clearly can if there is some criteria met or maybe it depends how they died.

 

[Tobi98]

It doesn't make sense.

First, obito using kamui in his spiritual form? He is dead. Dead people can't use jutsu(discount edo tensei). And then he suddently teleports to the human world like that? Then why didn't minato teleport from the reaper in his "spiritual form"? Why didn't tobirama teleport in his spiritual form?

But, ok, let's accept this part.

Then, there's PS. Yes, obito and kakashi trained their MS. But NONE of them trained susanoo. They never even used susanoo. It's like saying that if you train rasengan for many years, you 'll instantly be able to use a bijuu dama if you become a jinchuriki. And naruto struggled with the technique.

Look at itachi. He had his MS of years. However, he can't use PS. And he HAD susanoo.

And then, the first time obito's susanoo is used, it's a PS? Doesn't make sense.

And then there's kakashi's chakra. Kakashi ain't even fully rested. And he didn't have enough chakra to keep using his MS a lot previously. Now he is using 2 MS and a freaking PS?

You could say obito gave him chakra though, then maybe it would make sense. But obito didn't have much chakra EITHER.

Oh yeah, and like people mentioned in here, the strain and pain from using MS and susanoo. Even uchihas feel it. And kakashi just casually used a PS like it was nothing.

So, I see a lot of inconsistences in here.

He could've done it like Madara used Izanagi

And Kakashi has Obito's chakra, I totally see Obito's chakra creating PS

 

[Umari Senju]

The next chapter should answer all our questions, though i know that the answers will most likely be considered BS.

why do people keep saying,

"Kishi will explain it next chapter" he will not. Need proof?

Blind Madara using Susanoo. Everyone said Kishi would explain it. Never did

How Sasuke's Swap justu works. Did kishi explain how that works? Nope

Kaguya's past. Kishi will explain her past to make her a good villain. Looks like she is on the way out. Still waiting for this past of hers.

You guys need to stop using the "Kishi will explain" card. Honestly I don't think he gives a flying f**k at this point. It's his manga and he doesn't feel like explaining s**t so we just gotta roll with the punches.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Unless you're Kishi, you can't make that statement. Since Obito just did in the manga, they clearly can if there is some criteria met or maybe it depends how they died.

And who gives you the authority on deciding what statement someone can make?

 

[Umari Senju]

He could've done it like Madara used Izanagi

And Kakashi has Obito's chakra, I totally see Obito's chakra creating PS

but what chakra. Both Kakashi and Obito were out of chakra. They couldn't even run fast enough to get in front of Sasuke and Naruto. Rin's spirit had to grab their hands and push them forward.

The problem with this is that Madara was alive and prescrpted the Izanagi in his eye "In case" of his death. Obito did no such thing. He was already dead. Like the real dead. Body turned to ash. Nothing left to perform the jutsu. But moments after his spirit just jumps out of the ash and Kamui's Kakashi to the Purgatory like dimenstion and then Kakashi opens his eyes and has Sharingan.

If this is the case then by all rights Sasuke should be able to use Mokuton. I mean he has Hashi chakra in him right? So he should be using Mokuton right now.

 

[Wolfus]

Unless you're Kishi, you can't make that statement. Since Obito just did in the manga, they clearly can if there is some criteria met or maybe it depends how they died.

Except that this was never mentioned or even hinted before. Besides, how can dead people have chakra? Isn't chakra= spiritual energy+ physical energy?
How do they have it?

Doesn't make sense so far.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You failed to mention that these threads started up during the war arc meaning people(at least not as many) didn't hate the series before that. I don't understand why people complain about others who are upset because the finale, of a show the enjoyed, turned to shit. Life isn't about swallowing every bullshit people give you, you need to critic blatant rubbish. It's because people keep accepting bullshit that *insert the name of the groups that make CoD* can recycle the same thing every year and make millions.

