Ashura and the Bijuu

[Jokule67]

After they sealed KAguya, everyone had chakra I believed. That's why Hago was spreading ninshuu which is chakra sharing while ninjutsu derived from it thus creating wars.



I'm not saying he didn't inherit anything but to match INdra he probably needed more power and used ninshuu as a means of getting it. It's literally the same thing naruto does with sm and kurama.

His own inner chakra awakened and it was the SAME as Indras. Its his own. Not anyone elses. It literally says this.

He had to depend on others to match Indras power until he awakened his own CHAKRA that exactly matched Indras. Its plain as day. You just choose to ignore because you will forever see Ashura as a good for nothing that fully depends on people. Thats not how the story goes.

 

[davidou]

After they sealed KAguya, everyone had chakra I believed. That's why Hago was spreading ninshuu which is chakra sharing while ninjutsu derived from it thus creating wars.

I think that Hagoromo could have spread chakra networks, to make some humans he became friend with during his travel, able to use ninshuu.
It's very probable that those guys (or their descendants) would come to help Ashura, who had been named by the creator of ninshuu, the successor of ninshuu.

His own inner chakra awakened and it was the SAME as Indras. Its his own. Not anyone elses. It literally says this.

He had to depend on others to match Indras power until he awakened his own CHAKRA that exactly matched Indras. Its plain as day. You just choose to ignore because you will forever see Ashura as a good for nothing that fully depends on people. Thats not how the story goes.

Hagoromo:"...cooperation and help of other people is what made him strong."
It's plain as day.

And the scan doesn't literally say that the chakra that bloomed into his body is the one and only thing that made him gain as much power as his brother...
Why do you say it does?Can you post the scan you're referring to?

 

[Jokule67]

I think that Hagoromo could have spread chakra networks, to make some humans he became friend with during his travel, able to use ninshuu.
It's very probable that those guys (or their descendants) would come to help Ashura, who had been named by the creator of ninshuu, the successor of ninshuu.



Hagoromo:"...cooperation and help of other people is what made him strong."
It's plain as day.

And the scan doesn't literally say that the chakra that bloomed into his body is the one and only thing that made him gain as much power as his brother...
Why do you say it does?Can you post the scan you're referring to?

"To have the SAME power as his brother he needed much effort and the cooperation of other people"

"Through suffering and training hard the CHAKRA IN HIS BODY BLOOMED and he GAINED the same power as his brother."

Its a timeline of events.

Before this Ashura had to use others to match his strength. So if he DID use anyone else he'd be stronger than Indra because he could already match Indra with the help of others. This strength is his own.

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[davidou]

"Through suffering and training hard the chakra in his body bloomed and he gained the same power as his brother."

You forgot the punctuation.
"Through suffering and training hard the chakra in his body bloomed.. And he gained the same power as his brother."

It doesn't literally say that the chakra that bloomed in his body is the one and only thing that made him gain as much power as his brother.
Those ambiguous words (as usual for Hagoromo, the sage that can't talk clearly) can be interpreted in different ways.

 

[Jokule67]

You forgot the punctuation.
"Through suffering and training hard the chakra in his body bloomed.. And he gained the same power as his brother."

It doesn't literally say that the chakra that bloomed in his body is the one and only thing that made him gain as much power as his brother.
Those ambiguous words (as usual for Hagoromo, the sage that can't talk clearly) can be interpreted in different ways.

He could already match Indra with his followers. Any more strength from Ashura himself would put him above indra. Read the rest of my post

Hago said he had the same power as Indra TWICE.

"First he needed others to match Indra, then he awakened his chakra and gained the same power as Indra"

 

[davidou]

He could already match Indra with his followers. Any more strength from Ashura himself would put him above indra. Read the rest of my post

Hago said he had the same power as Indra TWICE.

"First he needed others to match Indra, then he awakened his chakra and gained the same power as Indra"

, your reasonning is completely false.

The scan doesn't literally say that the chakra that bloomed in his body is the one and only thing that made him gain as much power as his brother.
That's a fact, that soloes your thread.

