Are you tired of Uchihas?

[Seventh Sama]

yeah, uzumaki/senju villain would be far interesting.

 

[V h o]

Well Celebi is definitely going to effect Sasuke and Sarada. Maybe the hooded guy is an Uzumaki. I'm not tired of Uchiha as a clan but I wouldn't mind someone else being the main villain now.

I'm just tired of everything revolving around them while no other clan gets any attention. I don't even know why kishi bothers introducing other clans if they're not going to be doing anything; basically background filler.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Yup, they're overused, overexposed and overdeveloped. New villain is basically a blonde Sasuke that is once again crying about his clan. It's because the uchiha were so overpowering that kishi had to asspull kaguya into the story because as he himself admitted, he made madara too strong. The story wanks uchihas so hard that by the second chapter Itachi still gets honorable mentions while ppl who are alive get ignored. Kishi should have given another clan the spotlight instead of once again making an uchiha the antagonist. I hope that the villains aren't limited to those emo bastards because if so there's no hope for the manga.

No, Naruto and Sasuke counters Madara's strongest attacks bruh. Also Kishi made that statement about Madara back when he was an edo and he was unstoppable as Hashirama overpowered him. So this claim is retarded.

Kaguya was forced into the manga because he was forced to rush the story.

 

[shelke]

I'm tired of the same core element, it's like having all the television stations but only hockey is on them... I want some diversity and kishi has more than enough other cast members to show

You shouldn't read any story then, as all long novels / pieces of literature / stories in general have certain extended metaphors, central elements characters etc. That is just the way it goes.

So it makes since to you that the Uchiha are far more developed than their supposedly superior rival clan and the MC's clan? That's far from how typical story plots work.

Yes, it does. Like I said, there are few core elements in any story. Pick out anyone and read it. It always has one - or two at most - central characters and repeated themes. Rival clan doesn't mean it should be one of the core elements within the story. The Senju were excruciatingly poor and laughably conceived anyway. Kishimoto would have made a big mistake had he elaborated on such a thinly developed clan; even more so than Kaguya's family. Yeah, I went there.

 

[lndra]

It would be nice to have a non-Uchiha villain for once.

 

[V h o]

You shouldn't read any story then, as all long novels / pieces of literature / stories in general have certain extended metaphors, central elements characters etc. That is just the way it goes.

I have read those before and it is boring when one sole aspect, which is not even related to the MC, becomes the focus of the story. The Uchiha in Naruto are really the only clan out of many to get development. It's not that they get development, it's the fact they keep getting development while no other clan gets any.

Secondly the Uchiha are not some metaphor or reoccurring theme, the theme of darkness or whatever is not tied to the Uchiha nor should it be. Heck the akatsuki was a good change of pace, despite them being created and ultimately ran by an Uchiha.

It's lazy writing at its finest. No need to introduce others when they won't even be developed or flushed out when you can backtrack to 1 clan.

 

[Retsu]

No, Naruto and Sasuke counters Madara's strongest attacks bruh. Also Kishi made that statement about Madara back when he was an edo and he was unstoppable as Hashirama overpowered him. So this claim is retarded.

Kaguya was forced into the manga because he was forced to rush the story.

Sasuke and Naruto were about to get roflstomped by madara and 4 limbo clones before kaguya took over. My claim still holds merit as madara pretty much had no weaknesses even up to that point so obviously kishi took the easy way out because madara was too much.

 

[King Of Pop]

not really though mayb he could have tried other non uchiha villains.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Sasuke and Naruto were about to get roflstomped by madara and 4 limbo clones before kaguya took over.

No they weren't. Naruto can make clones remember? So should Sasuke.

My claim still holds merit as madara pretty much had no weaknesses even up to that point so obviously kishi took the easy way out because madara was too much.

Uh, Kaguya was mentioned long before Madara became a JJ. He got stomp by Hashirama which Kishi could have ended there. What you are saying is beyond retarded.

 

[shelke]

I have read those before and it is boring when one sole aspect, which is not even related to the MC, becomes the focus of the story. The Uchiha in Naruto are really the only clan out of many to get development. It's not that they get development, it's the fact they keep getting development while no other clan gets any.

