Attempting to establish why Kimmimaro can defeat Tsunade

[FemmeFatale]

Susanoo > Kimmmaru
Tsunade punch > than defenses
Tsunade's analytical skills > Lee and Gaara
Tsunade > part 1 Orochimaru
Part 1 Orochimaru > Kimmmaru
Tsunade healing is the best
Tsunade doesn't need Katsuyu to will.


And you say he is sick, Tsunade fought handicapped in most of her battles either she was playing medic, or she was drunk, a sleep deprived, rusty, and her limbs were cut

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Susanoo > Kimmmaru
Tsunade punch > than defenses
Tsunade's analytical skills > Lee and Gaara
Tsunade > part 1 Orochimaru without hands who wasn't even trying to kill her
Part 1 Orochimaru > Kimmmaru
Tsunade healing is the best
Tsunade doesn't need Katsuyu to will.


And you say he is sick, Tsunade fought handicapped in most of her battles either she was playing medic, or she was drunk, a sleep deprived, rusty, and her limbs were cut

I fixed it for you in bold. And I love how people claim that in her fights Tsunade 'had a hangover', or, was 'sleep deprived', or my personal favorite, 'rusty'. The fact is, Gaara went into his fights without sleeping. Ever. Itachi went into his fights near blind and still managed to take out some high level shinobi. And Kimmimaro went into fights literally on his deathbed.

@Underline: Doctor Proof made a thread about this, and it should be on the first or second page of the discussions.

@Italic: That's the amazing thing about Kimmimaro's Kekkei Genkai. There's not all that much to analyze, but it's still unpredictable none the less.

And Tsunade had preptime, if not slight prep time, when she broke that Susano'o. Against a blitzer such as Kimmimaro, she's not going to be able to do that. Any hit she earns is going to be much more minor than that, even if in Byakugo. And in CE2 even with Byakugo I doubt her punches are going to do all that much.

 

[EternalFlame]

I do think he's critically underrated.


It's cool imagine how strong he would of became if he wasn't sick, Orochimaru didn't want his Body and if he trained his arse off.

 

[Jobrjo]

I disagree with a few points here logically, but most of your information is sound. Just a few points:
-Rock Lee's speed/strength vs Kimimaro cannot be compared to vs Gaara. He is fresh out the hospital, wearing his weights, and using no gates. So he is reasonably slower here.
-I do believe that at maximum strength, Tsunade can damage some of his bones. Truthfully, if she can damage Madara's Susano'o, she can damage/break some of his weaker bones, unless he focuses all of his chakra into it. The bigger issue is the stronger bones that seh can't break and the fact that all of them can regenerate.

Anyway yes, Kimmimaro solos Tsuande relatively easily, never needed a thread to prove it. He's one of the most underrated characters in the entire NarutoVerse... I dare say in his prime he'd rank among the Akatsuki.

 

[KingHashirama]

Attempting establish why Sakura can beat Hashirama:

- She can get to talk to him

- She the poisons him

Anyone who believes Kimimaro > Tsunade in skill, must obviously believe Kimimaro > Gokage. Unless of course they are the usual hypocrites, who like putting exceptions on the characters they like.

She destroyed rib cage susanoo..... Bones are freaking weak compared to Susanoo

 

[Smd]

Attempting establish why Sakura can beat Hashirama:

- She can get to talk to him

- She the poisons him

Anyone who believes Kimimaro > Tsunade in skill, must obviously believe Kimimaro > Gokage. Unless of course they are the usual hypocrites, who like putting exceptions on the characters they like.

She destroyed rib cage susanoo..... Bones are freaking weak compared to Susanoo

umm no? tsunade is the weakest kage

i n what world do u come up with kimmiaro>gokages

Susanoo > Kimmmaru
Tsunade punch > than defenses
Tsunade's analytical skills > Lee and Gaara
Tsunade > part 1 Orochimaru
Part 1 Orochimaru > Kimmmaru
Tsunade healing is the best
Tsunade doesn't need Katsuyu to will.


And you say he is sick, Tsunade fought handicapped in most of her battles either she was playing medic, or she was drunk, a sleep deprived, rusty, and her limbs were cut

i wonder if your serious.

gaara>Tsuande any version

kimmiaro>tsunade

orochimaru>tusnade period

Why is this still being denied? I don't know.

I already established kimimaro's rape skills long ago U_U. Only deniers or haters still deny this.

Kimimaro's Rank

• Kimimaro's clearly above jounin level; Meaning kage level and it's a manga fact;
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• Kimimaro solo'd several samurai;
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• Kimimaro and chiyo were able to keep Mifune and all his samurai's at bay; Killing some in the process. That same mifune easily defeated s-class Hanzo;
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• Kimimaro was orochimaru's choice vessle before sasuke, meaning the great uchiha was just a mere substitute
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• Orochimaru stated that Kimimaro's bone is impervious to all physical attacks. And, orochimaru's the guy who's been researching for years to the point he even figured out the secrets of the rinnegan;
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  • Kabuto was stated to be on the level of Kakashi;
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  • Kakashi stated he was inferior to kabuto;
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  • Kabuto fought the great sannin tsunade;
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  • Kabuto called kimimaro undefeatable.
  • And even witnessed a sannin battle royal;
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  • This kabuto who had
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    on practically everyone, and even with the fact that tsunade was
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    , kabuto still said, while looking dead in orochimaru's eyes...
    
    
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    .

Those who still claim kimimaro is 'genin' or 'chunin' are just in denial. Kishi doesn't even agree with them.

>Inb4 "He still died". Implying dying to a disease that should've

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is shameful.

Those who know me also know that I'm not one commonly drawn to expatiating in an introduction, nor do I attempt to draw out my posts in pointless additions. As such, I'm going to jump right into this.

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Kimmimaro's Defense.

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A1. Tsunade's primary form of attack and why it isn't effective against Kimmimaro - Kimmimaro on pure defense.

Spoiler

We all know that even at the ripe age of twelve, Gaara's regular gourd sand

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That same attack had little to no effect on Kimmimaro, who explicitly stated that he created a bone mask under his skin to avoid injury. [

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] This same bone mask can be used to shoulder the burden of Tsunade's attacks if she manages to connect.

Following that, in CE2, Kimmimaro took no more injury from

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. The sheer pressure alone should have left Kimmimaro absolutely crushed, not to mention the combined damage that should have occurred from previously said attack and literally being crushed underneath a tsunami of sand.

A2. Tsunade's primary form of attack and why it isn't effective against Kimmimaro - Kimmimaro on the counterattack.

Spoiler

Tsunade choosing to attack via Taijutsu may very well result in her demise.

Lee, one of Konoha's best Taijutsu specialists even at age 13 was

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, who explicitly stated that Lee's Gouken was simply too linear to combat his flexible Kekkai Genkai; coincidentally, Lee's version of Gouken is the most similar to Tsunade's Taijutsu out of all Taijutsu shown. It is simple to tell that at that time Kimmimaro was holding back, as when Lee entered his Drunken State Kimmimaro was able to retaliate by literally forcing his bones out [

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] to counter what attacks he was unable to dodge.

The speed at which Kimmimaro is able to protrude his bones should not be questioned, as he was able to

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to Drunken Lee, a character who can very well be faster than Tsunade.

A3. Tsunade's primary form of attack and why it is not effective against Kimmimaro - Speed and reflexes.

Spoiler

This is self-explanatory in itself. Lee, one of the fastest characters shown at the time, was not able to land a hit on Kimmimaro. We can take this even farther with

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, showcasing Kimmimaro effortlessly dodging Gaara's sand.

B. Dealing with Kuchiyose no Jutsu: Katsuyu.

Spoiler

Katsuyu encompasses Tsunade's largest chance of victory, quite literally. Unfortunately for the Hokage, however, Kimmimaro posses quite frankly one of the best possible counters for Katsuyu - Sawarabi no Mae, also known as Dance of the Seedling Fern.

Sawarabi no Mae allows Kimmimaro to take advantage of the bone residue in the earth and literally turn the

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. The most argued Katsuyu prospect is considered to be the Slug's ability to spit burning acid; Sawarabi no Mae gives Kimmimaro the ability to merge with any of the bones he creates, allowing him to dodge any acid that Katsuyu spits while at the same time, causing both the summon and Tsunade potentially battle ending damage. It will, certainly, accelerate the rate at which Katsuyu's summon time runs out.

