All those incidents have underlying themes or extended metaphors. A scene cannot even run without a theme.
I was simply asking for you to separate your preference from fictive choices.
Are you tired of Uchihas?
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I was simply asking for you to separate your preference from fictive choices.
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I'm pretty sure Tobirama gave the Uchiha their Power only to satisfied their own needs, yet they still are butthurt
Those were events, they don't prove or show that the Uchiha embody those themes solely. So again your point is baseless.
Again off topic, that entire sub point you introduced was off topic. Kishi choice or freedom was never up for discussion.
Pretty sure he didn't. Not to mention that butt-hurt found its way into politics and Chunin exams as well. His sans-vaseline pain was over 9000.
Dude, you are literally making zero sense. A plot is constructed on themes. Maybe, you should look around google a bit before taking a dip here.
Dude your the one who stated that the Uchiha are themes of Naruto. Now confronted to prove said ridiculous point you hide behind irrelevant sub points while failing to prove said baseless point. Smh
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I see You're deluded Uchiha fanboy that your hate toward Tobirama blinds you more . How is establishing the foundation of the village is butthurt when Tobirama has shown to be the best Leader in terms of the village when we learned that he was credited as the Hokage that developed the most achievement for the villages organizational system infrastructure and revolutionizing in Ninja System as a "Whole" by establishing organization such as Academy, ANBU, and even created Chuunin Exam.
Tobirama gave these Uchiha POWER to be in the police force in order to maintain peace for the village but the Uchiha are always and still complaining and being Over Sensitive.
I have no idea how your accusations are even warranted, when you have no idea how plot is even made. I thought you did, but you clearly don't when you are separating themes from plot. That sounds insane. Themes are the first pillar in any piece of writing. Events are nothing but stories, let it be primary, secondary, or frame etc. Like I said, you should research around a bit.
What are you confronting me on? I merely chose to reply to you on your post on the bold parts:
Forget the bold, it's basically the whole post. You had a wrong idea about plot construction and I corrected it. The rest is your preference. No one is asking you to like the Uchihas.
I could venture the same about you. The world over - Kage ruled villages - political corruption and Chunin exam blood shed was started by Tobirama. He abolished democracy by introducing a dictatorial set-up where select few people chose the next Kages; the decision to vote in everyone's hands was a yesterday's dream. Not to mention the formation of a separate intelligence division that made that corruption flourish. His system was completely copied by the main villages; Hashirama outright states so in his story.
The village was also made for the safeguard of children and the allocation of equal rights to the founding fathers. He constructed chunin exams where there is a free clause that children can kill other children to gain ranks quickly. He breached the treaty and went behind the settled precepts of Hidden Leaf formation. Who gave him the right to commit treason by spying on a founding clan and abolishing the set political system as he saw fit without the consent of the other clan?
I suggest you read the manga properly, because this man was literally the maw of political filth. Power my ass; spied on them, took away their political right, never gave them equality ... who gave him the prerogative to take the matters into his own hands and warp the original clauses of the treaty? Yeah, no one. Biggest butt-hurt fop in the entire manga. I'll put Obito below him. The dude didn't even spare children. What a great fella.
Wow seems your naivete is astonishing. Perhaps this would explain your confusion of listing events as themes from before.
First plot is different from a theme, plot would include events (Uchiha Massacre, Kurama attack, brother's feud, etc.) which are the foundation to the storyline; they advance the storyline as well. However a theme is the underlying ideology/aspect that connects characters such as: will of fire, curse of hatred, love and hate, etc. Theme can also be the author's message as well. Plot and theme do correlate, such that the clan's (senju v. Uchiha) feud (plot) was caused by the themes of will of fire and curse of hatred.
Secondly an event would have a theme behind it, because themes connect events. However the event is just that, an event; it does not tie any characters together nor is reoccurring.
Simply put, a theme of Naruto is not the plot of Naruto, hence the separation of the two terms.
It was never on Uchiha being related to the plot, ironically I even said they were too related to the plot. However you proclaimed the Uchiha as the theme of Naruto, now I asked you to prove it-5 posts later and no proof...