Secondly the Uchiha are not some metaphor or reoccurring theme, the theme of darkness or whatever is not tied to the Uchiha nor should it be. Heck the akatsuki was a good change of pace, despite them being created and ultimately ran by an Uchiha.

It's lazy writing at its finest. No need to introduce others when they won't even be developed or flushed out when you can backtrack to 1 clan.

Choosing a core element isn't lazy writing; that's what all authors have been doing since time immemorial. He stretched the manga and left too many inconsistencies? That's lazy writing. The rest of it is more along the lines of preference.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Sasuke and Naruto were about to get roflstomped by madara and 4 limbo clones before kaguya took over. My claim still holds merit as madara pretty much had no weaknesses even up to that point so obviously kishi took the easy way out because madara was too much.

The way you said that Makes it look like you think Madera is stronger than kaguya.

 

[Retsu]

No they weren't. Naruto can make clones remember? So should Sasuke.



Uh, Kaguya was mentioned long before Madara became a JJ and got stomp by Hashirama. What you are saying is retarded beyond.

No what you are saying is retarded beyond all get out because the limbo clones already dealt with 4 Naruto clones not to mention madara unlocked a third sharinnegan eye. It's obvious that if they'd have fought madara wolf have creamed them as the had a hard enough time with 1 limbo and Sasuke was worried as he commented on them being surrounded. Sasuke and Naruto would have been overwhelmed by 4 limbo clones and the real madara

 

[Retsu]

The way you said that Makes it look like you think Madera is stronger than kaguya.

I'm just saying that madara seems like he would have been harder to deal with since he had the limbo clones, kaguya was stronger but her arsenal was extremely limited, I honestly think madara stood more of a chance than kaguya.

 

[V h o]

Choosing a core element isn't lazy writing; that's what all authors have been doing since time immemorial. He stretched the manga and left too many inconsistencies? That's lazy writing. The rest of it is more along the lines of preference.

As I said before, the Uchiha are not a core element of Naruto; they do not hold the only theme of Naruto. Heck the MC is not even related to the clan, yet the story which is supposed to follow the MC/protagonist is so deeply connected to someone else.

It's lazy writing which is even further exemplified by Kishi having to introduce reincarnation/Ashura and Indra BS because the MC was not even tied to the plot bar him being an Jin.

 

[shelke]

As I said before, the Uchiha are not a core element of Naruto; they do not hold the only theme of Naruto. Heck the MC is not even related to the clan, yet the story which is supposed to follow the MC/protagonist is so deeply connected to someone else.

It's lazy writing which is even further exemplified by Kishi having to introduce reincarnation/Ashura and Indra BS because the MC was not even tied to the plot bar him being an Jin.

Actually, they are. I am not sure which manga you have been reading then. MC means absolutely nothing here, when the manga is right in front of you. It's the author's decision how he wants to progress the story. He didn't choose MC for it. That's not lazy writing at all, but fictive liberty. That's his right as an author.

That's his choice. He simply chose a flimsy character as a front and gave importance to the rest. You cannot put blame on him for writing other characters better. What you can hold him accountable for is how well he executed his choices.

 

[ultraChalk]

Honestly yeah, we can use someone from a different clan or just a normal ass shinobi at this point

 

[MAN OF SIN]

No what you are saying is retarded beyond

I love how you dodged the point about Kaguya being mentioned long before JJ Madara came into the picture. Thus flushing your shit argument down the toilet.

Hurr derp voice: "Kaguya was created to defeat JJ Madara. Even though she was created many many chapters before Madara even became a Jin. Yeah that makes sense."

all get out because the limbo clones already dealt with 4 Naruto clones

He made twice that number in his fight with Kaguya. So he could have just made more.

not to mention madara unlocked a third sharinnegan eye.

Which he could only cause IT with as revealed in the databook.

It's obvious that if they'd have fought madara wolf have creamed them as the had a hard enough time with 1 limbo and Sasuke was worried as he commented on them being surrounded. Sasuke and Naruto would have been overwhelmed by 4 limbo clones and the real madara

No, all Naruto had to do was power up Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sakura like he did the K11 against Obito. Along with bringing Obito back to life. Team 7 and Double Kamui Obito would have shitted all over Madara.

