Tobi would intercept them before they could even do anything to the kyuubi. He did the same thing with Minato. Minato was going to stop the kyuubi and stopped its bijuu bomb and then was going to tell the 3rd what happened and was stopped by Tobi.
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Nagato cant hit Tobi... Anyone without S/T cant fight Tobi
Itachi may have been better at genjutsu but the Kyuubi would break Tobi out and Tobi would know when he is in genjutsu.
And no Oro had such poor control over his edos... He hardly used half of bothe the kages potential.
blazekev90
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i feel this dudes have the skill or at least other distractions which would allow them to do so maybe I'm wrong tho.
blazekev90
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and could Tobi do anything to Nagato?
why would the Kyuubi break Tobi out??
total darkness and wood element, #boom lol
Nagato
1. Cant touch Tobi cause of S/T which makes it an automatic draw however
2. Tobi can warp the paths one by one in to his dimesion
3. Tobi takes them in 1 by one and kills them off there
4. TBB from Kyuubi kills some 6POP
Itachi's Genjutsu
1. If you have a partner for genjutsu you can break out
2. Since Tobi has the Sharingan he can tell when he is in genjutsu
3. We still havent seen Tobi's Sharingan at its fullest
Oro
1. Poor Control over Edos
2. Those are physical attacks and cant hit Tobi while he is intangible
3. Total Darkness is genjutsu and Tobi has a partner
4. Tobi could just S/T to Oro and warp him away
U_U
Darkakatsuki
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Minato did it best bro, yeah sharingan users like Itachi and Sasuke can control bijuu with their sharingan, but the question is could they overpower Tobi's control of the Kyubi, coz Tobi already had control over it so how would they wrestle it away from him? Minato used the vontract seal to do this, do they have those kind of seals? Can their sharingan's overpower Tobi's control over it? Are they fast enough to save Kushina and Naruto from Tobi? Do they have a power that can stop a tailed beast bomb like Minato did by transporting the jutsu away with his space time tech?
Another thing you have to consider is that Naruto wouldn't have the control he has now over the kyubi without Minato's help, remeber that the reaper seal wasn't used to seal the fox in naruto, the four elements seal was used, in fact, two four elements seals were used, one to seal the kyubi's yang and the other to seal Minato and kushina inside of him, also combining the two seals to create the 8 trigrams seal that siphons the kyubi's chakra into naruto's system to increase his chakra reserves and to give him healing abilties from the kyubi's chakra.
The common mistake is that Minato needed to die to seal the fox, but he didn't, Kushina even said so too, asking him why he was using the reaper seal just to seal the kyubi when he knew so many other seals that could do the job.
Minato used the reaper seal to rip out the yin chakra of the kyubi and seal it into HIMSELF so that the death god would take the yin too when it takes his soul, that's why the kyubi shrank in sixe after that and lost its strength, well half of it at least. He then sealed the yang into naruto, which was only half of the kyubi, this was done so the kyubi would be weak enough for naruto to control its power one day.
He sealed himself and set up that he appeared when 8 tails were released, this was probably done to account for naruto losing control if he succumbed to the hate of the village or if the villagers broke him and the fox was released, although pain killing hinata was what actually broke him. It could also have been used to help him when he tried to control the kyubi one day if his will didn't break until then.
Plus Minato knew about a jinchuuriki needing love in order to control a bijuu's power, because he lectured A about it when he fought A and B and Mito told kushina that a jinchuuriki needed to be filled with love, and Kushina told naruto she was happy because of her love with minato and the love mito gave her even though she is a jinvhuuriki, put this together with her chakra chains that are strong enough to subdue the kyubi even when she is at death's door, then we have to cone to the conclusion that Kushina was also a perfect junchuuriki because she had the power to control it with her chains and she had love from Minato.
Minato also told Kushina that he would seal her inside naruto because she could give him something he couldn't, and we find out that it was two things she gave him when they met, after she told naruto she loves him, his dark side that kyubi was trying to manipulate said that it felt at peace and the kyubi couldn't take it after that and that gave naruto the strength to fight on and she also helped him with her chakra chains.
Minato knew what a jinchuuriki needed because his actions and words spoken to kushina and B make it clear and the fact that his wife was a jinchuuriki herself and he took steps to ensure that naruto received all these things plus weakened the kyubi for him, entrusting everything to him by dying to give him a good chance because he died with a half of the kyubi's power.
He was also the best person suited to take out Tobi with his space time jutsu and the one able to teleport the kyubi's bijuu dama and the only one with fast enough to save naruto and kushina when tobi tried to kill them.
