[Discussion] A's raw speed & Minato's raw speed

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Clearly no point trying to discuss. You may hate the Minato fanboys and that's fine whatever I don't really care. But if you're going to have a discussion of pure speed then nearly party should be able to use any of their abilities. Or they both should have access to all of them. Otherwise you're tipping the scales in A's favor, which makes for a pointless debate.
Without any Ninja tools involved, A' would win simply because he can manipulate his chakra (Sasuke Uchiha) and increase his reflexes to that of Minato's level. His speed is already on Minato's FTG level, just slightly inferior.
 

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How many threads are you going to start on this topic?

Sure, whatever, you can believe that Raikage is the fastest ninja ever. He is faster than SS3 Goku in fact. Is that better now?

If not, then let's get back to naruto reality. Minato was considered faster than Raikage

- "I am the fastest shinobi alive now that the fourth hokage has passed away"

Even Raikage wouldn't agree with you
He was comparing his speed to FTG, derp.
 

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Every kind of jutsu uses chakra and ftg is a jutsu. Just stop making these threads. You're really starting to piss people off. You don't like minato and you think he's overrated fine, but stop trying to force your opinion on other people because it's not going to work. Raikage stated in the manga that minato was faster than he was end of story. Now enough with these damn threads.
It's not a ninjutsu at all, it's more like Fuuninjutsu, lol.
 

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I'm going to use Tobi's line here. When Danzou said to Sasuke that his genjutsu is weaker than Itachi's, Tobi stated after the battle were Danzou fell to genjutsu that he doesn't matter how weak or strong a genjutsu is but how you use it.

For this you can say the same that how or who's speed would be used in many different advantages?

I know we shouldn't compare much but remember Tobi's and Minato battle? Minato speed did overcome Tobi and he even marked him, released the nine tails and wounded him at the same time (I know Tobi wa snot a 100% an d had nine tails under control at the same time). What would have Raikage done in that situation?

I believe Minato with his speed and Intelligent is much more better than Raikage.

FTG is his jutsu sure people can learn it but can they use it the way he can? are you saying Sasuke can get that lightening armour as he has tamed lightening and increase his speed to be better than Raikage? Their maybe more to the lightening armour but he is a possible candidate right?
 

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Without any Ninja tools involved, A' would win simply because he can manipulate his chakra (Sasuke Uchiha) and increase his reflexes to that of Minato's level. His speed is already on Minato's FTG level, just slightly inferior.

The ability to use Lighting Armour is a tool. The ability to manipulate chakra is a tool in the Ninja arsenal.
 

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I'm going to use Tobi's line here. When Danzou said to Sasuke that his genjutsu is weaker than Itachi's, Tobi stated after the battle were Danzou fell to genjutsu that he doesn't matter how weak or strong a genjutsu is but how you use it.

For this you can say the same that how or who's speed would be used in many different advantages?

I know we shouldn't compare much but remember Tobi's and Minato battle? Minato speed did overcome Tobi and he even marked him, released the nine tails and wounded him at the same time (I know Tobi wa snot a 100% an d had nine tails under control at the same time). What would have Raikage done in that situation?

I believe Minato with his speed and Intelligent is much more better than Raikage.

FTG is his jutsu sure people can learn it but can they use it the way he can? are you saying Sasuke can get that lightening armour as he has tamed lightening and increase his speed to be better than Raikage? Their maybe more to the lightening armour but he is a possible candidate right?
He used FTG to get close to Madara, lol.
No tech is faster than Madara's Space Time jutsu though.

Sasuke CAN get lighting armor.
 

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It's still jutsu and every jutsu except taijutsu uses chakra. Now please stop arguing with people because you're not going to change there minds, it's as simple as that.
agreed, there are so many of this thread out there, when people DO have the option to like who they want, so like that ninja and just deal with it....

A said he was the "fastest now that Minato was dead." HE SAID IT!!!!!!! but since A fanboys DON'T accept it for now, maybe Kishi should just have a few chaps covering one of their battles to show them!
 

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No it's actually not.
How isn't it a tool? And don't give me the it's his own chakra BS, because if you use it in battle than it's a ninja tool. The lightning armor is a battle tool for raikage just as much as ftg is a battle tool for minato.
 

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I have been telling everyone this before that A is faster than Minato w/o FTG, but nobody believes me.

Lighting Armor - HIS OWN CHAKRA.
FTG - Teleporting because of summoning seals.

Big difference.
you misunderstand bro, Minato is not fast because of his FTG, Ftg doesnt use any time since its a teleportation technique, so i dont think u can call it fast, just timeless!

Minato is fast because his Normal Speed is almost as fast as a Flash!!, raikages speed is almost equal to that of lightning, whilst minatos normal Speed is more Close to a flash!, as in light Speed!!

So minato is faster in my opinion!
 
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