Kimmimaro on the offensive.

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A1. Kimmimaro's Bone Attacks - The defeat of Naruto; Kimmimaro's sheer Taijutsu skill.

Spoiler

As we've seen, Kimmimaro took on easily

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of Naruto's Kage Bunshin, and defeated every one of them without a single scratch or without even being shown as winded [

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A2. Kimmimaro's Bone Attacks - The defeat of Rock Lee; Defensive and Offensive prowess.

Spoiler

As I said in the section of this post designated to Kimmimaro's defense, Rock Lee was unable to land a hit on Kimmimaro until he switched to his Drunken State. Mind you, Kimmimaro was holding back here and still was able to easily combat the person who blitzed through Gaara's sand defenses. Kimmimaro himself stated that Lee's fighting style was linear, and as such predictable. Tsunade, who fights in an even more predictable fashion, should be of no problem.

Drunken State was handled by Kimmimaro's dance of the Pine, a technique that allows him to protrude bones through the surface of his skin and counter the strikes of his opponent. Seeing as these bones were able to take a non-literal murdering by Gaara (See A1 - Tsunade's primary form of attack and why it isn't effective against Kimmimaro), they're not going to be broken by a Tsunade punch. It's an unforgiving system; the more force Tsunade puts into a strike, the heavier the damage dealt against her.

A3. Kimmimaro's Bone Attacks -The defeat of Gaara; Kimmimaro's Curse Seal.

Spoiler

I covered Kimmimaro's defense against Gaara in an earlier portion, and as such I'm going to only cover Kimmimaro's offense against Gaara in this portion.

Kimmimaro's curse seal, one of Orochimaru's unique Juinjutsu, grants Kimmimaro even more impressive speed and power to add onto his already immensive durability [

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by a direct kick to the neck by Lee, and casually batted him away with his tail.

As we can see

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, Kimmimaro is able to fire the bones in his fingertips as projectiles; unlike Gaara, Tsunade does not posses an automatic defense, and if caught by surprise it can potentially do serious damage provided Byakugo is not yet activated. And even so, I'd like to clear up a very common misconception.

Byakugo has never been shown able to restore serious head injuries.

I'm not talking decapitation; provided that the piercing damage is enough to split into her brain, a piercing attack can potentially defeat her if aimed directly at her head.

Which leads me to my final offensive point for Kimmimaro: Tessenka no Mae.

A4. Kimmimaro's Bone Attacks - Tessenka no Mai.

Spoiler

Tessenka no Mai has two stages; Vine [

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. While I had been a debate with a Tsunade supporter, they had argued that Tsunade would simply grab the vine and drag Kimmimaro into a punch. While that wouldn't work for obvious reasons, it led me to a realization: Vine is not necessary for the technique to be completed.

Indeed, Vine is simply a precaution taken to ensure that Flower connects; against a character that he is undoubtedly faster and more agile than, this is unnecessary set up and Kimmimaro can launch directly into the Flower portion.

Generally I don't indulge in these types of threads, but I had been recently bored and I had desired to do something special for my thousandth post. I thank you for reading this, as it was quite fun to make.​

this wasnt needed to prove kimmi>tsunade

 

[KingHashirama]

umm no? tsunade is the weakest kage

i n what world do u come up with kimmiaro>gokages




i wonder if your serious.

gaara>Tsuande any version

kimmiaro>tsunade

orochimaru>tusnade period






this wasnt needed to prove kimmi>tsunade

Yup Tsunade is the weakest, that is why Mei was relieved to have her there. ^_^.

 

[FemmeFatale]

I fixed it for you in bold. And I love how people claim that in her fights Tsunade 'had a hangover', or, was 'sleep deprived', or my personal favorite, 'rusty'. The fact is, Gaara went into his fights without sleeping. Ever. Itachi went into his fights near blind and still managed to take out some high level shinobi. And Kimmimaro went into fights literally on his deathbed.