I don't think anyone could have done what Minato did, especially if you consider how many times he had to be in different places at once by using Hirashin, people must remeber that the cave where things happened was FAR away from the village, Tobi used space time jutsu to transport himself to the village and then summoned the kyubi, how would someone wothout Hirashin have followed him and got there in time, how would the other people mentioned have stopped bijju dama, would they have had the knowledge that Minato had about the needs of a jinchuuriki and been able to seal themselves and Kushina and set up all those functions in the seal.
Would they have been able to weaken the kyubi if they didn't know the reaper seal? Would they have been able to transport not only the bijju dama of the kyubi, but the kyubi as well away from konoha to keep the people safe?
Would they have had the resources to defeat Tobi without prep time and would they have done it in time to save the village as well? Would they have defeated Tobi at all for that matter?
Another thing you have to consider is that Naruto wouldn't have the control he has now over the kyubi without Minato's help, remeber that the reaper seal wasn't used to seal the fox in naruto, the four elements seal was used, in fact, two four elements seals were used, one to seal the kyubi's yang and the other to seal Minato and kushina inside of him, also combining the two seals to create the 8 trigrams seal that siphons the kyubi's chakra into naruto's system to increase his chakra reserves and to give him healing abilties from the kyubi's chakra.
The common mistake is that Minato needed to die to seal the fox, but he didn't, Kushina even said so too, asking him why he was using the reaper seal just to seal the kyubi when he knew so many other seals that could do the job.
Minato used the reaper seal to rip out the yin chakra of the kyubi and seal it into HIMSELF so that the death god would take the yin too when it takes his soul, that's why the kyubi shrank in sixe after that and lost its strength, well half of it at least. He then sealed the yang into naruto, which was only half of the kyubi, this was done so the kyubi would be weak enough for naruto to control its power one day.
He sealed himself and set up that he appeared when 8 tails were released, this was probably done to account for naruto losing control if he succumbed to the hate of the village or if the villagers broke him and the fox was released, although pain killing hinata was what actually broke him. It could also have been used to help him when he tried to control the kyubi one day if his will didn't break until then.
Plus Minato knew about a jinchuuriki needing love in order to control a bijuu's power, because he lectured A about it when he fought A and B and Mito told kushina that a jinchuuriki needed to be filled with love, and Kushina told naruto she was happy because of her love with minato and the love mito gave her even though she is a jinvhuuriki, put this together with her chakra chains that are strong enough to subdue the kyubi even when she is at death's door, then we have to cone to the conclusion that Kushina was also a perfect junchuuriki because she had the power to control it with her chains and she had love from Minato.
Minato also told Kushina that he would seal her inside naruto because she could give him something he couldn't, and we find out that it was two things she gave him when they met, after she told naruto she loves him, his dark side that kyubi was trying to manipulate said that it felt at peace and the kyubi couldn't take it after that and that gave naruto the strength to fight on and she also helped him with her chakra chains.
Minato knew what a jinchuuriki needed because his actions and words spoken to kushina and B make it clear and the fact that his wife was a jinchuuriki herself and he took steps to ensure that naruto received all these things plus weakened the kyubi for him, entrusting everything to him by dying to give him a good chance because he died with a half of the kyubi's power.
He was also the best person suited to take out Tobi with his space time jutsu and the one able to teleport the kyubi's bijuu dama and the only one with fast enough to save naruto and kushina when tobi tried to kill them.
I don't think anyone could have done what Minato did, especially if you consider how many times he had to be in different places at once by using Hirashin, people must remeber that the cave where things happened was FAR away from the village, Tobi used space time jutsu to transport himself to the village and then summoned the kyubi, how would someone wothout Hirashin have followed him and got there in time, how would the other people mentioned have stopped bijju dama, would they have had the knowledge that Minato had about the needs of a jinchuuriki and been able to seal themselves and Kushina and set up all those functions in the seal.
Would they have been able to weaken the kyubi if they didn't know the reaper seal? Would they have been able to transport not only the bijju dama of the kyubi, but the kyubi as well away from konoha to keep the people safe?
Would they have had the resources to defeat Tobi without prep time and would they have done it in time to save the village as well? Would they have defeated Tobi at all for that matter?
blazekev90
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-Nagato bruh, not Pein lol
-The Kyuubi wouldnt help Tobi, he hates and was under his control (unwillingly). Tobi could tell whatever he wants, as long as Itachi gets the Kyuubi outta his control all good. Also, if the Kyuubi is caught it wouldnt matter much.
Darkakatsuki
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Minato did it best bro, yeah sharingan users like Itachi and Sasuke can control bijuu with their sharingan, but the question is could they overpower Tobi's control of the Kyubi, coz Tobi already had control over it so how would they wrestle it away from him? Minato used the vontract seal to do this, do they have those kind of seals? Can their sharingan's overpower Tobi's control over it? Are they fast enough to save Kushina and Naruto from Tobi? Do they have a power that can stop a tailed beast bomb like Minato did by transporting the jutsu away with his space time tech?
Another thing you have to consider is that Naruto wouldn't have the control he has now over the kyubi without Minato's help, remeber that the reaper seal wasn't used to seal the fox in naruto, the four elements seal was used, in fact, two four elements seals were used, one to seal the kyubi's yang and the other to seal Minato and kushina inside of him, also combining the two seals to create the 8 trigrams seal that siphons the kyubi's chakra into naruto's system to increase his chakra reserves and to give him healing abilties from the kyubi's chakra.
The common mistake is that Minato needed to die to seal the fox, but he didn't, Kushina even said so too, asking him why he was using the reaper seal just to seal the kyubi when he knew so many other seals that could do the job.
Minato used the reaper seal to rip out the yin chakra of the kyubi and seal it into HIMSELF so that the death god would take the yin too when it takes his soul, that's why the kyubi shrank in sixe after that and lost its strength, well half of it at least. He then sealed the yang into naruto, which was only half of the kyubi, this was done so the kyubi would be weak enough for naruto to control its power one day.
He sealed himself and set up that he appeared when 8 tails were released, this was probably done to account for naruto losing control if he succumbed to the hate of the village or if the villagers broke him and the fox was released, although pain killing hinata was what actually broke him. It could also have been used to help him when he tried to control the kyubi one day if his will didn't break until then.
Plus Minato knew about a jinchuuriki needing love in order to control a bijuu's power, because he lectured A about it when he fought A and B and Mito told kushina that a jinchuuriki needed to be filled with love, and Kushina told naruto she was happy because of her love with minato and the love mito gave her even though she is a jinvhuuriki, put this together with her chakra chains that are strong enough to subdue the kyubi even when she is at death's door, then we have to cone to the conclusion that Kushina was also a perfect junchuuriki because she had the power to control it with her chains and she had love from Minato.
Minato also told Kushina that he would seal her inside naruto because she could give him something he couldn't, and we find out that it was two things she gave him when they met, after she told naruto she loves him, his dark side that kyubi was trying to manipulate said that it felt at peace and the kyubi couldn't take it after that and that gave naruto the strength to fight on and she also helped him with her chakra chains.
Minato knew what a jinchuuriki needed because his actions and words spoken to kushina and B make it clear and the fact that his wife was a jinchuuriki herself and he took steps to ensure that naruto received all these things plus weakened the kyubi for him, entrusting everything to him by dying to give him a good chance because he died with a half of the kyubi's power.
He was also the best person suited to take out Tobi with his space time jutsu and the one able to teleport the kyubi's bijuu dama and the only one with fast enough to save naruto and kushina when tobi tried to kill them.
I don't think anyone could have done what Minato did, especially if you consider how many times he had to be in different places at once by using Hirashin, people must remeber that the cave where things happened was FAR away from the village, Tobi used space time jutsu to transport himself to the village and then summoned the kyubi, how would someone wothout Hirashin have followed him and got there in time, how would the other people mentioned have stopped bijju dama, would they have had the knowledge that Minato had about the needs of a jinchuuriki and been able to seal themselves and Kushina and set up all those functions in the seal.
Would they have been able to weaken the kyubi if they didn't know the reaper seal? Would they have been able to transport not only the bijju dama of the kyubi, but the kyubi as well away from konoha to keep the people safe?
Would they have had the resources to defeat Tobi without prep time and would they have done it in time to save the village as well? Would they have defeated Tobi at all for that matter?
Fast enough to save naruto and kushina? Been in many places in an instant?
I dunno, but I think people shouldn't try to play down what Minato did.
Another thing you have to consider is that Naruto wouldn't have the control he has now over the kyubi without Minato's help, remeber that the reaper seal wasn't used to seal the fox in naruto, the four elements seal was used, in fact, two four elements seals were used, one to seal the kyubi's yang and the other to seal Minato and kushina inside of him, also combining the two seals to create the 8 trigrams seal that siphons the kyubi's chakra into naruto's system to increase his chakra reserves and to give him healing abilties from the kyubi's chakra.
The common mistake is that Minato needed to die to seal the fox, but he didn't, Kushina even said so too, asking him why he was using the reaper seal just to seal the kyubi when he knew so many other seals that could do the job.
Minato used the reaper seal to rip out the yin chakra of the kyubi and seal it into HIMSELF so that the death god would take the yin too when it takes his soul, that's why the kyubi shrank in sixe after that and lost its strength, well half of it at least. He then sealed the yang into naruto, which was only half of the kyubi, this was done so the kyubi would be weak enough for naruto to control its power one day.
He sealed himself and set up that he appeared when 8 tails were released, this was probably done to account for naruto losing control if he succumbed to the hate of the village or if the villagers broke him and the fox was released, although pain killing hinata was what actually broke him. It could also have been used to help him when he tried to control the kyubi one day if his will didn't break until then.
Plus Minato knew about a jinchuuriki needing love in order to control a bijuu's power, because he lectured A about it when he fought A and B and Mito told kushina that a jinchuuriki needed to be filled with love, and Kushina told naruto she was happy because of her love with minato and the love mito gave her even though she is a jinvhuuriki, put this together with her chakra chains that are strong enough to subdue the kyubi even when she is at death's door, then we have to cone to the conclusion that Kushina was also a perfect junchuuriki because she had the power to control it with her chains and she had love from Minato.
Minato also told Kushina that he would seal her inside naruto because she could give him something he couldn't, and we find out that it was two things she gave him when they met, after she told naruto she loves him, his dark side that kyubi was trying to manipulate said that it felt at peace and the kyubi couldn't take it after that and that gave naruto the strength to fight on and she also helped him with her chakra chains.
Minato knew what a jinchuuriki needed because his actions and words spoken to kushina and B make it clear and the fact that his wife was a jinchuuriki herself and he took steps to ensure that naruto received all these things plus weakened the kyubi for him, entrusting everything to him by dying to give him a good chance because he died with a half of the kyubi's power.
He was also the best person suited to take out Tobi with his space time jutsu and the one able to teleport the kyubi's bijuu dama and the only one with fast enough to save naruto and kushina when tobi tried to kill them.
I don't think anyone could have done what Minato did, especially if you consider how many times he had to be in different places at once by using Hirashin, people must remeber that the cave where things happened was FAR away from the village, Tobi used space time jutsu to transport himself to the village and then summoned the kyubi, how would someone wothout Hirashin have followed him and got there in time, how would the other people mentioned have stopped bijju dama, would they have had the knowledge that Minato had about the needs of a jinchuuriki and been able to seal themselves and Kushina and set up all those functions in the seal.
Would they have been able to weaken the kyubi if they didn't know the reaper seal? Would they have been able to transport not only the bijju dama of the kyubi, but the kyubi as well away from konoha to keep the people safe?
Would they have had the resources to defeat Tobi without prep time and would they have done it in time to save the village as well? Would they have defeated Tobi at all for that matter?
Fast enough to save naruto and kushina? Been in many places in an instant?
I dunno, but I think people shouldn't try to play down what Minato did.
blazekev90
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you may have made good points, but this is way too much lol. All the history and all isnt needed, just a yes or no and a simple why so is good enough. I'm not dowmplaying what he did, if anything this would make me think more of what he did.
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Here's what you need to understand, Minato had the right equimpent to deal with Tobi and the kyuubi simultainously given the situation.
Most of the shinobi you posted above could not have done a better job then Minato in his situation at that time.
Nagato: Now given his abilities of the Rinningan, he could bring back those who had fallen against the kyuubi so he could do better dealing with the casualties then Minato, however, take into account Tobi and the Kyuubi. Will his gravitational feild be enough to stop Bijuudama? Even so what about Tobi? Tobi's migration jutsu allows him to get to Nagato before he can even comprehend what he needs to do with the Kyuubi. It's not a matter of Nagato's jutsu or his level of mastery of the Rinningan, if he can't keep up with Tobi, Tobi can warp him into another dimension and render him completely useless as of that point and once warped he places him under his illusion to keep him under his control. He has sealing jutsu but nothing immediant to seal the kyuubi (except maybe Chibaku Tensai, however we saw an 8tailed Kyuubi nearly break out of it so that's questionable). Nagato has the right amount of power to protec the village and perhaps go head to head with the kyuubi but not Tobil, simply because of his ST
Itachi: Strong as Itachi is, he is going to get wasted within minutes. His intelligance and his skills are great, however against the Kyuubi I'm not even sure that Yata mirror could defend against the Bijuudama. Casualties from the blast that would've ensued had Minato not stopped it, would be much greater if Itachi was fighting, not to mention Itachi was a child at that time either way and had no of the abilities he's demonstrated as of now. Sword of Totsuka, if it could seal the kyuubi, idk, would he? Based on the balance of power and the necessity of everything, he couldn't afford to do that. It's a double wammy, seal the bijuu within the sword forever, loose your country's only bijuu and place yourself at the lowest stand point in power and get dominated by another country, or let it live and you have no defense and your village is devestated or destroyed. Tobi poses another problem for Itachi as well, so itachi wouldn't be right in this situation as well, not to mention Itachi's stamina.
Muu: His ass is done in 2 seconds end of story.
Orochimaru: Not sure if he can handle a full Bijuu maybe wrong. He has a better chance then most others, considering his ability to summon Hashi and Tobi, he could very well provide suitable defense against both the Kyuubi (Hashirama) and Tobi (Toribamra with St jutsu). However Minato confessed to Tobi's jutsu potentially being better then Tobirama's and we don't know Tobirama's abilities in ST jutsu to know if he poses a match to defend himself. However I believe if Orochimaru had Edo Tensai and Hashirama and Tobirama, considering their abilities implied he is perhaps the only person we can consider in this scinerio, to be able to do the job as well as Minato. Could he do it better? If we had more on Tobirama and Hashirama we could make that conclusion or not.
Gorrilla Raikage: Second best option to Oro, Handled the Hachibi and he is incredibly durrable. Has sealing to confine the Kyuubi if you allow him the jar, however since it's an object that can be taken away and not a body imprinted seal, it's less reliable. Tobi's ST still poses a problem for him, however with his speed he could perhaps manage himself against Tobi. Tobi however, has powerful enough genjutsu, we don't know if this is enough to render Gorrilla useless but we have to take that into account. Gorrilla is perhaps the second best option. However casualties will be sustained since he has no way to protect a village from an entire blast, he can't take the kyuubi away from the front of battle and deal with both it, and Tobi at the same time. While the Kyuubi's trying to kill his shit, Tobi is going to be looking for the opening, and he only needs a few milliseconds to get the job done.
Jiraiya: Not a chance in hell
Danzo: Izanagi maybe? I'm not sure if Kotoamatsukami would apply to the Kyuubi. I'm not sure on that one, however durring the time of the attack Danzo wouldn't have the Sharingan he had so he'd be virtually useless, no, he'd get rapped by all nine tails of the kyuubi in another dimension with his old ass. The only thing that made him a contender at his age with the big boys was Hashi's cells and the Sharingan.
Gaara: Raped faster then anybody, just no not even a glimer of hope.
Minato had the right shit for the right time for that situation, deep down inside of him he said "Damn my shit is lucky I have the shit to handle this"
blazekev90
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great post, answered all I really wanted to know with good detail and more. this was all i needed (rep)
btw I still give it to Nagato regardless lol
Orochimaruwantsyourbody
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Nagato-No explanation needed,gedo mazo GG.
Itachi -uses a Crow Bunshin or genjutsu as bait for Tobi to touchwarp and then striking with the Totsuka or Amaterasu is more plausible than using FTG. As is Tsukuyomi, or immediately seals the Fox.
Of course, there will always be counter arguments as to why it's impossible for Itachi to do as well as Minato despite having better techniques and a method of controlling/subduing the Nine Tails with little effort.
The simple truth is that if Itachi was the one that had to defend the village for the plot's sake on that night, then he would do so out of plot necessity, and given his impressive canon displays, it would be perfectly believable/logical.
Orochimaru-No physical attack seems to work on him in Hydra Mode.Hashi with Bringer of Darkness soloes .
Itachi -uses a Crow Bunshin or genjutsu as bait for Tobi to touchwarp and then striking with the Totsuka or Amaterasu is more plausible than using FTG. As is Tsukuyomi, or immediately seals the Fox.
Of course, there will always be counter arguments as to why it's impossible for Itachi to do as well as Minato despite having better techniques and a method of controlling/subduing the Nine Tails with little effort.
The simple truth is that if Itachi was the one that had to defend the village for the plot's sake on that night, then he would do so out of plot necessity, and given his impressive canon displays, it would be perfectly believable/logical.
Orochimaru-No physical attack seems to work on him in Hydra Mode.Hashi with Bringer of Darkness soloes .
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