[Discussion] Are Yonko rigth now the powerful characters?

[Punk Hazard]

Very well put. However, I have to disagree. The balance of power isn't a three way balance. It's a two way. The warlords and the marines are to balance out the power of the yonko. And that's just one yonko.

One Emperor? No. The Marines+an incomplete and uncooperative roster of Warlords decimated one Emperor. The Marines HANDILY won at Marineford. Garp clearly regarded the Yonko as one whole entity when talking about the Balance, not just one Emperor.

He said that balance is between the three powers, not the balance is between one power and the other two. There's a difference.

The other balance is the fact that the yonko refuse to work together. I think it was stated that if even two yonko decided to work together that they would be unstoppable. I think that's why the marines were so worried about shanks having a meeting with white beard.

That's not what happened.

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They said an alliance between them would be catastrophic. Nothing about them being unstoppable. The fact that they were able to dismiss it after a few seconds of talking about, saying "Never mind that," to talk about the Balance shows that the union of two Emperors isn't as pressing as you're making it out to be.

So I think the fact that the marines have to incorporate a warlord system just to combat one yonko crew speaks for itself. If a yonko was able to be taken down by only the marines, let alone a single one (akainu) don't you think they would have completely wiped the yonko a out?

No they wouldn't have. For one thing, as the scans I linked above show, the World Government wants the institution of the Yonko to remain intact, straight up saying it MUST be protected. So even if they had the power to take out the Yonko, they wouldn't.

Secondly, as I said in my earlier post, having one man that might be stronger than each Emperor doesn't mean that they would win in an overall fight with the Emperors. In a full scale war, it's gonna be just one 1 vs 1 fight, it's gonna be people moving from one fight to another constantly. So it's not like Akainu will only be fighting the Emperor for the entire time. The strongest man of one army can be stronger than the strongest man of another army. That doesn't mean the first army is stronger overall and will win a fight. Strength is a very broad spectrum, especially across two large groups fighting each other.

And as far as the balance of power is concerned, don't for a second think that the marines are ok sharing the power with criminals. I think that if they were capable of making the situation how they see fit I'm sure they would have taken out the yonko and all the war lords. If the marines could have all the power they would in a heartbeat

No they wouldn't, as the scan above shows.

 

[chopstickchakra]

If you paid attention to what you were reading, you'd see that the World Government wants the Emperors to remain a thing.

Also, just because Akainu might be stronger than each Emperor individually, that doesn't mean the Marines can just roll up and start fighting them all. They have people weaker than Akainu, while those Emperors also have countless allies. And then when you count in the fact that a war between two large factions would be constantly changing match-ups, the whole "This individual is stronger" thing really goes out the window.


Maybe I wrote that wrong. The probably isn't that Kaido is above Akainu, the probably is that Kaido is probably the only one.

Got ya, yeah I read that wrong

 

[Tomato God]

Spandam carries a sword. Having a sword =/= is a big deal.

Spandam fought with that sword

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Because of the Balance of the Three Powers. The World Government, for whatever reason, wants the institution of the Emperors to remain intact so the balance between Emperors, Marine HQ, and Warlords has to be maintained.

When Shanks showed up, one of the Emperors had already fallen, and three of the Warlords needed to be replaced. The Balance of the Three Powers was already severely disturbed by these gaps in positions. They could have fought Shanks' crew if they wanted to, but they had nothing to gain in doing so.

If Shanks' crew won, then the Marine HQ would have fallen. If the Marines had won, then there goes even more unbalance in the most delicate part of the Balance of Three Powers. Either way, the World Government wouldn't want them to do it, hence why they didn't call Shanks' bluff.

That's also not adding in the fact that the Marines' image was starting to look bad by the fact that they WANTED more war after Ace and Whitebeard died. Both Coby and Smoker noted that the Marines were starting to fight not for Justice, but for blood-lust. Continuing the war with Shanks' crew would just tarnish the Marines' reputation, making them look like they just crave chances for murder and enjoy it, something else the WG wouldn't want.

If Big Mom or Kaido had showed up at that moment, the exact same thing would have happened. It's not because Shanks showed up, it's because an Emperor period showed up. And that doesn't mean that Akainu is incapable of fighting Emperors, but that because he's a Marine, there are political agendas he has to adhere to, even if he can and wants to fight.

