Ashura and the Bijuu
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FoxesInWonderland
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Current base naruto still has Rsm. It's a part of his chakra. Base hashi loses to base naruto.
Mister Famous
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Define base. Clearly we're not thinking the same thing... Rikudou Senjutsu mode is base because it's part of his chakra? If so... You might as well as Rinnegan Sasuke is base because it's part of his dojutsu. And RSM Madara is base because it's part of his current chakra as well from being its Jinchuuriki. Because SM Hashirama will wreck Naruto with that giant Buddha statue.
Without the nine tailed fox Naruto would be dead, dead and dead. That's the reason he's still alive unlike poor Nawaki Senju.
Next Naruto's generation of Ninja Academy education would still be crap because of traitor Mizuki and boring Iruka, his teachers would still teach him nothing because Jiraiya doesn't teach anything, even during Rasengan training and Kakashi reads smut all day every day, even when training Sasuke, and probably forever if he could.
He would still have to learn how to read on his own because his parents would still be dead and looks like a certain something that attacked when he was born. He wouldn't have friends since their parents think he's the nine tail fox incarnated because he has three whiskers on each side of his cheek from birth. And his own chakra level being super high that he can spam thousands of shadow clones a day is likely because he has the nine tailed fox sealed in him at birth which is the time chakra point development is affected the most during the first year of life.
So Naruto would actually be worse off, and dead like many other ninja in the series.
Hell you know those two chuunin missing nin henchmen of Zabuza? Naruto would die right there and then from blood loss in his first C rank Mission. Which is a pathetic death for non-jinchuuriki!Naruto, but would probably die because Naruto has been hitting all of his death flags since the day he went on that C rank mission to wave.
Therefore there is almost no chance of being better than Hashirama or on his level. He can only beat Pein which he got from Toad Sage mode, and Sage Mode isn't OP enough to beat the equivalent of Susannoo and EMS. Assuming that he isn't dead from pure luck.
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i dont think ashura's avatar had anything to do with the bijuu either a few years back before it was known what ashura and indra's name's were.i made a theory stating that the younger son would have the same form as bijuu naruto without the help of massive amounts of yang chakra from kurama
i was wrong about some parts but i was right about the younger son
hatred made sasuke's yin chakra grow "love"and cooperation probably made ashura's yang chakra grow
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i was wrong about some parts but i was right about the younger son
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hatred made sasuke's yin chakra grow "love"and cooperation probably made ashura's yang chakra grow
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Naruto didnt have inner power to awaken. Ashura's OWN chakra bloomed. You're being real slow right now and I have lost all patience.
And I havent neglected the story. You are. You are of a notion that Naruto and Ashura are the same. They are not. They walked the same path as stated by Hagoromo. Ashura was'nt a juubi jin and did not tske chakra from anyone else.
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Naruto would never reach Hashi's level without the bijuu. No one has ever reached Hashirama's level in the whole shinobi world. Naruto didnt inherit anything special from his lineage nor did he have a hidden power to awaken. He literally needed the bijuu to reach Hashi.
You just took canon naruto and removed the 9 tails from him.
There is no reason for both his parents to be dead if he isn't a jinchuriki, both of them would be alive if minato sealed the nine tails back in kushina. If she dies with the 9 tails minato lives. Either both of the parents survive or one of them survives.
Naruto would be taught by either both or one parent.
Naruto always had huge chakra levels since birth, minato's body was strained by the 9 tails chakra and went numb. Baby naruto was unfazed by the same chakra quantity heck he was still asleep.
He would have friends because of who's child he is
I am not saying he would be as strong as hashirama but he wouldn't be weak by any means, naruto without the 9 tails changes the whole plot, you can't just use canon naruto that was written to be a jinchuriki and then remove the 9 tails and say that's how he would be.
The parents did not hate naruto because of whisker marks they knew he was a jinchuriki considering how many weird looking people exist in the village you think anyone would give naruto's whisker marks much thought?
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This is pretty much what I mean't. There's no guarantee he would be as strong as Hashi, but there's also no guarantee that he'd be weaker. There'd be more possibilities for Naruto, if Kurama was never sealed in him. Like you said, he'd have atleast one of his parents teach him their special jutsu. He might also have a second affinity, next to wind. He also wouldn't have anything disturbing his chakra at a young age, and would make clones with ease.
The 3 years Jiraiya spent with Naruto mostly involved controlling Kurama. Without Kurama, those 3 years would've been spent on other more useful things. He'd probably be better at Genjutsu as well. Then there's sage mode to boost his entire arsenal.
Some people just don't put these possibilities into consideration :|
Just because you say that doesn't make it true. Ashura wasn't blessed with Hagos powerful chakra like Indra was. He called him no good, theres a good chance he did. Infact I'd say it's heavily implied.
FoxesInWonderland
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No Rsm is a part of narutos chakra now. Have you read the data book? There are different forms of Rsm but his base form isn't the same as it used to be. He has universal comprehension bro. Come on now.
I agree with you, there is nothing in the manga that proves that Ashura didn't get power from a bijuu or from people, as the OP seems to say.
The idea that Ashura got chakra from people fits well the fact that the thing that allow Ashura to blossom chakra into his body is "cooperation and help of other people" associated with "suffering and hard training".But...
How could people give chakra to Ashura if the only ones that got chakra at that time were Hamura's and Hagoromo's descendants?
Neji Hyūga2
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You right sir. Clearly stated right there.
Ashura would've been way stronger than Indra if he had any of the beast's power within and Naruto is only at his level while including the beasts power.
Ashura would've been way stronger than Indra if he had any of the beast's power within and Naruto is only at his level while including the beasts power.
He was blessed with it. Where do think the Senju get their power. From Ashura. Just like haringan comes from Indra. It spread with those two.
Ashura awakened his own power. I'm not just saying it. Its stated plain as day.
Mister Famous
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Nobody else in the village has them... And assume Usumaki Naruto has no Bloodline Limit. Villagers point fingers, they always do this.
The ninja don't really pay attention to him, or just completely ignore him. What makes you think they'll teach their trade to some blonde kid that flunked at school?
Also what makes you think Minato or Kushina can seal 9 tail fox alone? It took both of them to seal 9 tails.
Kushina was about to drop dead out of chakra exhaustion combined with child labor and even binding it in a foot in the grave while Minato does a bunch of ninja handsigns. Minato is the one who uses the seal. Otherwise they fail and Konoha along with Naruto die from either Chakra poisoning or Kyuubis rampage.
Also Naruto doesn't really have friends except for a ramen stand making their living off him, and Iruka later. He does have a stalker.
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He hangs out with Choji, Kiba and Shika, but isn't likely to be learning any clan jutsu. He'd sooner be pissed off after getting his butt kicked by Kiba in taijutsu and flip the board when Shika plays shogi with him.
With all the ramen Naruto eats there's a big chance of Akimichi!Naruto happening and being at Hashirama's level that way. But very unlikely.
Edit: Imagine about 100 biju sized Naruto clones fighting Hashirama. That's just scary.
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After they sealed KAguya, everyone had chakra I believed. That's why Hago was spreading ninshuu which is chakra sharing while ninjutsu derived from it thus creating wars.
I'm not saying he didn't inherit anything but to match INdra he probably needed more power and used ninshuu as a means of getting it. It's literally the same thing naruto does with sm and kurama.