And no, they didn't have a hard time with 1 limbo. It couldn't even stick around for long and went back to Madara.

 

[V h o]

Actually, they are.

Unless you give reason why the Uchiha are a core aspect of the theme of Naruto, they are not since no central theme is tied directly to one clan/person.

I am not sure which manga you have been reading then. MC means absolutely nothing here, when the manga is right in front of you. It's the author's decision how he wants to progress the story. He didn't choose MC for it. That's not lazy writing at all, but fictive liberty. That's his right as an author.

The whole point was on the Uchiha having more development than any other clan, while no other clan gets any development. Author's liberty or freedom was never up for discussion but it seems you want to deviate from my claims.

For the last time, it is lazy writing when you introduce aspects and never carry them out.

That's his choice. He simply chose a flimsy character as a front and gave importance to the rest. You cannot put blame on him for writing other characters better. What you can hold him accountable for is how well he executed his choices.

It's obvious that it's Kishimoto's choice, but the whole point was on being tired of Kishimoto's choice. Kishi doesn't have to develop anyone, which seems like the case.

 

[shelke]

Unless you give reason why the Uchiha are a core aspect of the theme of Naruto, they are not since no central theme is tied directly to one clan/person.

The whole point was on the Uchiha having more development than any other clan, while no other clan gets any development. Author's liberty or freedom was never up for discussion but it seems you want to deviate from my claims.

For the last time, it is lazy writing when you introduce aspects and never carry them out.

It's obvious that it's Kishimoto's choice, but the whole point was on being tired of Kishimoto's choice. Kishi doesn't have to develop anyone, which seems like the case.

Actually, all central themes are tied to Sasuke. One way or another, either all begin from him or concern him. I have always wondered why Naruto is even the main character:

- Akatsuki began through Sasuke via Itachi introduction.
- Obito's interest in Sasuke revealed the underlying threads.
- Orochimaru's quest was revealed through Sasuke.
- The Mezo and the history was revealed through him.
- Root history was revealed through Sasuke etc etc.

Just to name a few, but all plot-moving plot-lines. Even the war-arc didn't start without Sasuke's plot-line kicking it into action. This would be simply denial if you refute this, and I haven't even touched upon other Uchihas here.

I don't think you are even trying to understand what 'fictive liberties' mean. This isn't a discussion to convert you to Uchiha-ism or something; you are more than welcome to keep hating them. I am telling you that that's how stories work. Kishimoto simply chose Uchihas to be their central device. It's his choice. It has zero connection to lazy writing. You are more than welcome to pick out any piece of writing - any at all - where all aspects of the story receive the same treatment as the core aspect. You won't find it ... because it doesn't exist.

That is a different discussion.

 

[V h o]

Actually, all central themes are tied to Sasuke. One way or another, either all begin from him or concern him. I have always wondered why Naruto is even the main character:

- Akatsuki began through Sasuke via Itachi introduction.
- Obito's interest in Sasuke revealed the underlying threads.
- Orochimaru's quest was revealed through Sasuke.
- The Mezo and the history was revealed through him.
- Root history was revealed through Sasuke etc etc.

These are not themes, these are events. The Uchiha have no theme beside the curse of hatred which again is not tied to one sole clan/person.
All what you said is solidifying my point that the Uchiha get far more development than any other clan, hence me being tired of the same one trick pony.

Just to name a few, but all plot-moving plot-lines. Even the war-arc didn't start without Sasuke's plot-line kicking it into action. This would be simply denial if you refute this, and I haven't even touched upon other Uchihas here.

Again not a theme. It's obvious the Uchiha aided the plot if not drove it home, which I said posts prior. Are you even reading my posts? :|

I don't think you are even trying to understand what 'fictive liberties' mean. This isn't a discussion to convert you to Uchiha-ism or something; you are more than welcome to keep hating them. I am telling you that that's how stories work. Kishimoto simply chose Uchihas to be their central device. It's his choice. It has zero connection to lazy writing. You are more than welcome to pick out any piece of writing - any at all - where all aspects of the story receive the same treatment as the core aspect. You won't find it ... because it doesn't exist.

That is a different discussion.

Irrelevant to the topic, take it to PM if you want to discuss sidebar on kishi choice and not being tired of the Uchiha being the only clan to get development