[Discussion] A's raw speed & Minato's raw speed

[fastrthnwind]

Not that this matters a whole lot... but I don't think we've seen all of minato's abilities.

Sure he mastered the FTG tech to a great extent but when he fought madara and landed the rasengan, he said that it was level 2 of his tech.

We don't know the full capabilities of minato, nor have we seen everything that A has to show yet. It will most likely be settled in due time however when Kishi feels necessary

 

[bboyhurricane]

friend before someone bashes you I will tell you:
Minato didn't keep A, Bee pushed A out of harms way, getting a tentacle cut in the way. xd

really? because I thought Minato was on A's back, and kicked him and jumped to cut the tentacle.....I'll need to reread I guess...

 

[bboyhurricane]

#wrong, I'm not complaining about shyt, I'm saying y da hell would u waste your time with something u don't agree with, especially if your not gonna debate about it, but rather sit there and bytch.

because a few of us on here ARE having a discussion....we made the point because the original poster isn't aruging, now we're talking raionally, if you want join in, if not, go away.

 

[Supa]

Well FTG is part of Minato. I don't see why anyone would try to argue against it. Then let's argue that Naruto should be without the fox and Sasuke shouldn't have MS. Also why does Raikage have chakra. Not allowed. It needs to be proper competition and all of them should be equal in terms of restrictions.

on a side note : do you like DBZ?

Here's the difference. Raikage is using his chakra, Minato is using something not part of him.

 

[Supa]

Yes, What difference does that make he used the tech and was quick about doing all that to Tobi.

Your trying to stripped that away from him, It's like taking MS from Itachi, Sasuke, Madara and Izuna (Take EMS from Madara). We know Uchiha are born with with bloodline but they have to earn the Sharingan and eventually earn and train to get MS and it's abilities. Non-Uchiha are able to get sharingan and MS (Kakashi) but they aren't as good (Also take Pein and his six bodies away and make him how he was when he was just Nagato, would Jiriya beat him than? Would Naruto win that easily too?). Minato learned FTG and mastered to a whole new lvl. The 2nd was one known to also have the ability who Minato surpassed.

These are their ability and something in their arsenal we can't take away be it that they were born with it or they training you can't go around stripping them of their abilities.

Minato had a few techs and some we may not have heard yet so wouldn't say he had two techs and even if he did and became one of the strongest kages than that would sad towards other kages who can't surpass him when he only has two techs. (also elders and villages told their shinobi to ran from him if they met him a man with two techs lol)

MS is a part of Itachi's bloodline, while FTG isn't part of Minato it's just a Ninja weapon, lol.

 

[niblack89]

To me A caught Minato off guard. If you didn't notice Minato caught A off guard too. Minato expected A to be fast but not as fast as him. All that chapter did was show us that A and Minato were two fast dudes. Minato's reflexes were top notch to use the FTG at that close range.

Now if Bee didn't interfere Minato could have did some damage. A was in the range of Minato's FTGs. Were even if their speeds match up they mean nothing.

 

[bboyhurricane]

so, if Minato didn't kick A, does that mean that Bee hit A with his tenatacle? Or am I just not comprehending that part?

 

[Supa]

To me A caught Minato off guard. If you didn't notice Minato caught A off guard too. Minato expected A to be fast but not as fast as him. All that chapter did was show us that A and Minato were two fast dudes. Minato's reflexes were top notch to use the FTG at that close range.

Now if Bee didn't interfere Minato could have did some damage. A was in the range of Minato's FTGs. Were even if their speeds match up they mean nothing.

Minato Namikaze was anticipating A's attack, because he obviously knew he had some super fast technique. Minato didn't throw the knife, he went to the spot where he throw one of his knives already. It's common sense.

If Bee didn't intervene, A would have likely got his ass kicked, lol.

 

[Supa]

so, if Minato didn't kick A, does that mean that Bee hit A with his tenatacle? Or am I just not comprehending that part?

Bee tripped A'.

 

[bboyhurricane]

Bee tripped A'.

ok, thank you.

so A said "sorry b", because his tentacle was cut? Curse this small screen.

 

[Gin-San]

Here's the difference. Raikage is using his chakra, Minato is using something not part of him.

It really doesn't matter, raw means raw

 

[The Immortal]

Minato is faster

 

[niblack89]

Minato Namikaze was anticipating A's attack, because he obviously knew he had some super fast technique. Minato didn't throw the knife, he went to the spot where he throw one of his knives already. It's common sense.

If Bee didn't intervene, A would have likely got his ass kicked, lol.

It was an attack that he almost missed if he saw it A wouldn't have gotten that close. Obviously he anticipated it but seeing it is two different things. The attack caught him off guard.

Also that I agree if Bee did help out Minato would have finished A.

Bee tripped A'.

I don't think that Bee tripped him. On the next panel you see A apologizing to Bee for rushing in. Making Bee rescue him. If Bee tripped him it would be Bee apologizing not A

Naruto kyuubi/sage mode is the fastest of all time.