That makes sense, but i'd still say most yonko could challenge akainu.

 

[ToshiZO]

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[Our Lord Sasuke]

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That was in the first half, now things are different

 

[ToshiZO]

That was in the first half, now things are different

What you posted was in the first half as well.

-Shanks got Teach to run with a full squad.
-Akainu got Teach to run virtually alone.

Fair comparison.

 

[arv993]

What you posted was in the first half as well.

-Shanks got Teach to run with a full squad.
-Akainu got Teach to run virtually alone.

Fair comparison.

Omg I guess CP0 > Current BB pirates. Wow I never knew pirates run away. Maybe BB is also better than all of revs cuz they ran too. Bs logic at its best. Riker and toshi back at it with next level nonsense. In almost all cases BB ran when he couldn't gain an advantage from fighting, the dude is an opportunist. Just cuz the guy who ur trying to disprove has a faulty argument does not mean u should follow that up with the same faulty logic.

And To ppl saying akainu > Kaido. Wait till comic con to fanboy and play dress up.

 

[arv993]

One Emperor? No. The Marines+an incomplete and uncooperative roster of Warlords decimated one Emperor. The Marines HANDILY won at Marineford. Garp clearly regarded the Yonko as one whole entity when talking about the Balance, not just one Emperor.

He said that balance is between the three powers, not the balance is between one power and the other two. There's a difference.



That's not what happened.

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They said an alliance between them would be catastrophic. Nothing about them being unstoppable. The fact that they were able to dismiss it after a few seconds of talking about, saying "Never mind that," to talk about the Balance shows that the union of two Emperors isn't as pressing as you're making it out to be.


No they wouldn't have. For one thing, as the scans I linked above show, the World Government wants the institution of the Yonko to remain intact, straight up saying it MUST be protected. So even if they had the power to take out the Yonko, they wouldn't.

Secondly, as I said in my earlier post, having one man that might be stronger than each Emperor doesn't mean that they would win in an overall fight with the Emperors. In a full scale war, it's gonna be just one 1 vs 1 fight, it's gonna be people moving from one fight to another constantly. So it's not like Akainu will only be fighting the Emperor for the entire time. The strongest man of one army can be stronger than the strongest man of another army. That doesn't mean the first army is stronger overall and will win a fight. Strength is a very broad spectrum, especially across two large groups fighting each other.



No they wouldn't, as the scan above shows.

So schibukai = marines = all 4 yonko. Dude pls get someone else's pee when u take drug tests for jobs. I can even see the argument for all four yonko= marines which is not as big of a reach but still not correct. But schibukai as an organization = all yonko or marines is a joke. It's marines plus schibukai that equal all yonko. The second strongest schinukai for the longest time(doffy) is a guy on about jacks level LOL.

 

[ToshiZO]

Omg I guess CP0 > Current BB pirates. Wow I never knew pirates run away. Maybe BB is also better than all of revs cuz they ran too. Bs logic at its best. Riker and toshi back at it with next level nonsense. In almost all cases BB ran when he couldn't gain an advantage from fighting, the dude is an opportunist. Just cuz the guy who ur trying to disprove has a faulty argument does not mean u should follow that up with the same faulty logic.

And To ppl saying akainu > Kaido. Wait till comic con to fanboy and play dress up.

Stop with the nonsense, have no idea about no CP0 or what went down.

What we do know is an entire crew of pirates ran from 1, just 1 man.

 

[arv993]

Stop with the nonsense, have no idea about no CP0 or what went down.

What we do know is an entire crew of pirates ran from 1, just 1 man.

He had a short skirmish and he ran away, revs ran from BB. Strategic retreats are not considered a great hype moment, it's mediocre at best. I can show u countless examples of BB being a guy who wants to run away or only does things to gain an upper Hand. If akainu by himself was so much greater than a new yonko crew, that crew sure as shit shouldn't even be considered for replacing a yonko.

So point is stop reaching for the stars with that argument, I disagree with the guy you quoted as well marines backed off shanks for strategic purposes etc.

 

[ToshiZO]

He had a short skirmish and he ran away, revs ran from BB. Strategic retreats are not considered a great hype moment, it's mediocre at best. I can show u countless examples of BB being a guy who wants to run away or only does things to gain an upper Hand. If akainu by himself was so much greater than a new yonko crew, that crew sure as shit shouldn't even be considered for replacing a yonko.

