[Discussion] Are Yonko rigth now the powerful characters?

[Punk Hazard]

I didn't need to put effort because u brought the scan for me. Garp literally said marines and schibukai are allied together. Can u make it any easier for me thanks I forgot what chapter that was. Good job!

And? Why would the two powers not ally together to keep the one that is a mutual enemy on the ropes? If Marines=Warlords=Yonko it makes sense for the first two to ally against the Yonko so they keep them submitted for their own interests.

Schibukai are a different entity cause they are pretty much on a contract or like privateers. They are asked to assist the marines due to lacking the firepower to match these yonko.

Garp literally answers your question right there, he says we are allied against these 4 great pirates. You have to have a thick skull to not get that.

Both of these hang on the premise that they simply want to keep the Yonko on an equal standing and not have an advantage.

Also from a common sense perspective of what we have seen from schibukai we know they are no match to the marines or all yonko as a whole.

Except we don't know this. We have never seen the full allies/force of any Warlord.

Not to mention that the Warlords have been portrayed as a failing system time and time again. Remember, the "three great powers" is a World Government concept, not a world concept. What this means is, it's something idealized by the World Government. The idea of it is that Marines=Yonko=Shichibukai. It's fully possible that this idea can remain intact as an idea, but not as an actual practice.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Only Kaido is probably above Akainu.

Why include the "probably"?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why include the "probably"?

Like I told Chopstick, I wrote that wrong. He's certainly above Akainu, I meant he might probably be the only one who is.

 

[ToshiZO]

My bias towards what. I said in my post that the dude is wrong. I was pointing out that both of u are wrong with your interpretation. Instead of playing tit for tat u should use common sense I was just holding you accountable for the ignorant statements u made

What ignorant statement? I countered a statement with a statement.

Your bias clearly showed by quoting me and not the one who brought up that point as an argument in the first place. Lmfao bruh don't come here with this bs.

 

[arv993]

And? Why would the two powers not ally together to keep the one that is a mutual enemy on the ropes? If Marines=Warlords=Yonko it makes sense for the first two to ally against the Yonko so they keep them submitted for their own interests.


Both of these hang on the premise that they simply want to keep the Yonko on an equal standing and not have an advantage.


Except we don't know this. We have never seen the full allies/force of any Warlord.

Not to mention that the Warlords have been portrayed as a failing system time and time again. Remember, the "three great powers" is a World Government concept, not a world concept. What this means is, it's something idealized by the World Government. The idea of it is that Marines=Yonko=Shichibukai. It's fully possible that this idea can remain intact as an idea, but not as an actual practice.

marines bring peace to the world why in the hell would they want to hire pirates. They need additional resources to keep the peace in the seas.

Also schibukai have no forces to make a claim that they are equal to the yonko. You can make a similar case for revs, Theres no proof against them that they are equal to marines etc. We go by what we know. We know most schibukai, most of their forces are fodder, and there is only one truly top tier schibukai. You are going on everything on a hypothetical.

Schibukai are nothing more than privateers helping out the WG and are allied with the Govt. Simple as that dont make it more complicated.

Schibukai arent a natural group that formed, they are pretty much on a contract. They didnt go fight yonko and decide they should keep them out of power. and we can see schibukai have a lot of freedom for their status and like doffy who was an ally to the yonko etc.

What ignorant statement? I countered a statement with a statement.

Your bias clearly showed by quoting me and not the one who brought up that point as an argument in the first place. Lmfao bruh don't come here with this bs.

yea my bias against ppl who use memes as an argument lol.

I quoted you cuz I kno ur more likely going to use logic but you didnt. You are completely wrong about the whole BB argument but w/e

 

[Punk Hazard]

marines bring peace to the world why in the hell would they want to hire pirates. They need additional resources to keep the peace in the seas.

Are you seriously using "Why would the marines want to hire pirates" as an argument when that's exactly what they do with the Shichibukai system? What the ****?

Also schibukai have no forces to make a claim that they are equal to the yonko. You can make a similar case for revs, Theres no proof against them that they are equal to marines etc. We go by what we know. We know most schibukai, most of their forces are fodder, and there is only one truly top tier schibukai. You are going on everything on a hypothetical.

Like I said before, the Three Powers is a concept created by the World Government. I admitted that the Warlords might not actually match up to the Emperors, but that doesn't mean that's not what the Three Powers was meant to be when the WG idealized it. Again, the Warlord system has been shown more than once to be a failing system, which supports the notion that it hasn't been what the WG wanted it to actually be when they conceptualized it and why Fujitora is pushing for it to end.

You're also going on nothing but hypotheticals btw.

Schibukai arent a natural group that formed, they are pretty much on a contract. They didnt go fight yonko and decide they should keep them out of power. and we can see schibukai have a lot of freedom for their status and like doffy who was an ally to the yonko etc.

Except Doflamingo's alliance with an Emperor was a closely guarded secret from the World Government.

They don't go fighting Emperors, but the WG and Marines don't the same either, and the Emperors don't go fighting the Marines or Warlords in the vice versa.

The Yonko also aren't some natural group. I don't exactly know what the hell that even means.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Kaido is the strongest. Admirals, Yonko are on the same level with a fight going high diff for either. Certain Yonko would beat certain admirals and certain admirals would beat certain Yonko.