 

[Anub]

Here's the difference. Raikage is using his chakra, Minato is using something not part of him.

Minato is using chakra as well. As his space-time jutsu is one of his jutsus and are a part of his arsenal/abilities. Would you argue that Rinnegan is not a part of Nagato or Sharingan is not a part of Itachi? Come on.

 

[masterylucain]

Seriously? Lighting Armor is used to ENHANCE his abilities. It increases his speed to use it. If you really want to compare speed you'd have to compare them with absolutely no abilities.

well this is true, the raiton armor is to enhance

Look, I don't like A, and I'm not a Minato fanboy....but you titled it RAW strength, meaning that A doesn't get his armor either. It's just speed based, no extras......and we might as well wait to see if Kishi decides to show us another A vs Minato fight to give us the answer.
his is true too. raw means leg and foot running, no other shit.

I think it's super funny that there are many more ?s out there to be answered, yet everyone is freaking out about this ONE tiny battle. If you like A, support him! If you like Minato, support him. Wait for Kishi to tell us....below are my ?s.
the truth is, just belive that rakage said minato was faster
spoilers perhaps

What is Sasuke doing? His eyes?
Can Naruto be more like Minato, no fox mode and teleportation?
What will Itachi and Pain do?
Suigetsu, one-man-seven swordsman-of the mist?
What power did Itachi give Naruto?
Can Madara complete his Moon plan anyway? He has Gin-Kin bros, who have Kyuubi chakra, and he has the eight-tailed tentacle Sasuke cut off....which has eight-tailed chakra....can he go ahead with his plan???[/QUOTE]
that is true, can he?

He's manipulating HIS chakra, while FTG is a TOOL.

doesnt matter, raiton armor enhanes his speed power an damage, FTG is just dedicated to speed and telepirtation, say u happen to move at the speed of sound, and i have a tool that makes me slightly slower, then u could make a thread like this with the exact same points

Minato is faster

more details please...............

Minato is using chakra as well. As his space-time jutsu is one of his jutsus and are a part of his arsenal/abilities. Would you argue that Rinnegan is not a part of Nagato or Sharingan is not a part of Itachi? Come on.

this is true. and a ninja needs to do whatever to be better, weather r not it's skil ,brains, tools, or cheating. u gotta do what ya need to do

 

[javu]

What I find interesting is that Minato didn't need the FTG technique to escape the Raikage in this past chapter. If you look closely:

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He uses the Body Flicker technique. And to be sure, you can see the kunai he was holding falling the earth in the box below. What's really impressive is that he was able to see the Raikage's attack so quickly and then use the Body Flicker technique just as fast to escape to the point where the Raikage was shocked, hence his "!!?".

So if the Minato's Body Flicker technique is faster than the Raikage's enhanced lightning speed, his FTG should be well faster than the latter.

 

[fastrthnwind]

What I find interesting is that Minato didn't need the FTG technique to escape the Raikage in this past chapter. If you look closely, He uses the Body Flicker technique. And to be sure, you can see the kunai he was holding falling the earth in the box below. What's really impressive is that he was able to see the Raikage's attack so quickly and then use the Body Flicker technique just as fast to escape to the point where the Raikage was shocked, hence his "!!?".

So if the Minato's Body Flicker technique is faster than the Raikage's enhanced lightning speed, his FTG should be well faster than the latter.

He doesn't use the body flicker tech because he appears at one of his marked kunai. This should therefore concludes that he used the FTG tech.

 

[masterylucain]

What I find interesting is that Minato didn't need the FTG technique to escape the Raikage in this past chapter. If you look closely:

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He uses the Body Flicker technique. And to be sure, you can see the kunai he was holding falling the earth in the box below. What's really impressive is that he was able to see the Raikage's attack so quickly and then use the Body Flicker technique just as fast to escape to the point where the Raikage was shocked, hence his "!!?".

So if the Minato's Body Flicker technique is faster than the Raikage's enhanced lightning speed, his FTG should be well faster than the latter.

actually yeah
, i know he landed on the kuni, but i do think it's body flicker

 

[BigTDogg220]

I have been telling everyone this before that A is faster than Minato w/o FTG, but nobody believes me.

Lighting Armor - HIS OWN CHAKRA.
FTG - Teleporting because of summoning seals.

Big difference.

The problem is still that lightning armor isn't A's raw speed. It's an enhancement from a technique.

 

[BigTDogg220]

Did you even read what I said? FTG is a tool, Lighting Armor is Raikage itself.

Lightning armor is to the Raikage what Sage Mode is to Naruto, a technique that enhances the fighters abilities once it's learned...which in that extent makes little difference between Lightning Armor, Sage Mode, Flying Thunder God, 8 Gates, or whatever technique some shinobi uses to enhance their abilities.

In part one Guy mentioned that chidori is a simple stab enhanced with the power of lightning. A simple technique enhanced by ninjutsu and chakra molding. Same difference.