@Underline: Doctor Proof made a thread about this, and it should be on the first or second page of the discussions.

@Italic: That's the amazing thing about Kimmimaro's Kekkei Genkai. There's not all that much to analyze, but it's still unpredictable none the less.

And Tsunade had preptime, if not slight prep time, when she broke that Susano'o. Against a blitzer such as Kimmimaro, she's not going to be able to do that. Any hit she earns is going to be much more minor than that, even if in Byakugo. And in CE2 even with Byakugo I doubt her punches are going to do all that much.

Sorry Tsunade hadn't sleep for 6 days, she was drunk and she hadn't battled in years, she was at more of a disadvantage than Gaara, and Gaara being sleep deprived means nothing, he doesn't even actively fight TBH. Orochimaru just had no hands, they were all but at an disadvantage in the fight, and he was trying to kill her.

Tsunade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kimmaru in healing, so what if Dr.Proof made it, is he Kishi? No. Tsunade Healing is possibly >/= Hahsirama's.

At the end of the ay Kimmaru can kill the unkillable.

 

[DrProof]

Sorry Tsunade hadn't sleep for 6 days, she was drunk and she hadn't battled in years, she was at more of a disadvantage than Gaara, and Gaara being sleep deprived means nothing, he doesn't even actively fight TBH. Orochimaru just had no hands, they were all but at an disadvantage in the fight, and he was trying to kill her.

Tsunade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kimmaru in healing, so what if Dr.Proof made it, is he Kishi? No. Tsunade Healing is possibly >/= Hahsirama's.

At the end of the ay Kimmaru can kill the unkillable.

You're a bad debater.
You've killed NB 2013-2014.
Stop Debating.
Read the above tips.
???
Profit.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Sorry Tsunade hadn't sleep for 6 days, she was drunk and she hadn't battled in years, she was at more of a disadvantage than Gaara, and Gaara being sleep deprived means nothing, he doesn't even actively fight TBH. Orochimaru just had no hands, they were all but at an disadvantage in the fight, and he was trying to kill her.

Tsunade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kimmaru in healing, so what if Dr.Proof made it, is he Kishi? No. Tsunade Healing is possibly >/= Hahsirama's.

At the end of the ay Kimmaru can kill the unkillable.

Unkillable? Um, no. And remember, the main premise of that fight was Oro's desire to get Tsunade to heal his hands. Why would he kill her? If you want to formally debate this, I'm available for tomorrow. Accept?

 

[Penguin]

Kimi rapes.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You failed to consider the what-ifs, like what if Tsunade used a drive-by Shanaroooo? I don't think Kiminaro can handle that.

Perfect Shanarooo

 

[FemmeFatale]

You're a bad debater.
You've killed NB 2013-2014.
Stop Debating.
Read the above tips.
???
Profit.

Please, I've just snatched you wig as the Nb princess.
Anyway, you just fail to take Tsunade's abilities in account, compare to Tsunade Kimmmaru abilities are nothing more than hype, Tsunade punch will kill him. That wall thing Orochimaru hashirama, and that two headed guy can summon, was said to be Un breakable. Kiba dented it, Tsunade strength > kiba tornado. So she can break the unbreakable, ask Madara. He's to fast? No Tsunade tracks movements, and she is a Sannin, would fought Madara and was super effective,

Unkillable? Um, no. And remember, the main premise of that fight was Oro's desire to get Tsunade to heal his hands. Why would he kill her? If you want to formally debate this, I'm available for tomorrow. Accept?

He knew she wasn't going to heal him. Tsunade said so and she survived the battle. When have she died, vase Tsunade tanked be lacerated, she is unkillable, until she dies

 

[Senju Bean]

Despite her being relatively weak compared to her predecessors, I still have to say Tsunade takes this one.

She broke Madara's Susanoo for crying out loud. Only other ones known are 8th gate Guy's Hirudora, Onoki's Jinton and Onoki enhancing A's punch could do such a thing.

If she charges at Kimi, sure Kimi would skewer her, but in the process, a punch would land and Kimi would explode while Tsunade would later regenerate.

 

[Imperius]

Of course...

Tsunade lost to Kabuto, is there anyone who can't beat Tsunade?