So point is stop reaching for the stars with that argument, I disagree with the guy you quoted as well marines backed off shanks for strategic purposes etc.

Stop crying my dude lmfao it's a comparison to the Shanks meme posted. It's valid.

You can go complain to the guy who posted that, instead your bias shows.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So schibukai = marines = all 4 yonko. Dude pls get someone else's pee when u take drug tests for jobs. I can even see the argument for all four yonko= marines which is not as big of a reach but still not correct. But schibukai as an organization = all yonko or marines is a joke. It's marines plus schibukai that equal all yonko. The second strongest schinukai for the longest time(doffy) is a guy on about jacks level LOL.

You have no proof for any of the things you are saying. You make comments like "You're on drugs" and "You're just wrong," but you have provided ZERO instances of proof.

What proof is there that the entire force of the Warlords isn't on par with the entire force of the Marines and Yonko? Where is your proof that it's Marines+Warlords?

Come back when you actually know how to debate as opposed to spewing random bullshit over and over in different ways.

 

[arv993]

Stop crying my dude lmfao it's a comparison to the Shanks meme posted. It's valid.

You can go complain to the guy who posted that, instead your bias shows.

My bias towards what. I said in my post that the dude is wrong. I was pointing out that both of u are wrong with your interpretation. Instead of playing tit for tat u should use common sense I was just holding you accountable for the ignorant statements u made

 

[arv993]

You have no proof for any of the things you are saying. You make comments like "You're on drugs" and "You're just wrong," but you have provided ZERO instances of proof.

What proof is there that the entire force of the Warlords isn't on par with the entire force of the Marines and Yonko? Where is your proof that it's Marines+Warlords?

Come back when you actually know how to debate as opposed to spewing random bullshit over and over in different ways.

Dude I have a brain. Not everything is cut and dry in the manga. The three powers is not equal. If they were why is there even an alliance between two of the powers.

It's a forum so chill ppl can be hyperbolic here. And it's rich coming from a guy calling ppl kids. If ur offended in sorry just get thicker skin or make sense for once and I will respect what u have to say but instead u have troll like tendencies so I don't.

Anyways what indicates that schibukai= marines. Please explain???? Oh and also revolutionaries = marines or yonko but there is no proof against it I can make arguments like that too, I don't have to provide proof u do for making the statement u did . What kind of nonsense argument are u bringing forth to me.

Put some effort into it u only have like 60,000 posts I'm sure u can spend time on one and tell me how schibukai is equal to any of the other two factions. I'm waiting for an answer.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Dude I have a brain. Not everything is cut and dry in the manga. The three powers is not equal. If they were why is there even an alliance between the two.

Uhm, no. "The manga will not tell you the entire picture" is not an excuse for formulating 100% a picture with no basis. Yes, we all left to fill in the gaps, but what we fill the gaps in with needs some kind of evidence and proof from the rest of the manga to support it. If you don't have that, then you are just making up your own story, you're not filling in the gaps of the story that is One Piece.

If the three powers are not equal, you need to show evidence that supports that. You saying it is not evidence.

It's a forum so chill ppl can be hyperbolic here. And it's rich coming from a guy calling ppl kids.

I never criticized you for being hyperbolic. I criticized you for your critical comments when you yourself said nothing that could be backed up by evidence, or didn't say anything while backing it up with evidence.

Anyways what indicates that schibukai= marines. Please explain???? Oh and also revolutionaries = marines or yonko but there is no proof against it. What kind of nonsense argument are u bringing forth to me.

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The balance between these three powers, are the keywords. If the Marines and Warlords together were what equalled the Yonko, why would they be regarded as two separate entities? And don't give me "Because they're separate groups" nonsense, the Yonko are all separate groups still regarded as one entity.

Put some effort into it u only have like 60,000 posts I'm sure u can spend time on one and tell me how schibukai is equal to any of the other two factions. I'm waiting for an answer.

LMAOOOO the guy that provided NO evidence to back up his blathering is telling others to put in effort into their post?