BTW there's a lot kishi has failed to explain. Just flat out no explanation. The biggest examples would be madara using susano'o with absolutely no ideas, or madara's apparent absorption abilities when revived(again with no eyes), how obito had enough strength to perform jutsu without a heart, lung or healing abilities among other things. Also, when people like minato and kushina did things "from the afterlife" they did it because they, while alive, they used jutsu to embed their chakra into someone else. Obito just straight up used KAmui from death, then sprung from ashes.

Unless you're Kishi, you can't make that statement. Since Obito just did in the manga, they clearly can if there is some criteria met or maybe it depends how they died.

This is flawed logic. Just because Kishi's writing the story doesn't mean he can break logic where he sees fit. The story must flow with established facts.

 

[Wolfus]

He could've done it like Madara used Izanagi

And Kakashi has Obito's chakra, I totally see Obito's chakra creating PS

Madara programed izanagi to happen. Obito just came back to life using kamui. Madara planeed that fight. Was obito planning that kaguya would take over madara and that naruto would heal him and that eventually kaguya would almost win and he would habe to be a human shield?

Last time I checked, obito wasn't aizen.

And what chakra? They were both out" And he's dead!

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

First, obito using kamui in his spiritual form? He is dead. Dead people can't use jutsu(discount edo tensei). And then he suddently teleports to the human world like that? Then why didn't minato teleport from the reaper in his "spiritual form"? Why didn't tobirama teleport in his spiritual form?

Hagoromo is planning to use a jutsu and he is dead, very much dead

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The reaper is a powerful sealing justu that even prevented kabuto from using edo tensei that is a variant of summoning like hirashin is

 

[AGoodBoy]

Hagoromo is planning to use a jutsu and he is dead, very much dead

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The reaper is a powerful sealing justu that even prevented kabuto from using edo tensei that is a variant of summoning like hirashin is

You make it sound like no one ever called bullshit on the whole hagoromo thing.... when that happened, people were going on about him coming out of madara's crotch and what not. Even the first time he made an appearance, even though some people said hagaromo will eventually appear, some people were still calling BS for various reasons.


What's your last sentence supposed to mean? The reaper steals people's soul(chakra?) and locks it away. ET needs a users soul to work...

 

[Wolfus]

Hagoromo is planning to use a jutsu and he is dead, very much dead

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The reaper is a powerful sealing justu that even prevented kabuto from using edo tensei that is a variant of summoning like hirashin is

Except hagoromo's "spirit" came back with madara's lower parts(that contained juubi's chakra, indra's chakra, ashura's chakra, and even his own(ashura+indra) being touched(that sounded better in my head) by ashura's reincarnation(ashura's chakra).

Obito came back using kamui.

I can agree with the reaper part. But what about tobirama before he was sealed?

 

[Umari Senju]

Hagoromo is planning to use a jutsu and he is dead, very much dead

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The reaper is a powerful sealing justu that even prevented kabuto from using edo tensei that is a variant of summoning like hirashin is

At the 1st part. You are mistaken. Hagoromo planned this on his death bed remember? He even told the bijuu that there would be a child that would unite the bijuu once again and they would know what friendship was from him. Hagoromo was alive when he did this. Yes he was dead for along time but like Madara, he planned for this so your point in this is invalid.

The problem is Obito didn't plan this. He didn't make preparations to transfer his eyes to Kakashi upon his death.

Hagaromo's spirit was activated by the rise of the Shinju tree much like Minato's spirit was programed to appear should the 8th tial appear on on Kurama. And now that it has been activate it still lingers (which we won't get an explanation as to why I am guessing) so for plot purposes he is going to help the edo Hokage.

 

[Loki d]

Long story short: ASSPULL

The biggest hater Itachi fans

 

[Umari Senju]

The biggest hater Itachi fans

Normally I would agree with this statement, but in this instance I am in Agreement with DevilHunterDante....

....And I am a Kakashi fan XD

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

What I want to know is how come it took Sasuke and Madara time and training to unlock PS while Kakashi does it right off the bat.

 

[King Of Pop]

Lmao totally forgot about the eye strain from using soosano with ms. Uchihas feel it yet kakashi casually pulls out the highest version comfortably no strain or anything yh kishi messed up on this one.