 

[Jokule67]

, your reasonning is completely false.

The scan doesn't literally say that the chakra that bloomed in his body is the one and only thing that made him gain as much power as his brother.
That's a fact, that soloes your thread.

Its not false and its not reasoning. He already had the same battle strength prior to awakening his own power. With the new power he was able to personally match Indra on his own. He didnt need anyone anymore. Rather they needed him now. He was their leader.

Why do you think he was a Successor to Ninshu? He had to have loads of Chakra to do what Naruto did in the war. You dont create an avatar from people. You give THEM power. Naruto demonstrated this. Its meant to share YOUR power with others. It doesnt combine powers. It seperates to make everyone equal and powerful. Thats what Ninshu is.

No ONE person should have all the power. You cant give all your power to one person that is the opposite of Ninshu.

His Avatar is not the result of combining anybody else's chakra. Its his own chakra. "Blossomed" and "Same Power as his Brother" should have done it for you. Ashura could not have been Successor of Ninshu unless he had power himself to distribute chakra.

If you want to see how Ninshu cant be used here a thread proving why that is just plain retarded. It gies against Hago's way and how he praised Ashura.

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[davidou]

Its not false and its not reasoning. He already had the same battle strength prior to awakening his own power. With the new power he was able to personally match Indra on his own. He didnt need anyone anymore. Rather they needed him now. He was their leader.

That's some added meaning that bloomed into your brain, that was never said in the manga.
The funny thing is that Hagoromo states the contrary of your deduction in the next sentence that you are focusing on.

Why do you think he was a Successor to Ninshu? He had to have loads of Chakra to do what Naruto did in the war. You dont create an avatar from people. You give THEM power. Naruto demonstrated this. Its meant to share YOUR power with others. It doesnt combine powers. It seperates to make everyone equal and powerful. Thats what Ninshu is.

There are only assumptions in this paragraph, and some of them are obviously false, even if you claim that your assumptions are true.
Are you trying to prove something with your hypothesis?Are you crazy?

No ONE person should have all the power. You cant give all your power to one person that is the opposite of Ninshu.

His Avatar is not the result of combining anybody else's chakra. Its his own chakra. "Blossomed" and "Same Power as his Brother" should have done it for you. Ashura could not have been Successor of Ninshu unless he had power himself to distribute chakra.

You are just saying again and again that you are right without giving any reason although I gave you a fact that counters your affirmation.You lose.

 

[Jokule67]

That's some added meaning that bloomed into your brain, that was never said in the manga.
The funny thing is that Hagoromo states the contrary of your deduction in the next sentence that you are focusing on.



There are only assumptions in this paragraph, and some of them are obviously false, even if you claim that your assumptions are true.
Are you trying to prove something with your hypothesis?Are you crazy?



You are just saying again and again that you are right without giving any reason although I gave you a fact that counters your affirmation.You lose.

Him using Ninshu and taking in everyones power is not Ashura's way Its Kaguya's. Ashura cant do that and Ninshu does not work that way. Ashura is the Sucessor giving the Chakra to connect feelings with others and make THEM strong. Naruto already showed you what Ninshu was. You dont use it to make one person strong using everyone. You just to stupid to see it.

Ashura could not be Successor had he not his own power just as Naruto did in the war. I already ruled out Ninshu giving him an Avatar. Thats stupid to think Ninshu would buff him up. It cant. These arent assumptions. If you paid attention you'd know what Ninshu was and realize that Ashura was committed to that creed.

And Hago never said he gave him a SINGLE bijuu.Not even Kurama states this and he remembers EVERYTHING. Hago or Kurama would have mentioned if he was a jin let alone a jin of all 9.

My point was to rule out NINSHU and him being a JINCHURIKI. And I have done that. You lose.

 

[davidou]

Him using Ninshu and taking in everyones power is not Ashura's way Its Kaguya's. Ashura cant do that and Ninshu does not work that way. Ashura is the Sucessor giving the Chakra to connect feelings with others and make THEM strong. Naruto already showed you what Ninshu was. You dont use it to make one person strong using everyone. You just to stupid to see it.

