[Theory] Are we heading toward a Big Mom/Luffy alliance?

[Central]

I can see it happening, if Big Mom get to Wano, thus, entering Kaidou's territory, it will either turn into a three way dance between three Yonkous but, in case that Kaidou is too strong. Would Big Mom consider an alliance with the Straw Hats?​

 

[Sakazuki]

I can see it happening, if Big Mom get to Wano, thus, entering Kaidou's territory, it will either turn into a three way dance between three Yonkous but, in case that Kaidou is too strong. Would Big Mom consider an alliance with the Straw Hats?​

Nah, if anything big mom will be the one that's too strong

 

[Caliburn]

I can't. The whole reason she supposedly is going to Wano, is to kill Luffy and the reason why she had an argument with Kaidou, is because he wants to do the exact same thing. Makes little sense that either of them would then team up with Luffy to take down the other so that the one remaining could then kill Luffy? This in particular is doubtful for BM as her reputation took a major blow, which wasn't the case for Kaidou.

On top of that we just learned that apparently Kaidou and BM have a history together. Despite their arguing and threats on the phone, this can form a basis for a potential understanding between the two. Honestly said I think that's one of the primary reasons Oda decided to add this plot element as it was rather random to suddenly drop an old connection from 40 years ago between the two Yonkou. Without it however it wouldn't make much sense for those two irrational entities to find a common ground, but with it it definitely is possible.

So to me it seems more likely that Kaidou and BM find some kind of truce/collaboration/non-agression pact/...than either of them with Luffy.

 

[Central]

I can't. The whole reason she supposedly is going to Wano, is to kill Luffy and the reason why she had an argument with Kaidou, is because he wants to do the exact same thing. Makes little sense that either of them would then team up with Luffy to take down the other so that the one remaining could then kill Luffy? This in particular is doubtful for BM as her reputation took a major blow, which wasn't the case for Kaidou.

On top of that we just learned that apparently Kaidou and BM have a history together. Despite their arguing and threats on the phone, this can form a basis for a potential understanding between the two. Honestly said I think that's one of the primary reasons Oda decided to add this plot element as it was rather random to suddenly drop an old connection from 40 years ago between the two Yonkou. Without it however it wouldn't make much sense for those two irrational entities to find a common ground, but with it it definitely is possible.

So to me it seems more likely that Kaidou and BM find some kind of truce/collaboration/non-agression pact/...than either of them with Luffy.

But, would Kaidou just tolerate another Yonkou into his territory? Make a deal to take down Luffy would be kind of weird imo, since, BM could take Kaidou down then take Luffy down and finally, take control over Wano.

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

What in the world makes you think that she might make an alliance with the strawhats? They destroyed the wedding/wedding cake, and royally embarrassed her and her commanders. NO WAY will she even consider calling off the dogs

 

[Passerby]

The only Yonko I see Luffy siding with is Shanks.

 

[Caliburn]

But, would Kaidou just tolerate another Yonkou into his territory? Make a deal to take down Luffy would be kind of weird imo, since, BM could take Kaidou down then take Luffy down and finally, take control over Wano.

The reason why there would be another Yonkou in his territory, is because Luffy is there. How does it make any sense that BM would go into Kaidou's territory to kill Luffy, then to ally herself with him for being afraid of being in Kaidou's territory?

BM's goal is to take revenge on Luffy, who is on his way to Wano. That's why she is going there, not for Wano nor for Kaidou. If Luffy was going somewhere else, she would be going there. It happens so that Wano is currently under the influence of Kaidou, hence why BM gave him the head's up. For some reason people think that one Yonkou can just beat another, but they are all Yonkou, which means the outcome of a fight between them would be unknown and the consequences could have apocalyptic proportions. Hence the importance of their mutual past as despite all their trash-talk, there is room here for them to come to certain terms. Luffy however is the cause of all of this. He is the one who pretty much instigated it all.

 

[Anduril]

More likely that Luffy vs Big Mom and Kaidou. This looks like the most likely scenario at the moment.If that happens I don't see why BB and Shanks would stay out. I mean shanks possibly would not enter the fray but BB would jump at the very chance of it making it into a complete chaos.

 

[Sakazuki]

I can't. The whole reason she supposedly is going to Wano, is to kill Luffy and the reason why she had an argument with Kaidou, is because he wants to do the exact same thing. Makes little sense that either of them would then team up with Luffy to take down the other so that the one remaining could then kill Luffy? This in particular is doubtful for BM as her reputation took a major blow, which wasn't the case for Kaidou.

On top of that we just learned that apparently Kaidou and BM have a history together. Despite their arguing and threats on the phone, this can form a basis for a potential understanding between the two. Honestly said I think that's one of the primary reasons Oda decided to add this plot element as it was rather random to suddenly drop an old connection from 40 years ago between the two Yonkou. Without it however it wouldn't make much sense for those two irrational entities to find a common ground, but with it it definitely is possible.

So to me it seems more likely that Kaidou and BM find some kind of truce/collaboration/non-agression pact/...than either of them with Luffy.

What if akainu forces fujitora to go with kizaru or something like that for not catching sh at dressrosa , but when he gets there, out of the good of his heart. He helps sh take on big and kaido, because I too believe they will form an alliance

 

[Uverdore9]

Big Mom joining forces with Luffy would be quite unheard of, a possibility.