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I said plot is constructed on a theme. A theme is a very very vast and generalized term for several encompassing factors that may include - given the context and the author choice - motifs, extended metaphors, parables, hyperbole etc etc to convey certain ideas. You cannot separate plot from a theme.
An event is simply a part of a plot. That would have its own themes or connecting themes.
The theme of Naruto is a part of the plot. Without themes, there is no plot.
I gave you several examples, but since your idea of what a plot and theme is, is not solid, that has lead to this.
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Clearly not. Uchihas are the most interesting characters in the whole series. Their character development stems from heroic greek tragedies Aristoteles, Perseus and Odyssey. They are the epitome of good writing. Minato, Naruto and Kakashi are the worst written characters. I know this because I have a major in Englsh and Literature.
If you disagree-- you're not smart like I am.
If you disagree-- you're not smart like I am.
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only thing i got to say is that this spin-off is proof that there isn't any real point in reading Naruto w/o them being involved in it somehow.
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The Uchiha have no more credibility....are the characters dumber of the manga.
if that guy is Shisui, the limit is reached -.-
if that guy is Shisui, the limit is reached -.-
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From what I get from this is that they needed a plot to make Sarada relevent. So they went for the old Uchiha in the hat trick.
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Bro all this War and Bloodshed started waay before Tobirama become the hokage, have you ever read any warring state era in regards to how both Madara and Hashirama are forced to kill each other, or the time when Kaguya ate the fruit to stop the war?? You make it as seem this is the first time it all started. You're such an idiot for thinking as such.
Tobirama did the right choice by setting up this whole dictatorial system because you can't expect anyone to be authorize the village when they don't really qualify to be the leader. How can you expect anyone to become Hokage when they can't even maintain and protect the village properly. When tobirama became the Hokage, he was Able to Overcome the initial clan individualism and unite all these clans men/woman as one united front. Tobirama created the stability in the first place while other new Gen Hokage must maintain it.
Tobirama even establish the Uchiha clan as a Prominent Clan within Konoha itself. Despite everything Tobirama has done, the Uchiha are still overly Obsessed with being part of the Village and following Madara prospect by doing the whole coup de tat which is considerably a huge threat to the Leaf village which is why he placed them under surveillance. Kagami Uchiha admired and respected Tobirama as a Hokage because he understood what's he's doing that the Uchiha clan need to be in this possession in order to maintain the balance for the village.
Tobirama worked behind the scenes to achieve political stability and implement the institutions that made the village work, thus ensuring Konoha's prosperity.
Even Itachi despite not agreeing Danzo way, he made his choice regardless to wipe out all Uchiha because they are too Butthurt about domination. Uchiha would never been Wiped out if not for the fact that Danzo stole Shiushi eyes.
Again, you made another misconception with your statement, Tobirama is not the only person to break peace treaty, you asserting too much without any prove as to who started this war. The war repeat itself after the death of Tobirama, yet even worse. In fact it was mostly Danzo and Black Zetsu who lead the cause of this whole war.
In the Chuunin Exam, Konoha Policies are not to kill each other in order to gradutate, Mist Village are different when Zabuza stated.When Orochimaru attacked Sasuke during the forest of death, Anko and her squad went in to rescue of course she couldn't stopped him, but however Third Hokage could not postpone the Exam because that will fall the hand of the enemy.
However if what you said are the case, then even then, the student are willing to take the risk and aware of the rules which is their problems. Shinobi are meant to take this procedure. But this is as " IF" what you said to be true. Here's another If. Even when the Chuunin exam political are corruptted, then why the Third Hokage and the rest of the Hokage still allow such concept and why the clans allow the consent for their children to become shinobi in the first place??
This further prove that Tobirama is remained the most realistic about his ideal and he thinks what's best for his village.
Again this is IF.
Moving on. The difference when He became the Hokage, he reduced the amount of wars, casualty and bloodshed. Tobirama is the best hokage and you know that, but the Uchiha are just too obsessed with powers, how their lost love ones became the strong hate. Tobirama once again label these facts on the table and you call Tobirama butthurt, MY ASS!
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