Ashura could not be Successor had he not his own power just as Naruto did in the war. I already ruled out Ninshu giving him an Avatar. Thats stupid to think Ninshu would buff him up. It cant. These arent assumptions. If you paid attention you'd know what Ninshu was and realize that Ashura was committed to that creed.

And Hago never said he gave him a SINGLE bijuu.Not even Kurama states this and he remembers EVERYTHING. Hago or Kurama would have mentioned if he was a jin let alone a jin of all 9.

My point was to rule out NINSHU and him being a JINCHURIKI. And I have done that. You lose.

I never said that Ashura would be the only one to use ninshuu...
Someone able to use ninshuu (remember, Hagoromo spread ninshuu) could help enhance Ashura's power as Naruto did for Hinata.

It's an assumtion that Kurama would have mentionned it.

So you didn't rule out ninshuu and him being a jin...

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

I never said that Ashura would be the only one to use ninshuu...
Someone able to use ninshuu (remember, Hagoromo spread ninshuu) could help enhance Ashura's power as Naruto did for Hinata.

It's an assumtion that Kurama would have mentionned it.

So you didn't rule out ninshuu and him being a jin...

man you are either trolling or dumb as bricks! I genuinely hope it's the former because I don't wanna live in a world where people like you exist.

everything the other guy has said is true or very logical.stop with your shitty and baseless argument

 

[davidou]

man you are either trolling or dumb as bricks! I genuinely hope it's the former because I don't wanna live in a world where people like you exist.

everything the other guy has said is true or very logical.stop with your shitty and baseless argument

Say the guy that can't counter those arguments...Like a kitty in his corner, you are aggressive and you throw insults.
I'm completely indifferent to your meaningless post.

 

[Gerkak]

Nobody else in the village has them... And assume Usumaki Naruto has no Bloodline Limit. Villagers point fingers, they always do this.
The ninja don't really pay attention to him, or just completely ignore him. What makes you think they'll teach their trade to some blonde kid that flunked at school?

Never said random ninja are gonna teach him anything, but his academy instructers would. It was naruto's own fault for not learning anything in the academy.

Also what makes you think Minato or Kushina can seal 9 tail fox alone? It took both of them to seal 9 tails.

Minato did the sealing kushina restrained the kyuubi she was not involved in the sealing itself.

Kushina was about to drop dead out of chakra exhaustion combined with child labor and even binding it in a foot in the grave while Minato does a bunch of ninja handsigns. Minato is the one who uses the seal. Otherwise they fail and Konoha along with Naruto die from either Chakra poisoning or Kyuubis rampage.

Yeah kushina was about to die and minato could have sealed kyuubi in her and let her die with it meaning he survives minato as shown during the war arc is perfectly capable of sealing bijuu.

Also Naruto doesn't really have friends except for a ramen stand making their living off him, and Iruka later. He does have a stalker.

You think he wouldn't have more friends if minato survived, children would have wanted to know him since he is the fourth's son.
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He hangs out with Choji, Kiba and Shika, but isn't likely to be learning any clan jutsu. He'd sooner be pissed off after getting his butt kicked by Kiba in taijutsu and flip the board when Shika plays shogi with him.

What fanfic is this, naruto was shown up by sasuke for most of the manga yet he still tried to be his friend why would he end their friendship if kiba or shikamaru defeat him?

With all the ramen Naruto eats there's a big chance of Akimichi!Naruto happening and being at Hashirama's level that way. But very unlikely.

And he isn't akimichi now because?

 

[Liquid Snake]

Every one knows this

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Sure Ashura didn't have the bijuus, but it's not like he paralleled Indra on his own. He was given RSM from Hagoromo to equal Indra much like Naruto was given Kurama to equal Sasuke.

Ashura achieved same power as Indra through hard work and suffering, but that was obviously 3T Indra. Ashura needed the RSM power from Hagoromo to rival MS Indra.