 

[arv993]

Are you seriously using "Why would the marines want to hire pirates" as an argument when that's exactly what they do with the Shichibukai system? What the ****?



Like I said before, the Three Powers is a concept created by the World Government. I admitted that the Warlords might not actually match up to the Emperors, but that doesn't mean that's not what the Three Powers was meant to be when the WG idealized it. Again, the Warlord system has been shown more than once to be a failing system, which supports the notion that it hasn't been what the WG wanted it to actually be when they conceptualized it and why Fujitora is pushing for it to end.

You're also going on nothing but hypotheticals btw.


Except Doflamingo's alliance with an Emperor was a closely guarded secret from the World Government.

They don't go fighting Emperors, but the WG and Marines don't the same either, and the Emperors don't go fighting the Marines or Warlords in the vice versa.

The Yonko also aren't some natural group. I don't exactly know what the hell that even means.

So you finally admit the schibukai arent an equal group.

Natural as in the way they are formed. All yonko crews are formed by their captains making crews etc and theres 4 separate yonkos, you kno the process. Marines have their own method and recruit ppl and develop them etc. Schibukai werent all allies, they are merely contracted workers for WG who get a bunch of perks, Schibukai didnt go as a group to the marines and said lets be allies and fight yonko like u said. The WG hired them to be additional firepower to combat the rampant and unstable threat of the yonkos.

The marines do fight the yonko, look at Wb, look at roger from the previous Gen. Marines dont do it as much since the sea is balanced. But WG or marines will have a confrontation with yonko if the yonko attacks. Look at BB now he just had a short skirmish with CP0.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you finally admit the schibukai arent an equal group.

Way to miss the point.

Natural as in the way they are formed. All yonko crews are formed by their captains making crews etc and theres 4 separate yonkos, you kno the process. Marines have their own method and recruit ppl and develop them etc. Schibukai werent all allies, they are merely contracted workers for WG who get a bunch of perks, Schibukai didnt go as a group to the marines and said lets be allies and fight yonko like u said.

This makes no ****ing sense. Shichibukai crews and Yonko crews are built the same way: A captain selects his subordinates. The Yonko and Shichibukai are both groups of pirates, just one group is seven while the other is 4, and they're on different sides most of the time.

You're acting as though the Yonko and Shichibukai are one uniform group like the Marines when they're not.

The WG hired them to be additional firepower to combat the rampant and unstable threat of the yonkos.

It's almost like I said this!

The marines do fight the yonko, look at Wb, look at roger from the previous Gen.

Sengoku literally said that fighting Whitebeard at Marineford was a special exception. They do not go looking for fights with Emperors, that was just something that had to happen because executing Ace was of the utmost importance.

And did you just call Roger an Emperor? When was Roger confirmed an Emperor?

Marines dont do it as much since the sea is balanced. But WG or marines will have a confrontation with yonko if the yonko attacks. Look at BB now he just had a short skirmish with CP0.

O...kay?

 

[A v i]

Marines = Shichibukai = Yonko doesn't make any sense. The combination of "Marines and the Shichibukai" is supposed to counter balance the Yonko.



OT: Big Mom doesn't look as intimidating as the admirals, and her hype isn't as great either; She's probably weaker than some of the admirals. Other than this, I agree that the Yonko mostly have better portrayal than the admirals. But it is never so great that you can put them a level above their marine counter parts.

 

[arv993]

Marines = Shichibukai = Yonko doesn't make any sense. The combination of "Marines and the Shichibukai" is supposed to counter balance the Yonko.



OT: Big Mom doesn't look as intimidating as the admirals, and her hype isn't as great either; She's probably weaker than some of the admirals. Other than this, I agree that the Yonko mostly have better portrayal than the admirals. But it is never so great that you can put them a level above their marine counter parts.

Way to miss the point.


This makes no ****ing sense. Shichibukai crews and Yonko crews are built the same way: A captain selects his subordinates. The Yonko and Shichibukai are both groups of pirates, just one group is seven while the other is 4, and they're on different sides most of the time.

You're acting as though the Yonko and Shichibukai are one uniform group like the Marines when they're not.


It's almost like I said this!


Sengoku literally said that fighting Whitebeard at Marineford was a special exception. They do not go looking for fights with Emperors, that was just something that had to happen because executing Ace was of the utmost importance.

And did you just call Roger an Emperor? When was Roger confirmed an Emperor?


O...kay?

@ riker

you do realize that was our main disagreement right schibukai not equaling the other two powers.

But ok lets look at other issues.
No I am not saying that they are a uniform group. The yonko are just so potent and unstable that they require marines to hire pirates such as the schibukai. My point is schibukai never existed until the WG put them together. Yonko on the other hand was not created by any entity., they are just 4 pirates with incredibly strong crews that they can rule lands. schibukai are no where near in influence and power so I wouldnt characterize them as the same.

What about CP0 and BB? They can have confrontations but dont usually have major wars due to it most likely being a war of attrition.

@ avi

no one said yonko are in a class of their own but like u said they have the edge in hype. which is the big argument here. And BM is intimidating she seems very durable and has weather control powers and her last chapter she had more hype than an admiral like Fuji.