 

[Central]

The reason why there would be another Yonkou in his territory, is because Luffy is there. How does it make any sense that BM would go into Kaidou's territory to kill Luffy, then to ally herself with him for being afraid of being in Kaidou's territory?

BM's goal is to take revenge on Luffy, who is on his way to Wano. That's why she is going there, not for Wano nor for Kaidou. If Luffy was going somewhere else, she would be going there. It happens so that Wano is currently under the influence of Kaidou, hence why BM gave him the head's up. For some reason people think that one Yonkou can just beat another, but they are all Yonkou, which means the outcome of a fight between them would be unknown and the consequences could have apocalyptic proportions. Hence the importance of their mutual past as despite all their trash-talk, there is room here for them to come to certain terms. Luffy however is the cause of all of this. He is the one who pretty much instigated it all.

Would he just turn a blind eye on Big Mom trespassing his territory just to concentrate on Luffy? Doesn't it depend on which type of debt he has toward Big Mom?

If Kaidou, somehow overpowers Big Mom, wouldn't she considerate siding with him, if perhaps, Katakuri suggest her to?

We know that Katakuri now, respect Luffy too, so, I was betting on that.

 

[Caliburn]

Would he just turn a blind eye on Big Mom trespassing his territory just to concentrate on Luffy? Doesn't it depend on which type of debt he has toward Big Mom?

If Kaidou, somehow overpowers Big Mom, wouldn't she considerate siding with him, if perhaps, Katakuri suggest her to?

We know that Katakuri now, respect Luffy too, so, I was betting on that.

It doesn't matter what kind of debt it is, the only thing that matters is that the two have a history together that somehow allows them to reason with each other to a certain degree. The latest chapter proves this as BM called to give Kaidou the heads up that she's coming for Luffy and that she wants to keep this friendly. If this was anyone else, do you think she would have bothered with that? And the fact that Kaidou used as argument that it was a long time ago, indicates it wasn't that small of a debt.

And even if you ignore all of that, again BM is there to kill Luffy because he humiliated her. She being saved by Luffy would only make things far far worse, that's turning everything upside down. Also BM doesn't listen to anyone, that became quite clear from the WCI-arc.

For some reason your premise is that BM is there to take down Kaidou, is severely weaker than him and thus would lose, which would leave her no other option than to ally herself with Luffy, but that's not true. Luffy is the goal, Kaidou is nothing more than an obstacle to reach that goal. How does it make sense that she would use her goal to overcome the obstacle? To side with Luffy, she would have to talk with him and if she can do that, she can kill him. It immediately voids any reason to collaborate.

If your argument is Katakuri, well he isn't BM. BM is the captain, not him. The only scenario that this would ever work, would be when BM is not able to do anything and he decides on his own to ask Luffy for help, in which case this wouldn't be an alliance, but a submission and if BM would be given the chance, she would murder the hell out the both of them as the humiliation she would suffer, would be infinitely greater than the shame of WCI.

 

[Central]

It doesn't matter what kind of debt it is, the only thing that matters is that the two have a history together that somehow allows them to reason with each other to a certain degree. The latest chapter proves this as BM called to give Kaidou the heads up that she's coming for Luffy and that she wants to keep this friendly. If this was anyone else, do you think she would have bothered with that? And the fact that Kaidou used as argument that it was a long time ago, indicates it wasn't that small of a debt.

And even if you ignore all of that, again BM is there to kill Luffy because he humiliated her. She being saved by Luffy would only make things far far worse, that's turning everything upside down. Also BM doesn't listen to anyone, that became quite clear from the WCI-arc.

For some reason your premise is that BM is there to take down Kaidou, is severely weaker than him and thus would lose, which would leave her no other option than to ally herself with Luffy, but that's not true. Luffy is the goal, Kaidou is nothing more than an obstacle to reach that goal. How does it make sense that she would use her goal to overcome the obstacle? To side with Luffy, she would have to talk with him and if she can do that, she can kill him. It immediately voids any reason to collaborate.

If your argument is Katakuri, well he isn't BM. BM is the captain, not him. The only scenario that this would ever work, would be when BM is not able to do anything and he decides on his own to ask Luffy for help, in which case this wouldn't be an alliance, but a submission and if BM would be given the chance, she would murder the hell out the both of them as the humiliation she would suffer, would be infinitely greater than the shame of WCI.

I am not so sure that we should overlook the debt in question, it might be far more important then we are shown.

Dunno? Maybe to avoid conflict with Kaidou?

The only way that I can see Luffy siding, not rescuing, with Big Mom would be the aftermath of their clash. For example, if, like you say Big Mom decide to simply attack and kill Luffy, thus, disregarding Kaido's warning then, she must have a plan to escape if the latter were to attack her.

What I am suggesting was an alliance to take out Kaidou and once that is achieved, both Luffy and Big Mom can clash without any interference.

I know that Luffy is her goal but, still, I doubt Kaido would be all Merry & Happy to see Big Mom trespassing on his territory to kill HIS target. Sure they have the same goal but, so do both have to much ego tounderlook each other to then both go after Luffy.

Doesn't Big Mom trust Katakuri though? :dunno: