[Discussion] At this point what can Luffy do to be stronger

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Seems he's reached ceiling of his devil fruit power he's mastered his haki abilities. I think at this point for him to be stronger he'll need a new devil fruit ability like black beard.

What is left for Luffy to do to get stronger.
 

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Seems he's reached ceiling of his devil fruit power he's mastered his haki abilities. I think at this point for him to be stronger he'll need a new devil fruit ability like black beard.

What is left for Luffy to do to get stronger.
I'm still of the group that Conq. Haki will have a fighting capability to it that will become important in big name fights coming up. We also have an unknown amount of forms within G4 to go through. His Busoshoku haki could probably still get stronger.
 

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What would that actually entail to me it seems he's already reached his devil fruit potential now he's using haki to elevate his abilities, but I don't think that will allow him to reach yonko level.
I can think of one thing. Paramecia are said to produce their element/DF(Doffy produces strings, Foxy produces time slowing waves Fuji produces gravity etc.) but Luffy doesn't really produce anything and his body is always rubber whereas Doffy's body isn't strings and Fuji's body isn't gravity(which opens the paramecia/Logia door on the Gumo but that's neither here nor there) so what if his "awakened" form allowed him to produce rubber from his body as most paramecia do? To me this would be depicted as Luffy being able to produce and control rubber tendrils from anywhere on his body, sort of like Venom.

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Luffy being rubber could change the shape to make it so he has multiple fists, imagine his gatling type attacks with an extra dozen hands flying. Or he could shape his rubber and make it long and thin then coat it with haki making it like a blade of sorts.
 
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What would that actually entail to me it seems he's already reached his devil fruit potential now he's using haki to elevate his abilities, but I don't think that will allow him to reach yonko level.
He seems to have reached the full potential, but awakening is the next level. For a Naruto comparison, if Naruto were to master KCM fully without delving into BM, doesn't that mean he's not using the Kyuubi's own full power and still has more to learn even though he alraedy mastered a part of its power?
 

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I can think of one thing. Paramecia are said to produce their element/DF(Doffy produces strings, Foxy produces time slowing waves Fuji produces gravity etc.) but Luffy doesn't really produce anything and his body is always rubber whereas Doffy's body isn't strings and Fuji's body isn't gravity(which opens the paramecia/Logia door on the Gumo but that's neither here nor there) so what if his "awakened" form allowed him to produce rubber from his body as most paramecia do? To me this would be depicted as Luffy being able to produce and control rubber tendrils from anywhere on his body, sort of like Venom.

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Luffy being rubber could change the shape to make it so he has multiple fists, imagine his gatling type attacks with an extra dozen hands flying. Or he could shape his rubber and make it long and thin then coat it with haki making it like a blade of sorts.
This is possible I just think at this point Luffy has reached his full devil fruit potential if there was really more he could do I think he would of done it by now. And his devil fruit works by making his body into rubber Luffy has only shown basic body manipulation.
 

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He seems to have reached the full potential, but awakening is the next level. For a Naruto comparison, if Naruto were to master KCM fully without delving into BM, doesn't that mean he's not using the Kyuubi's own full power and still has more to learn even though he alraedy mastered a part of its power?
But have we even seen any character reach a devil fruit awakening, I think at this point Luffys devil fruit power depends on his haki potential
 

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But have we even seen any character reach a devil fruit awakening, I think at this point Luffys devil fruit power depends on his haki potential
No. That does not mean at all that one cannot awaken it however...

Introducing the concept as big as awakening is pointless if you're not gonna have the protagonist learn it.
 

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No. That does not mean at all that one cannot awaken it however...

Introducing the concept as big as awakening is pointless if you're not gonna have the protagonist learn it.
Someone could argue that Luffy already awakened his devil fruit, and maybe there's a level Luffy still hasn't reached allowing for further manipulation of his rubber ability, this is possible and I'm not ruling it out, I'm just confused what else is there for Luffy to do to reach this max awakened mode, you hear people talking saying Luffy gain to ability to manipulate his surroundings or other abilities. But based on his devil fruit description his devil fruit turns him to a rubber man to me it looks like he's awakened his potential as that and I think the only thing left is either awaken further haki potential or gain another devil fruit.
 

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Someone could argue that Luffy already awakened his devil fruit, and maybe there's a level Luffy still hasn't reached allowing for further manipulation of his rubber ability, this is possible and I'm not ruling it out, I'm just confused what else is there for Luffy to do to reach this max awakened mode, you hear people talking saying Luffy gain to ability to manipulate his surroundings or other abilities. But based on his devil fruit description his devil fruit turns him to a rubber man to me it looks like he's awakened his potential as that and I think the only thing left is either awaken further haki potential or gain another devil fruit.
You lost the validity of the argument the moment you used a maybe scenario to back it up. Luffy has not awakened his devil fruit based on our current knowledge, so right now, that's what's canon, and based on what's canon right now, he's still to get the boost from awakening his devil fruit. So there you have it.
 

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You lost the validity of the argument the moment you used a maybe scenario to back it up. Luffy has not awakened his devil fruit based on our current knowledge, so right now, that's what's canon, and based on what's canon right now, he's still to get the boost from awakening his devil fruit. So there you have it.
Has it verbatim been said that Luffy hasn't went through devil fruit awakening, devil fruit awakening is explained the ability to maximize devil fruit abilities which his gears does. Since we don't have characters in series to point at that they awakened their devil fruit it's hard to say if Luffy has or hasn't reached his potential which is why I said it's possible that Luffy might have more growth devil fruit wise, but I'm doubtful of this.
 

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Has it verbatim been said that Luffy hasn't went through devil fruit awakening, devil fruit awakening is explained the ability to maximize devil fruit abilities which his gears does. Since we don't have characters in series to point at that they awakened their devil fruit it's hard to say if Luffy has or hasn't reached his potential which is why I said it's possible that Luffy might have more growth devil fruit wise, but I'm doubtful of this.
To maximise is to use something to their full potential. There's no real way of knowing what the Gomu Gomu no Mi's full potential is, so until we're given confirmation that what Luffy uses is truly its maximum potential, then he hasn't awakened.
 
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He hasn't mastered Haki? He finished the basics and then went into armament/conquerors as his stronger types.. I think his armament can get stronger as he said himself it's not strong enough yet and also his conquerors to develop further as he carries on his adventure, unlocking other uses as previously mentioned.

As for his devil fruit, I think there will be a gear 5, but it could even be tied into that being his awakening in some form. I think he has used his ability better than anyone could have imagined, but as Riker said, I want him to increase his base stats so that his gears just have further potential... It'd be boss if he could go toe to toe with someone like Smoker just in his base and when Smoker thinks he's possibly got the upper hand, Luffy just has to go gear 2 to shut him down :D
 
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