 

[that guy over there]

My dude the scan you posted actually proves you wrong,if I read correctly and you saying the warlords=marine=yonko
First Gard straight up says Shanks (a yonko) is one of the four greatest pirates in the world on par with the strongest man in the world (WB=yonko),the warlords are also pirates and are NOT clearly not the yonko's equals in any
Second Garp also says the warlords and the marines have teamed up against the the yonko
If you think Akainu is stronger than the yonko because he didnt cower in the presence of Shanks then you must look at your scan again,WB has on many occassions been called the strongest man in the world and Garp figures they areon the same level,now that might not mean he's as strong as WB but he's no push over

Third point,the marines called the warlords to face ONE yonko,think about it

 

[Punk Hazard]

My dude the scan you posted actually proves you wrong,if I read correctly and you saying the warlords=marine=yonko
First Gard straight up says Shanks (a yonko) is one of the four greatest pirates in the world on par with the strongest man in the world (WB=yonko),the warlords are also pirates and are NOT clearly not the yonko's equals in any

You do realize that "Yonko and Warlords are equal in the Balance of Three Powers" includes crews and allies, right? It's not one Warlord vs one Emperor or just the Warlords vs Four Emperors...

Second Garp also says the warlords and the marines have teamed up against the the yonko

Them being allied against the Emperors doesn't mean they're only equal to them while teamed up though.

If you think Akainu is stronger than the yonko because he didnt cower in the presence of Shanks then you must look at your scan again,WB has on many occassions been called the strongest man in the world and Garp figures they areon the same level,now that might not mean he's as strong as WB but he's no push over

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Third point,the marines called the warlords to face ONE yonko,think about it

And utterly decimated that one Emperor. That was the point: Stack yourself up so the battle would be heavily in their favor.

 

[arv993]

Uhm, no. "The manga will not tell you the entire picture" is not an excuse for formulating 100% a picture with no basis. Yes, we all left to fill in the gaps, but what we fill the gaps in with needs some kind of evidence and proof from the rest of the manga to support it. If you don't have that, then you are just making up your own story, you're not filling in the gaps of the story that is One Piece.

If the three powers are not equal, you need to show evidence that supports that. You saying it is not evidence.



I never criticized you for being hyperbolic. I criticized you for your critical comments when you yourself said nothing that could be backed up by evidence, or didn't say anything while backing it up with evidence.

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The balance between these three powers, are the keywords. If the Marines and Warlords together were what equalled the Yonko, why would they be regarded as two separate entities? And don't give me "Because they're separate groups" nonsense, the Yonko are all separate groups still regarded as one entity.


LMAOOOO the guy that provided NO evidence to back up his blathering is telling others to put in effort into their post?

I didn't need to put effort because u brought the scan for me. Garp literally said marines and schibukai are allied together. Can u make it any easier for me thanks I forgot what chapter that was. Good job!

Schibukai are a different entity cause they are pretty much on a contract or like privateers. They are asked to assist the marines due to lacking the firepower to match these yonko along with helping them deter future pirates etc and they get compensated by doing almost any illegal business.

Garp literally answers your question right there, he says we are allied against these 4 great pirates. You have to have a thick skull to not get that.


Also from a common sense perspective of what we have seen from schibukai we know they are no match to the marines or all yonko as a whole.


You shot holes in ur own argument good job my man I must say it takes guts to be that oblivious when the statement is right there to disprove all the garbage that u wrote

 

[arv993]

My dude the scan you posted actually proves you wrong,if I read correctly and you saying the warlords=marine=yonko
First Gard straight up says Shanks (a yonko) is one of the four greatest pirates in the world on par with the strongest man in the world (WB=yonko),the warlords are also pirates and are NOT clearly not the yonko's equals in any
Second Garp also says the warlords and the marines have teamed up against the the yonko
If you think Akainu is stronger than the yonko because he didnt cower in the presence of Shanks then you must look at your scan again,WB has on many occassions been called the strongest man in the world and Garp figures they areon the same level,now that might not mean he's as strong as WB but he's no push over

Third point,the marines called the warlords to face ONE yonko,think about it

To be fair they beat one yonko pretty easily but again it's one yonko. Don't put too much weight into marines backing off any leader would minimize damage at that point in time.

Having said all of that u are completely right on the other part. The guy is reading some alternative fact edition of the manga